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Tuesday, November 10, 2009

Ralph Kiner was a pilot before a Pirate

On Sunday, Dec. 7, 1941, I was a 19-year-old playing in a semipro game in Pasadena, Calif., not far from where I grew up. It was a game just like any other, until we heard the shocking news that the Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor. Upon hearing about the attack, we all immediately said the same thing: You can’t do that to this country! The next day, instead of playing baseball, I went and enlisted in the United States Navy. It happened that fast.

I wasn’t required to report right away, so I spent the first half of 1942 playing for Toronto in the International League. But then in June, I was called to report for duty. I was to begin training in the Naval aviation program immediately. Almost all of my fellow ballplayers who enlisted had signed up for the Army, but something about the challenges of becoming a pilot really intrigued me.

The program was extensive and difficult. We were required to challenge both our minds and our bodies, as the curriculum required just as much studying as physical training. We had to study for months before we were allowed anywhere near an airplane. And when we finally did get to fly, we mainly just learned how to get the plane up and down without crashing. It was a heck of a primary objective.

From there, we had to do more studying before we could really learn to fly. I was sent to St. Mary’s, a college in California that was a national football power under the great coach Slip Madigan. But during World War II, the college was taken over by the Navy as a place to train pilots. We did a lot of mechanical and flight study there, and I met a few other ballplayers who were also stationed at St. Mary’s. Baseball legend and future Hall of Famer Charlie Gehringer was one of my instructors, and Dodgers great Cookie Lavagetto used to be in charge of passing out equipment. We didn’t play much baseball, though. In fact, in the two-and-a-half years I served, I played in only 12 games.

Gamingboy Posted: November 10, 2009 at 01:50 PM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Cabbage Posted: November 10, 2009 at 04:20 PM (#3383990)
And when we finally did get to fly, we mainly just learned how to get the plane up and down without crashing. It was a heck of a primary objective.

It really was. Not that I was there or anything, but it was a very difficult job. Learning to fly today, which is an interesting little challenge, is vastly different from back then.

Of course, that's why no one really dies flying today. Bully to those kids.
   2. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: November 10, 2009 at 04:26 PM (#3383997)
It really was. Not that I was there or anything, but it was a very difficult job. Learning to fly today, which is an interesting little challenge, is vastly different from back then.


Yes. During the war, we lost far more pilots to training accidents than to combat losses. Something like (IIRC) three to one.

Today's simulators are so good, one can be proficient before ever setting foot in the actual airplane.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 10, 2009 at 04:32 PM (#3384003)
Ralph Kiner was a pilot before a Pirate

So was Jerry McNertney. He was also a White Sock and a Cardinal.
   4. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 10, 2009 at 05:08 PM (#3384032)
I thought Seattle came in the league well after Kiner retired.
   5. Cabbage Posted: November 10, 2009 at 05:23 PM (#3384043)
Today's simulators are so good, one can be proficient before ever setting foot in the actual airplane.

Yeah, but you never really get the feel for toeing the flirting/sexual harassment line with the Flight Attendants until you're on the line.
   6. asinwreck Posted: November 10, 2009 at 05:52 PM (#3384058)
Thanks to ESPN for running this story.
   7. Swoboda is freedom Posted: November 10, 2009 at 06:11 PM (#3384070)
My grandfather and great uncle were naval aviators (as they always called it) during WWII. My great uncle said the scariest part was landing on the deck of the aircraft carrier. He said he was terrified the first time he did it. Then he said, try doing it at night.
   8. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 10, 2009 at 10:19 PM (#3384297)
And when we finally did get to fly, we mainly just learned how to get the plane up and down without crashing. It was a heck of a primary objective.

It really was. Not that I was there or anything, but it was a very difficult job. Learning to fly today, which is an interesting little challenge, is vastly different from back then.

Of course, that's why no one really dies flying today. Bully to those kids.


Not only that, when Kiner garduated from flight school and was flying combat patrols in the South Pacific, he was flying PBY and PBM flying boats, large twin-engined aircraft took off and landed on water. They required a lot of skill to fly.

During the war, we lost far more pilots to training accidents than to combat losses. Something like (IIRC) three to one.


That's not actually true, although we did lose a lot of pilots to accidents. I don't have the exact figures for the Navy, in which Kiner flew, but for the Army Air Forces, the number of men who died overseas in combat was 40,061, and the number who died in the continental US in training accidents was 14,903. Nevertheless, as I noted, that's an awful lot of pilots killed in training accidets.
   9. Cblau Posted: November 11, 2009 at 04:34 AM (#3384648)
It was in fact in 1943 that Kiner started playing for Toronto, and then went into the military. So, did it take a year and a half for the Navy to call him into service?
   10. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: November 11, 2009 at 04:44 AM (#3384651)
It was in fact in 1943 that Kiner started playing for Toronto, and then went into the military. So, did it take a year and a half for the Navy to call him into service?

He had a "lost year" that he spent whacked out on peyote.
   11. Slivers of Maranville (SdeB) Posted: November 11, 2009 at 04:53 AM (#3384654)
So his nursery maid got it right after all?

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