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Monday, July 16, 2012

Ratto: A’s postseason begins now

My Colon cannonballs don’t work in the playoffs!

It was the end of a stretch of good baseball in Oakland under what people would call the Moneyball Era and the beginning of five years of dull, tedious, slow-witted impermanent treacle. Some will call it the Bob Geren Era, but that’s the lazy way out. It was an organization-wide malaise, made worse by the energyless pining for a stadium they seem to want handed to them by people who don’t care whether they get anything at all.

And now, twelve days – two with Texas, four with New York, three at Toronto, three at Baltimore. Twelve days for Beane to decide if this cohesive and entertaining group of players is skilled enough to hold together for the 61 games after that.

They are 46-43, tied for sixth with Detroit and Tampa Bay, a half-game behind the faltering Orioles for the second wild-card spot and three behind the second-place – well, fourth-place Angels for the purposes of this discussion.

...They will influence whether Beane is enamored enough of his seat-of-the-pants creation to hold it together for a stretch run that might not come – or turn it into another bazaar for the worthies, sending Coco Crisp here, and Bartolo Colon there, and Johnny Gomes and Seth Smith and Brandon McCarthy other places for a haul of prospects, most of whom tend to disappear or get turned into other prospects down the road.

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   1. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: July 16, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4184002)
They will influence whether Beane is enamored enough of his seat-of-the-pants creation to hold it together for a stretch run that might not come – or turn it into another bazaar for the worthies, sending Coco Crisp here, and Bartolo Colon there, and Johnny Gomes and Seth Smith and Brandon McCarthy other places for a haul of prospects, most of whom tend to disappear or get turned into other prospects down the road.

That is an impressively terrible sentence.
pants / stretch / bazaar / haul / down the road / whaaaaaaaa?
   2. bob gee Posted: July 16, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4184018)
bill madden, sunday's (2 days ago) daily news:

"Even with the best ERA in the AL, Oakland is still as far away from the postseason as they are to San Jose. And so Beane can be expected to try and execute a couple of more veterans-for-prospects deals, with outfielder Coco Crisp, reliever Grant Balfour and righty Brandon McCarthy, especially, figuring to reap decent returns."

obviously the a's are in the wild card hunt, but i'd love to know who would consider giving anything of value for coco crisp.
   3. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 16, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4184027)
obviously the a's are in the wild card hunt, but i'd love to know who would consider giving anything of value for coco crisp.

The answer is...NO ONE!

I would hate to see McCarthy go. Pay the man, Billy.
   4. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: July 16, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4184045)
I would hate to see McCarthy go. Pay the man, Billy.

Also, this.
McCarthy's stick-figure drawing tweet after he made the A's rotation last year pretty much made me a fan for life.
   5. Guapo Posted: July 16, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4184069)
If the World Series was A's vs. Pittsburgh- who would you root for?
   6. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 16, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4184072)
If the World Series was A's vs. Pittsburgh- who would you root for?

Are you ####### crazy? I would root for a nuclear attack on Pittsburgh even though my brother is living there now. #### Pittsburgh. May they cry so many tears they rename it 4-Rivers Stadium. LET'S GO OAK-LAND!
   7. A triple short of the cycle Posted: July 16, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4184104)
Are there any starting shortstops who are potentially available in trade? I know the Braves just traded for a guy. Shortstop and third base are (AS USUAL) where the A's need to upgrade.
   8. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 16, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4184191)
Marco Scutaro is hitting more like Mark Portugal this year, and nobody knows why the Rockies traded for him so it's possible he is very valuable to them in some mysterious way, but I would hazard a guess that he's available.

Alternately, I would like to see the A's trade for Hanley Ramirez.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: July 16, 2012 at 05:08 PM (#4184196)
i'd love to know who would consider giving anything of value for coco crisp.

Alfonso Soriano is available.

Are there any starting shortstops who are potentially available in trade? I know the Braves just traded for a guy

Well, the Braves just traded for Paul Janish who the Reds had at AAA and who has a 58 OPS+ in about 1000 ML PAs. So I think the answer to the SS question is no.

