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Monday, October 29, 2012

Rawlings Gold Glove Announcement Show

SAMCRO intrusion alert! ESPN2 to broadcast exclusive show unveiling MLB recipients Tuesday, October 30th

Rawlings Sporting Goods Company, Inc. a subsidiary of Jarden Corporation (NYSE: JAH), today announced that for the second consecutive year, ESPN2 will air the 2012 Rawlings Gold Glove Award® Announcement Show on Tuesday, October 30, 2012, at 9:30pm ET/8:30pm CT. The Rawlings Gold Glove Awards honor the best individual fielding performances at each position in the American League™ and National League™, as voted by major-league managers and coaches.

Guest presenters Sandy Alomar, Jr. and National Baseball Hall of Fame inductees Andre Dawson and Ozzie Smith will unveil the winners during the announcement show.

Changes implemented into the award program last year remain for 2012, including the separation of the three outfield positions and the unveiling of the top-three finalists plus ties at each position.

A number of players are vying for the designation as the best defender at his position, including 21 past recipients and 11 reigning Rawlings Gold Glove Award winners. The Cincinnati Reds™ lead all teams with six finalists, including reigning Rawlings Gold Glove Award winners Brandon Phillips and Joey Votto. The battle for National League pitcher includes three former winners of the award: Cincinnati’s Bronson Arroyo (2010 NL winner), Miami’s Mark Buehrle (3-time AL winner with the Chicago White Sox™) and defending NL winner, Clayton Kershaw of the Los Angeles Dodgers™.

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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 29, 2012 at 02:19 PM (#4287459)
I wonder if being a "finalist" for Gold Glove will be used as HOF criteria in the near future.
   2. Tuque Posted: October 29, 2012 at 02:22 PM (#4287465)
Was it last year that they ###### it up by accidentally posting all of the GG candidates in order of votes received, so that it became quickly apparent that the winner was just the guy whose name was listed at the top? That was great. I wonder if someone got fired over that.
   3. SoSH U at work Posted: October 29, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4287483)
Was it last year that they ###### it up by accidentally posting all of the GG candidates in order of votes received, so that it became quickly apparent that the winner was just the guy whose name was listed at the top?


Yes, ESPN had an announcement of the finalists the day before the telecast, but it actually listed the winner first (and in a different font) for each position.
   4. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 29, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4287515)
I've never seen a website that felt obliged to put "TM" in a superscript above each of the teams' nicknames. What, they were worried that MLB would sue them?
   5. hokieneer Posted: October 29, 2012 at 03:38 PM (#4287541)
Is it still 1 vote per position per voter? If so, then it's still hard to take these seriously.

And Andre Either is a RF finalist? That can't be true.
   6. Dave Spiwak Posted: October 29, 2012 at 03:38 PM (#4287543)
CF

Austin Jackson Detroit Tigers™

Adam Jones Baltimore Orioles™

Mike Trout Los Angeles Angels™ of Anaheim


How did Austin Jackson look during the MLB™ Regular Season™? He didn't impress as a fielder in the World Series™... I seem to remember some curious routes, late jumps, and non-plays on tough balls. I kept thinking "Mike Trout would have caught that."
   7. boteman is here Posted: October 29, 2012 at 03:40 PM (#4287545)
#4 - Suing competitors (and partners) into oblivion is the new market inefficiency.

Furtado had better litter his site with ™ superscripts after everything and anything that could possibly be considered a trademark. Then register all of them.
   8. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 29, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4287547)
I wonder if being a "finalist" for Gold Glove will be used as HOF criteria in the near future.

I hope so. You always hear about guys who would have won five Gold Gloves if they hadn't been in the same league as Brooks Robinson or hwatnot. Those anecdotes need to be turned into anecdata.
   9. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 29, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4287582)
Making the voting transparent would help, too.
   10. tshipman Posted: October 29, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4287587)
So I'm assuming that everyone who thought Palmeiro winning a GG when playing DH was bad will see Trout winning a gold glove while playing under 100 full games in CF as equally bad?
   11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 29, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4287588)

I hope so. You always hear about guys who would have won five Gold Gloves if they hadn't been in the same league as Brooks Robinson or hwatnot. Those anecdotes need to be turned into anecdata.


Yes, data that says Jeff Francoeur was one of the three best fielding right-fielders in the American League is reliable data.
   12. The Artist Posted: October 29, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4287596)
The idea that Brandon Crawford wasn't as good defensively as Jimmy Rollins.... well, that is funny. ;)
   13. hokieneer Posted: October 29, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4287599)
So I'm assuming that everyone who thought Palmeiro winning a GG when playing DH was bad will see Trout winning a gold glove while playing under 100 full games in CF as equally bad?


Same could be said if Votto wins at 1b on name recognition.
   14. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 29, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4287603)
Guest presenters Sandy Alomar, Jr. and National Baseball Hall of Fame inductees Andre Dawson and Ozzie Smith will unveil the winners during the announcement show.


I was going to make a joke about one of those presenters doesn't belong there, but I was surprised to see Alomar had actually won a Gold Glove (during his ROY season).
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: October 29, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4287604)
So I'm assuming that everyone who thought Palmeiro winning a GG when playing DH was bad will see Trout winning a gold glove while playing under 100 full games in CF as equally bad?


