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Ramirez not under federal investigation; friend dropped his name hoping to avoid arrest

A friend of former Red Sox first baseman Hanley Ramirez dropped his name in an effort to avoid arrest while transporting fentanyl from New York to Massachusetts in April, then immediately admitted the player had no connection to the drugs, according to documents filed in US District Court in Boston.

Ramirez is not under federal investigation and has not been linked to any drug ring, according to several people with direct knowledge of the case. The 34-year-old has been a free agent since the Red Sox released him on June 1.

Jim Furtado Posted: June 24, 2018 at 10:59 PM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 24, 2018 at 11:05 PM (#5698950)
Ah, nice to hear Hanley's best mates have his back. This is what good friends do; dob you in when you aren't even guilty.

   2. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 24, 2018 at 11:34 PM (#5698963)
Quite a difference from the original reporting, but we can't be too careful here. Drug tests for the Red Sox, stat!
   3. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 24, 2018 at 11:38 PM (#5698966)
George Mitchell Budshoviks etc...

It's a weird story. When I first heard it I figured there had to be more to it than the reporting. I mean "no this isn't mine, it belongs to this other guy...yeah, Hanley Ramirez, he was the guy. Let me give him a call." When I was a kid my friends and I would always give the name "Dave Kopec" if some adult caught us running around in the late hours. Dave was a nice kid but hey, better to blame someone else.

Hanley grew on me during his Boston tenure. I sincerely hope there is nothing to all of this. He may not be a useful player any more but he seems like a guy who has grown up a lot and was truly enjoying his time with the Sox.
   4. Chicago Joe Posted: June 25, 2018 at 02:03 AM (#5698977)
So, Clapper?
   5. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: June 25, 2018 at 06:47 AM (#5698985)
George Mitchell Budshoviks etc...


I stand by every word. It’s good to see a Ramirez cleared in a real investigation for once.
   6. Adam Starblind Posted: June 25, 2018 at 07:00 AM (#5698986)
It feels like a reporter interested in reporting could have located these court documents before writing a story that Hanley Ramirez was running a drug ring.
   7. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:02 AM (#5699006)
Ex-friend
   8. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:07 AM (#5699007)
Yeah, dunno what's up with that initial ABC report. I'm sure karlmagnus sees this as proof that it was John Henry's smear all along.
   9. karlmagnus Posted: June 25, 2018 at 09:33 AM (#5699022)
Of course I do. Not that the MSM has a lot of credibility anyway in my eyes, but their wacko politics shouldn't lead them to smear Hanley without some help.
   10. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5699077)
What appears to have happened here is that reporter Michele McPhee, who has made a career out of having sources in Massachusetts law enforcement and writing true crime books about notorious murders in Massachusetts, got some information from Massachusetts law enforcement which would later turn out to be somewhat exaggerated, and figured the best way to report it to the public was to call in to The Matty & Nick Show. What any of this has to do with the Boston Globe, John Henry, or the wacko politics of the MSM is unclear.

She does work for ABC but I don't think there was ever an ABC report. I don't think there was ever a story written accusing Hanley either, aside from places like Deadspin and NY Post summarizing the radio appearance.
   11. jmurph Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:22 AM (#5699085)
Hmmm, I don't know Crispix, can I still blame George Mitchell?
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:27 AM (#5699090)
John Henry controls The Matty & Nick Show, ABC, Deadspin, the Mass State Police, George Mitchell, Fentanyl distribution across New England, and the entirety of the MSM. Amassing such power and control only illustrates how much of an incompetent failure he is.
   13. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:30 AM (#5699091)
Not that the MSM has a lot of credibility anyway in my eyes, but their wacko politics shouldn't lead them to smear Hanley without some help.


Man. When the Deep Statz comes after Hanley, you know America just not yet great again. Wait. No. Hanley is pigmented with an -ez last name. This can't be right.
   14. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5699093)
Amassing such power and control only illustrates how much of an incompetent failure he is.


No no, he didn't amass power, it was given to him by Bud Selig, George Mitchell and Bowie Kuhn. See, he IS a failure but gets bailed out by his Budshovik friends so he appears successful. It's why the Sox actually have a very small payroll but it gets reported as very high to make Henry look good.
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5699094)
You're mixing trolls! AAAuuughhhh!
   16. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5699100)
It's okay to mix trolls and kidnap children if we get the right judicial nominees!
   17. Tin Angel Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:41 AM (#5699102)
Jokes aside, this is a great example of how poor the media/journalism can be. For three or four days now there have been stories about "Ramirez behind fentanyl ring" and "Red Sox released Ramirez when they found out," etc. And it turns out he had absolutely nothing to do with this. I can't even understand how it escalated to this unless a cop gave a "journalist" a bad tip or something and he ran with it before verifying it with anyone else. Pathetic.
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5699103)
For three or four days now there have been stories about "Ramirez behind fentanyl ring" and "Red Sox released Ramirez when they found out," etc.
But were there actually any media reports that said those things?
   19. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5699104)
Jokes aside, this is a great example of how poor the media/journalism can be.