3B doesn't look much better near as I can tell. Chris Johnson maybe as he's gotten himself all the way up to a 94 OPS+ this year and 96 career. I assume the A's have no interest in Hanley's salary.

Things I didn't know until I poked around. Austin Jackson has maintained his great start, hitting 323/405/538 -- that's good for nearly as many WAR as Darwin Barney! And Aramis Ramirez has overcome his terrible start and is up to a 115 OPS+.

   10. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 16, 2012 at 05:09 PM (#4184197)
Francisco Soriano is available.
   11. Willie Mayspedester Posted: July 16, 2012 at 05:18 PM (#4184203)
Is Oakland native Jimmy Rollins available?

If the A's pick up all the salary what would it take to get him? Pennington played 2B in the minors so he could be the utility IF behind Weeks and Rollins.

SS Rollins
LF Smith
RF Reddick
CF Cespedes
1B Moss / Carter
DH Gomes / Carter
C Norris / Suzuki
3B Inge
2B Weeks

That lineup might have a puncher's chance at the Wild Card
   12. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: July 16, 2012 at 06:14 PM (#4184239)
the main question is who can the A's afford?
   13. JJ1986 Posted: July 16, 2012 at 06:30 PM (#4184252)
Jed Lowrie was available but he's now broken again. Stephen Drew could probably be had.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: July 16, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4184342)
I'd forgotten about Rollins.

But Pennington isn't a guy I would worry much about. Until this year, he's hit like an average starting SS (OPS+ of 90) so given you can only plug so many holes, he's not one I'd be looking to plug. Chances are he (and Rollins I suppose) outhit Inge and probably Weeks for the last 10 weeks.

How would you feel about rolling the dice on Soto?
   15. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:04 PM (#4184470)
I bet Eric chavez is available.

(i'd give my left nut for chavvy to lead Oakland to the world series a decade after he was supposed to.)
   16. The District Attorney Posted: July 16, 2012 at 11:15 PM (#4184475)
CBS Sports, discussing Rollins-to-Dodgers rumors:
The Phillies gave Rollins a three-year, $33 million contract in December, when his only other real offer was from the Brewers. The Phillies thought then that it was crucial to keep Rollins, but they've been disappointed by his play this year, and thought he could have done more to get them through the difficult times when both Chase Utley and Ryan Howard were on the disabled list.
Baffling why he can't just decide "hey, I need to play better now!" Anyway, I guess he might be available.
   17. Steve Treder Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:25 AM (#4184512)
(i'd give my left nut for chavvy to lead Oakland to the world series a decade after he was supposed to.)

That's noble of you, but I've always wondered: who in the hell would possibly want your left nut? (And why is it always your "left" nut anyway? What's the particular issue regarding your right nut?) I mean, is this really that big of a bargaining chip?
   18. Cooper Nielson Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:37 AM (#4184517)
I bet Eric chavez is available.

(i'd give my left nut for chavvy to lead Oakland to the world series a decade after he was supposed to.)


This would be one of the strangest and most beautiful things ever. But Chavez is quietly having a very nice year, and I think he's presently too valuable to the Yankees for them to trade.
   19. SoSH U at work Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:39 AM (#4184519)
That's noble of you, but I've always wondered: who in the hell would possibly want your left nut?


John Kruk?

For the record, I'd be perfectly willing to fork over either one of Ernest's testicles for a good deadline pickup for my favorite club.
   20. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: July 17, 2012 at 12:48 AM (#4184522)
(i'd give my left nut for chavvy to lead Oakland to the world series a decade after he was supposed to.)

For the record, I'd be perfectly willing to fork over either one of Ernest's testicles for a good deadline pickup for my favorite club.