Why on earth would they? Palmeiro played 28 games at first in the year he won, Trout has played almost four times that many games in CF (and another couple dozen in left). Moreover, there's no reason to think Palmeiro was anything special at first during the month's worth of games he played there in 1999. Trout has the most DWAR of any of the three CF contenders for this year's award.
   16. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 29, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4287605)
So I'm assuming that everyone who thought Palmeiro winning a GG when playing DH was bad will see Trout winning a gold glove while playing under 100 full games in CF as equally bad?


256 innings is a bit less than 885 so it's not quite the same.

Certainly Trout's playing time is against him but according to BBRef he was 10th in the AL in innings played in center field so it's not like he wasn't out there quite a bit and of course by the metrics he scores extremely well. I'm surprised at how poorly guys like Adam Jones and BJ Upton score, both seem to be excellent defensive center fielders from what I've seen. There doesn't seem to be anyone ahead of him in innings that was obviously better than him even when accounting for the difference in playing time.
   17. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 29, 2012 at 04:28 PM (#4287606)
So I'm assuming that everyone who thought Palmeiro winning a GG when playing DH was bad will see Trout winning a gold glove while playing under 100 full games in CF as equally bad?

In 1999, Palmeiro played 28 games, 246.1 innings at first base.
Last year, Trout played 110 games, 885.2 innings in center field (and also 67 games, 328 innings in left, plus 4 games, 12 innings in right).

Trout led AL CF in TZ Runs, despite the limited playing time at that position. He was also third among all OFs, including all games in all fields.
Palmeiro didn't lead any fielders in anything.

I see it sort of like McCovey winning Rookie of the Year with just 219 PA in 1959: people are balancing the "limited time" factor with the "Oh my GOD, he's amazing!" factor.
I assume you know the comparison is kind of ridiculous, and you are just trying to make a silly point.
Or maybe you're a big Adam Jones or Coco Crisp fan, I dunno.

EDIT: ah, this has been pretty well-covered in the last few minutes. I still like the McCovey comp, though.
   18. boteman is here Posted: October 29, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4287621)
Aren't the Gold Glove and Silver Slugger awards thinly veiled attempts to get the names of Rawlings and Louisville Slugger(?) in front of people by making these awards? While I think it's worthwhile to consider definite metrics when deciding who should get it, I'm not sure it's worth agonizing over. A guy wins it, you take notice, and go back to see who's getting traded, let go, retiring, etc.

Of course, if you enjoy the mental exercise, then have at it. I enjoy learning the benefits and shortcomings of the various measurement systems through these discussions.
   19. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: October 29, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4287660)
Tuesday? Ooh, would love to watch, but I can't... I'm going to be busy.

Eating at Taco Bell.

ETA: Taco Bell™
   20. GEB4000 Posted: October 29, 2012 at 06:04 PM (#4287689)
Looking forward to Jeter winning his sixth gold glove.
   21. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 29, 2012 at 06:31 PM (#4287713)
Looking forward to Jeter winning his sixth gold glove.


Can't happen (at least, not until 2013) the finalists are Elvis Andrus, JJ Hardy, and Brendan Ryan.
   22. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 29, 2012 at 07:32 PM (#4287774)
How did Austin Jackson look during the MLB™ Regular Season™? He didn't impress as a fielder in the World Series™... I seem to remember some curious routes, late jumps, and non-plays on tough balls. I kept thinking "Mike Trout would have caught that."

that's Mike Trout™
   23. Tripon Posted: October 29, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4287835)
Andre Ethier is one of the few legitimate cases of a bad defensive outfielder with a good defensive rep turning himself into a good defensive outfielder.
   24. Walt Davis Posted: October 29, 2012 at 11:51 PM (#4288030)
I see it sort of like McCovey winning Rookie of the Year with just 219 PA in 1959:

Or Braun in 2007.

And it's only recently (I don't know exactly when) that they switched from generic OF GGs (which were predominantly won by CF) to position-specific ones so "historically" Trout's time in LF would have counted.
   25. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: October 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM (#4288035)
And it's only recently (I don't know exactly when) that they switched from generic OF GGs (which were predominantly won by CF) to position-specific ones so "historically" Trout's time in LF would have counted.


They made the switch to LF-CF-RF last year.

   26.   Posted: October 30, 2012 at 03:02 AM (#4288094)
for the second consecutive year, ESPN2 will air the 2012 Rawlings Gold Glove Award® Announcement Show


god damn it I hate reruns
   27. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: October 30, 2012 at 09:50 AM (#4288162)
Well played Shock.
   28. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: October 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM (#4288173)
So I'm assuming that everyone who thought Palmeiro winning a GG when playing DH was bad will see Trout winning a gold glove while playing under 100 full games in CF as equally bad?

Same could be said if Votto wins at 1b on name recognition.


Votto still had 111 games (109 starts), though that's well behind Freeman and Laroche. Interestingly (or maybe not), Votto led NL 1B in total assists.
   29. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: October 30, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4288208)
Looking forward to Jeter winning his sixth gold glove.


Can't happen (at least, not until 2013) the finalists are Elvis Andrus, JJ Hardy, and Brendan Ryan.


The Lord (i.e. Jeter) works in mysterious ways.

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