Your local rag's sports team is generally comprised of either 1) hacks paid poorly, and mostly in drink and free food at the parks, to regurgitate team friendly talking points on demand, and/or 2) Twitter trolls chasing the juiciest thing that might get them 10 minutes on TMZ-Sports. That's not journalism.
   20. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: June 25, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5699123)
Jokes aside, this is a great example of how poor the media/journalism can be. For three or four days now there have been stories about "Ramirez behind fentanyl ring" and "Red Sox released Ramirez when they found out," etc. And it turns out he had absolutely nothing to do with this. I can't even understand how it escalated to this unless a cop gave a "journalist" a bad tip or something and he ran with it before verifying it with anyone else. Pathetic.


That's exactly what I was talking about in 10. The "journalist" in question is Michele McPhee. And like Nasty Nate said, I believe there weren't any other media reports. Just a million "stories" that were all the same thing, saying "This story about Hanley Ramirez was reported on the radio Friday. More details to come probably."

Final note, Michele McPhee isn't a sports reporter. The Matty & Nick Show isn't a sports show, it's all-purpose chat about all topics of interest to Massholes. Most of these complaints about the media are the wrong complaints about the wrong type of media.
   21. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: June 25, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5699125)
Finally, for the bizarro world Karlmagnus, please enjoy "Turtleboysports" explaining that the Boston Globe and the Red Sox are cowardly REFUSING to smear the clearly guilty Hanley Ramirez, because they are embarrassed that a REAL journalist managed to uncover this obviously true story that Red Sox State Media was covering up.
   22. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: June 25, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5699155)
I like that Turtleboy guy arguing that it's inexplicable that a team would release a 1B/DH coming off a 93 OPS+ season when he starts with 200 PAs of 89 OPS+. (His third negative WAR season in his last four.)
   23. Batman Posted: June 25, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5699198)
Strange that it didn't work. I mention Hanley Ramirez's name all the time and I've never been arrested for fentanyl.
   24. villageidiom Posted: June 25, 2018 at 03:11 PM (#5699284)
Strange that it didn't work. I mention Hanley Ramirez's name all the time and I've never been arrested for fentanyl.
Next time, try it with possession of Fentanyl.
   25. Zach Posted: June 25, 2018 at 04:43 PM (#5699364)
Jokes aside, this is a great example of how poor the media/journalism can be. For three or four days now there have been stories about "Ramirez behind fentanyl ring" and "Red Sox released Ramirez when they found out," etc. And it turns out he had absolutely nothing to do with this.

I dunno about that.

If you were fact checking that story, what would you check?
1) Does the guy know Ramirez?
2) Is he really involved in the drug trade? Is he talking about his own experiences, or is it just hearsay?
3) Is there some abnormal inducement to lie or reason to suspect he's lying?

Here the stories are based on a personal friend of Ramirez, caught with fentanyl in his possession, who volunteered Ramirez's name to law enforcement. Now he's telling a different story, so #3 comes into play more directly.

   26. villageidiom Posted: June 25, 2018 at 06:06 PM (#5699412)
Here the stories are based on a personal friend of Ramirez, caught with fentanyl in his possession, who volunteered Ramirez's name to law enforcement. Now he's telling a different story, so #3 comes into play more directly.


Order of events, according to TFA:

1. Police get tipped the guy was carrying cocaine.

2. Police pull him over.

3. Police ask to search the car, and the guy agrees.

4. Police see a closed box, and ask permission to open it. Guy refuses, saying it belongs to Hanley.

5. Guy FaceTimes Hanley to get him to vouch for the box being his. He says he wasn't aware it was, and gives his consent for the box to be opened.

6. Box is opened, and fentanyl is found (in the same quantity as the cocaine the tipper said he was carrying).

7. Guy says the box isn't Hanley's.


From what I can tell there are multiple ways to interpret these events, but these are the two most prominent in my mind.

a) Hanley is completely innocent. Guy tried to have Hanley vouch for him to get him out of having to reveal what was in the box. After Hanley didn't vouch for him - why would Hanley tell the police the box was his if he didn't know what was in there? - the guy felt bad for implicating Hanley in the fentanyl possession and recanted that part of the story.

b) The box was intended for Hanley, and Hanley knew it. The guy wanted Hanley to say yes it's his box, don't touch it. Hanley didn't - why would Hanley tell police the box was his if he knew what was in there? - and the guy knew he was in deep ####. Knowing he'd be in deeper #### with his bosses if he maintained it was Hanley's, he recanted that part of the story.