I, too, would sacrifice either or both of Ernest's nuts in such a noble cause.
   21. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:15 AM (#4184535)
I'm left-nutted, so it would be a big deal for me. Ymmv.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: July 17, 2012 at 03:04 AM (#4184551)
Yikes, Rollins is on a 3-year contract? Not really on the A's radar then.
   23. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: July 17, 2012 at 05:34 AM (#4184562)
Rollins would fit right in with the Sheets/Crisp/Matsui/Piazza FA crapfest that has come to Oakland. $11MM per year is actually reasonable, but I'm not sure it's a meaningful improvement at SS. Pennington may be having a bad year, but it looks BABIP-driven.
   24. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: July 17, 2012 at 10:41 AM (#4184746)
I hear Chase Headley is available
   25. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4184764)
I hear Chase Headley is available

I wonder what it would cost, because he'd be just about perfect.
   26. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4184939)
Maybe the left nut is more valuable because it normally hangs lower? and I dont think I would give either nut at this point for Eric Chavez
   27. Poster Nutbag Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4184940)
You don't want the right one....trust me....

Anyways...Headley is the answer!!!!!
   28. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 17, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4184959)
You don't want the right one....trust me....

You have a whole bag, what do you care?
   29. Poster Nutbag Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:03 PM (#4185017)
You have a whole bag, what do you care?


THAT'S exactly why you take my word for it....stay away from the right one....damaged goods...
   30. Willie Mayspedester Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4185018)
Headley looks pretty good. One thing the A's haven't done in recent history is trade for somebody and extend them right away like some other teams do. From what I can tell he has two more arb years to go so maybe try lock him up for 4 years (2 of his FA).

They should trade some of the prospects that would probably just fail in Oakland anyway like Grant Green and Michael Taylor (if SD wants them). There are plenty of starting pitching prospects that can be sent over too. Maybe even throw in a Primate's testicle to make everybody happy.
   31. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4185025)
They should trade some of the prospects that would probably just fail in Oakland anyway like Grant Green and Michael Taylor (if SD wants them). There are plenty of starting pitching prospects that can be sent over too. Maybe even throw in a Primate's testicle to make everybody happy.

I think I'd give them Brett Anderson. I can't tell if that's too much or way too little to give up. But yeah, Green and Anderson for Headley? I want September to be interesting!
   32. Willie Mayspedester Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4185044)
I think I'd give them Brett Anderson.


Not sure if they want a guy still not back from TJ surgery yet. You could give them somebody from the starting staff or Straily depending on how he is valued. I would do the Anderson trade but it would sting a bit (not as bad as ball cutting of course)
   33. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4185059)
Not sure if they want a guy still not back from TJ surgery yet.

He's almost back. I'm not really sure what they'd want or why they should even trade Headley, but hopefully Billy at least makes a call to find out. Would really love to bring back Denorfia, too, and dump Crisp. Denorfia should be available reasonably, no?
   34. Willie Mayspedester Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4185078)
Sickles had their 3B prospect Jedd Gyorko as a B+ so maybe that's where they want to go and save the money on Headley to buy fine wine in Temecula.
   35. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:43 PM (#4185084)
I believe Jedd Gyorko is on indefinite bereavement leave after the destruction of his home planet Alderaan.
   36. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4185088)
I believe Jedd Gyorko is on bereavement leave after the destruction of his home planet Alderaan.

Bwah! He should head to Tattooine for a drink and a fight to take his mind off his troubles. (See George Lucas, see how we can build a world from the originals but no way in hell we can from the prequels? That didn't come from CGI you donk!)
   37. JJ1986 Posted: July 17, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4185093)
Would really love to bring back Denorfia, too, and dump Crisp. Denorfia should be available reasonably, no?


You can't have him. I have already earmarked Denorfia for the Mets.
   38. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: August 04, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4200571)
Spider-Man's
The Funk
_ _ _ _ _who each time
_ _ _ _ _runs up whipped-cream
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ pieslamming
A's take onetwothreefourfivesixseven gamesjustlikethat
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Yoenis (and crew)
twelve and five since that day
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _and what I want to know is
how do you like your greengold boys
Mister Ratto

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