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1. MikeTorrez Posted: April 27, 2012 at 09:26 AM (#4117405)Let me see if I understand this... In NY the general manager's job security depends on how the inner circle of media elite view his performance? BTW "softening severe body blows" is just a creepy analogy.
Correct, except you need to account for Campos.
Perhaps this will provide a data point or two for yesterday's discussion about beat reporters not wanting to burn their bridges to inner circle MLB figures by writing harsh screeds about them? The tension is excruciating.
It does to the people who think they are the inner circle media elite.
Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?
Not seeing it, unless the monkeys gouged his eyes out. He doesn't hit with his face.
I don't think that's in the same ballpark as a young pitcher getting hurt. What % of 23 y.o. pitchers suffer career ending or altering injuries before age 28, 50%?
Cashman had to know he was buying into a coin flip, and that decision has to be evaluated in respect to what Montero becomes. If Cashman grossly underestimated Montero's ability (e.g. he becomes a 130 OPS+ C) then he deserves blame.
Cashman's comments at the time of the trade made it pretty clear that he thought Montero could be something special. The problem with pitching is that as fragile as it is, it is also necessary. If you stop trying to acquire pitching because of the injury risk then you are never going to succeed.
If he thought Montero was going to be an elite bat, then it was stupid to make the trade, regardless of Pineda's health or ability. If he thought he was a bat that would be elite at C, but meh at 1B/LF/DH, and he couldn't handle C, then the trade is defensible.
You have to acquire pitching, but you don't have to trade elite prospects to do so. I'm thinking more an more that old, fat, and old and fat pitchers are the way to go.
But the fact that he did get injured shouldn't alter how we judge the trade compared to if he hadn't gotten injured. Unless he had a very violent delivery that was known to be a huge injury risk. Then that one is on Cashman.
Unless he was already injured. Given the 2nd half struggles and velocity drop in 2011, there should have been intense medical due diligence. If there wasn't and the injury was at least somewhat pre-existing, that would be a black mark on Cashman.
But well for the Lions.
Get some fried chicken and beer to Moyer, stat!
I don't see much of a velocity drop according to Fangraphs. Yeah his fastball was plodding in his last start of the season (made on 10 days rest) but the start before that he looks like he maxed out at 97MPH.
The ridiculous part of the Yankees' handling of Pineda's injury to me was that they sent him out on a rehab assignment after only doing an MRI on his shoulder rather than a dye contrast MRI. My understanding is that labrum tears are frequently missed on normal MRIs. That seems like a pretty reckless way to handle such a valuable asset.
An MRI was done before the trade was formally completed and another in late March. Both were clean. But yeah, my understanding is that neither was done with contrast dye.
With the Yankees...
Chacon: 142 IP, 93 ERA+
Small: 103 IP, 94 ERA+
Who?
Maybe Buster Olney?
What? how ####### often can that possibly occur?
Are you referencing those who are allergic to iodine or the frequency of CT scans?
Though MRI contrast (gadolinium) is safer than the CT contrast, there are still some risks associated with the injection. The most common side effects include:
Allergic reaction
Flushing/redness
Hives
Blood clots
Dizziness
Shortness of breath
Chacon: 142 IP, 93 ERA+
Small: 103 IP, 94 ERA+
We (as in Red Sox fans) only care about what they did in 2005.
So that's the problem with the Mets' medical staff.
I'm more interested in the % of 23 y.o. pitchers who suffer career-ending injuries AFTER age 28.
Uhh...except when it came to the New Yankee Stadium dimensions.
But they have Russell Martin, who Girardi loves.
This trade was a problem because not only did Cashman have to win on talent, but he had to take the chance that Pineda didn't get hurt. That Pineda did get hurt highlights the risk that Cashman took.
Maybe the frequency with which you go in for CT scans, you raging drama-queen hypochondriac who's driving health-care & insurance costs up all by your lonesome.
Repent, you selfish monster!
Mike Remlinger once had to go on the disabled list due to an allergic reaction to an MRI dye.
Because it's a hitting prospect versus a pitching prospect? Off the top of my head, there are two deals that are pretty similar to this one in recent years. The Hamilton for Volquez was a win for the Rangers in large part because of Volquez's injury issues (although, Hamilton has been injury prone as well). On the other hand, the Rays made out like bandits when they got Garza for Delmon Young. The latter, at one point, had been the biggest positional prospect in baseball a year or two before the deal.
Yes. With the hitter you're basically only taking talent/development risk; there are very few career-ending injuries to hitters. With the pitcher you face the same talent/development risk, and add a huge injury risk factor as well.
Ha! Don't knock the consumption of two liters of berry-flavored barium in less than an hour unless you've tried it.
I didn't recall that about Young but, yes, scanning Baseball Prospectus's player comments for him over the years, yes, they (to pick one example that's easy to research) were insanely high about him from the outset. And have continued to be more high on him than is deserved. WAR has him at 0 for his career -- what little he provides in offense as a league-average-hitting corner OF, he gives up with (at least according to WAR) horrible defense.
The thing is at the time of the deal, while Young was still very, er, young, he had never really shown the ability to walk. Garza meanwhile had started to show real promise. BP comments that Garza and the organization clashed a little over pitch selection and roster decisions, and that that was likely one of the reasons why the Twins traded him. I don't know.
Ok... scanning Young's complete minor and major league record, why were people _so_ high on him? I don't have his MLEs... He seems to have handled AA and AAA at ages 19 and 20, but he didn't show much plate discipline; he didn't flop in the majors at 20/21, which is a very good sign, but to me it all points to nice prospect with questions about plate discipline -- not uber-prospect.
Because his big (and I mean BIG) brother Dmitri was smashing them outta the park so they figgerd it runs in the family.
Terrific tools, great ARL, and he could knock the crap out of the ball when he made contact (which was often.) I remember hearing reports that his character had started to sour once he became friends with Elijah Dukes in AAA. There was a lot going on there.
The Rays left an obviously ready (that was the popular conception) Young in AAA at the start of 06. Then he had an incident with an umpire, which most believed to be a result of frustration with still being in the minors. Young acquitted himself well in 06-07, but seemed to stall out after that.
My honest guess is that Young's makeup has hampered his development. If/when he ever gets his head screwed on straight, he could well come out of nowhere and post a repeat of his 2010 or even more.
But like Jeff Francoeur, the lack of plate discipline keeps his OBP anchored close to his batting average, such that even in the best of seasons - if all goes right - and given that he doesn't have jaw dropping power - he can really only contribute a 120 OPS+.
Nothing wrong with that, of course, but if it's the best you can hope for if all breaks right - and if things don't go well you've got a pretty useless player - it's time to look for other options.
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