To me, a) is far more plausible, but only because of the recanted story, not because Hanley said it wasn't his. Of course he said it wasn't his. But the recantation makes more sense to me in a).
   27. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 25, 2018 at 06:19 PM (#5699419)

If you were fact checking that story, what would you check?
1) Does the guy know Ramirez?
2) Is he really involved in the drug trade? Is he talking about his own experiences, or is it just hearsay?
3) Is there some abnormal inducement to lie or reason to suspect he's lying?


How about

4) whether the police were actually investigating Ramirez
5) whether this had anything to do with the Red Sox releasing him

   28. HOLLA(R) Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:08 PM (#5699603)
But how does this affect his hair?
   29. Zach Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5699616)
To me, a) is far more plausible, but only because of the recanted story, not because Hanley said it wasn't his. Of course he said it wasn't his. But the recantation makes more sense to me in a).

Oh, I agree. But it's not bad journalism to quote a participant talking about events where they're a direct witness.

In the normal course of events, you would be more inclined to believe the first story the guy told rather than the story his lawyer circulates after telling him to shut up.

4) whether the police were actually investigating Ramirez
5) whether this had anything to do with the Red Sox releasing him


Fair enough. I haven't been following the story, so I don't know whether they asked those organisations to comment.
   30. Zach Posted: June 25, 2018 at 11:37 PM (#5699618)
While troopers were transporting the man back to the State Police barracks in Sturbridge after arresting him, the man said he was “trying to make some extra money by taking the drugs to Lawrence, and that he did not know who the drugs were for,” according to the affidavit.

Later he told police that “he had found a box containing the drugs outside of a building in the Bronx and stolen it,” then repackaged the drugs, put them in the box and was driving them to Lawrence to look for a buyer.


So now there are at least three versions of the story:
1) He was transporting the box for Ramirez
2) He was transporting the box for persons unknown.
3) He stole the drugs and was selling them for his own profit.

It's noteworthy that stories 2 and 3 have the guy knowing nothin' about nobody. I wonder who's paying for his lawyer? (Not an insinuation -- it would be interesting to know.)
   31. Howie Menckel Posted: June 26, 2018 at 12:07 AM (#5699625)
Jokes aside, this is a great example of how poor the media/journalism can be.

if only the public had decided it still was worth paying for journalism, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.

"I don't need to buy the paper, I get all the news I need for free on Facebook."

yes, yes you do. and good luck with that.

don't murder your parents and then come crying to the judge because you are an orphan.

me, I skipped town before the gunmen arrived - so I'm good. but we reap what we sew.
   32. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: June 26, 2018 at 08:00 AM (#5699653)
5) whether this had anything to do with the Red Sox releasing him


It doesn't seem like it did with a caveat. The Sox DFAd Hanley on May 25, the stop and phone call took place on May 30. Now in fairness the Sox officially released Hanley on June 1. That was pretty much viewed as fait accompli the moment he was DFAd. The timing of the DFA was due to Dustin Pedroia's return but Pedroia only played 3 games with the last being on May 29. You can probably make a case that the Sox might've brought Hanley back and disabled Pedroia but I think that's unlikely. I think once Hanley was DFAd he was done with the Sox.
   33. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 26, 2018 at 08:59 AM (#5699668)
if only the public had decided it still was worth paying for journalism, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.

"I don't need to buy the paper, I get all the news I need for free on Facebook."

yes, yes you do. and good luck with that.

don't murder your parents and then come crying to the judge because you are an orphan.


Absolutely agree.

I say that with two actual physical newspapers next me as I eat finish breakfast.
   34. SandyRiver Posted: June 26, 2018 at 09:14 AM (#5699671)
I like that Turtleboy guy arguing that it's inexplicable that a team would release a 1B/DH coming off a 93 OPS+ season when he starts with 200 PAs of 89 OPS+. (His third negative WAR season in his last four.)

And it was actually even worse. On April 14 Hanley was hitting .362 with slash .415/.617/1.032, in 53 PA. From there until the DFA, his 142 PA included a .215 BA and slash of .289/.315/.604, with 8 GDP and a charming 0-for-20 streak to end things. How stupid/evil were the Red Sox in not wishing to buy another year of that for just $22 million, or some such?

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