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Wednesday, June 17, 2009

Rany on the Royals: Are the Royals in the Wrong League?

I thought this was going to about the Royals possible joining the Pacific Coast League.

The fact is that with tonight’s convincing win against the Diamondbacks, the Royals are now 47-32 against NL teams since the start of the 2005 season, a .595 winning percentage, while playing just 244-388 (.386) against AL teams in that span.  The odds that a team with a “true” winning percentage of .386 would actually win 47 out of 79 games is .00014, or about one in seven thousand. And while the Royals are probably the most dramatic example of AL teams beating up on NL competition, they are far from the only ones….

Looking to the future, while it’s possible and maybe even likely that the AL will maintain its dominance, from the Royals’ standpoint the question of which league is superior is a lesser concern than which division is superior. While a wild-card entry to the postseason is certainly nice – and a more likely outcome in the Yankee and Red Sox-free National League – the Royals’ best hope for a playoff spot is to win their division. Aside from the fact that the NL Central is the only division in baseball with six teams, there’s an even more compelling reason to think that going forward, the Royals will be better off staying in the AL Central.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 17, 2009 at 06:10 PM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Smyly Smile (Walewander) Posted: June 17, 2009 at 06:40 PM (#3222498)
Yeah, AA seems more their speed.

HEY-O
   2. McCoy Posted: June 17, 2009 at 06:42 PM (#3222504)
So one of the worst AL teams of recent history has one of the better interleague records and the odds are long but they don't think that it is quite possible that the interleague record isn't an accurate representation of their level of play or their opponents?
   3. Urban Bovine Knievel Posted: June 17, 2009 at 07:18 PM (#3222555)
Wale, we don't need to start this over here, do we?
   4. The Pequod Posted: June 17, 2009 at 08:01 PM (#3222612)
Hey, how about climbing out of fourth place in the worst division in baseball* first?

* Yeah, you could argue that the difference between the leagues means the AL Central isn't the worst division in baseball, but the general point still stands: the AL East it ain't.
   5. Obi One Kenobi Nil Posted: June 17, 2009 at 08:48 PM (#3222688)
the diamondbacks this year are shitty.
   6. SteveF Posted: June 17, 2009 at 10:52 PM (#3222815)
As of June 17th, these are the run differentials of the various divisions:

AL East +148
AL Central -19
AL West -30

NL East -95
NL Central +9
NL West -13

By this metric, the NL East is the worst division in baseball. The gap between the AL East and every other division is pretty wide.
   7. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM (#3222817)
That's almost all the Nationals, although I guess the other 4 teams in the division would be worse if they didn't get to play them.
   8. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: June 17, 2009 at 11:05 PM (#3222823)
NL Central is second, who would have thought?
   9. Tripon Posted: June 17, 2009 at 11:06 PM (#3222825)
Which is the division that the Royals would enter.
   10. Petuniaviles Posted: June 18, 2009 at 01:17 AM (#3223007)
I'd rather have the same number of teams in every division and accept the consequence of having some interleague play pretty much all the time. Move the Brewers back to the AL. If the Royals have to go to the NL per Jazayerli, bring the Nats across to the AL to balance them out. They are just pawns in the game of life anyhow.

Nats to the AL East, Toronto to the AL Central, Pittsburgh to the NL East, Royals to the NL Central, and... stick the Brewers in the AL West. Screw 'em. Why not.
   11. RJ in TO Posted: June 18, 2009 at 01:18 AM (#3223009)
Nats to the AL East, Toronto to the AL Central, Pittsburgh to the NL East, Royals to the NL Central, and... stick the Brewers in the AL West. Screw 'em. Why not.


After having to deal with both the Red Sox and Yankees, and the rise of Tampa Bay, I love this idea.
   12. Petuniaviles Posted: June 18, 2009 at 06:37 AM (#3223170)
I think other AL East fans would also be more than happy to replace the rising Jays with a patsy like we're supposed to have (like the O's and Rays used to be). So it's a win-win, since as far as I can tell, the AL East is the only division in baseball anyone follows, right?
   13. Hugh Jorgan Posted: June 18, 2009 at 06:51 AM (#3223175)
since as far as I can tell, the AL East is the only division in baseball anyone follows, right?

Well I don't really follow it, the Sox will get their 95 wins and every thing else just kind of fills around that....
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: June 18, 2009 at 07:54 AM (#3223185)
since as far as I can tell, the AL East is the only division in baseball anyone follows, right?

there are other divisions? does ESPN know this?
   15. Jonk Posted: June 18, 2009 at 07:20 PM (#3223761)
Move the Brewers back to the AL ... stick the Brewers in the AL West. Screw 'em. Why not.
Why so hostile to the Brewers? What did we Brewers fans ever do to you?

Also, anybody know why the pecking order back in 1997 was first choice to Kansas City, second to Milwaukee, third to Minnesota? Just curious how the Royals supposedly got first choice...although I've always suspected that was just a front and that the Brewers were pegged for it all along.
   16. Tripon Posted: June 18, 2009 at 07:27 PM (#3223769)
You know, we can just get rid of divisions in the first place and just pick the best 4 teams in each league.
   17. The Essex Snead Posted: June 18, 2009 at 07:39 PM (#3223791)
there are other divisions? does ESPN know this?

I'm pretty sure they know about that team Manny plays for. That one over there. No, the other one, with the thing.
   18. strong silence Posted: June 18, 2009 at 07:45 PM (#3223807)
You know, we can just get rid of divisions in the first place and just pick the best 4 teams in each league.

Agree. But fans want their rivalries more than they want the highest quality postseason. One day...
   19. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 18, 2009 at 07:53 PM (#3223821)

Also, anybody know why the pecking order back in 1997 was first choice to Kansas City, second to Milwaukee, third to Minnesota? Just curious how the Royals supposedly got first choice...although I've always suspected that was just a front and that the Brewers were pegged for it all along.


As I understand it, Selig wanted the Brewers to move, but thought it would look bad if the commissioner's team was the first one offered the NL slot. So they went through the motions of offering it to the Royals; I don't know if there was ever any chance of Kansas City actually switching leagues.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 18, 2009 at 07:58 PM (#3223837)
Just curious how the Royals supposedly got first choice.

What Tom said. And David Glass was very close with Bud Selig, and this was at a time when the Royals were still owned by a non-profit trust set up by Ewing Kauffman and looking for an owner, so maybe they thought that choice would make it a more attractive franchise?

In any case, I don't think it was given much consideration. I certainly don't recall a lot of discussion in KC at the time, although there does seem to be a lot of people here now that think it was bad to stay in the AL. Curiously, those people were quite silent all those years the AL Central was called "Comedy Central."
   21. Zach Posted: June 18, 2009 at 08:20 PM (#3223887)
The trouble with the AL isn't the AL Central, it's that the wild card is going to go to some powerhouse from the AL East. In the last five postseasons, the NL wild card has averaged 89.6 wins. The AL wild card has averaged 95.4. Those extra five wins make it hard to occupy the 85-90 win niche. (Not that I wouldn't be thrilled with 85-90 wins.)
   22. ValueArb Posted: June 19, 2009 at 05:08 AM (#3224558)
The fact is that with tonight’s convincing win against the Diamondbacks, the Royals are now 47-32 against NL teams since the start of the 2005 season,


47-34 now Rany, and that Pythag is taking a beating...
   23. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: June 19, 2009 at 05:12 AM (#3224559)
Giving up 12 runs two nights in a row will do that to a team.
Thankfully the Royals got to face some of AZ's relievers
That helped spark up the offense a little bit

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