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Monday, April 16, 2018

Rays Kiermaier to have surgery, miss 8-12 weeks | TB Times

Kiermaier will have surgery for a torn ligament in his right thumb and is expected to miss 8-12 weeks, the Tampa Bay Times has learned. An announcement from the team is expected later today.

The Rays have been in this position before, each of the last two years actually, waiting for test results but expecting bad news regarding an injury to centerfielder Kevin Kiermaier.

This time it’s a right thumb injury, sustained sliding headfirst into second Sunday while taking an extra base, with the potential to keep him out for what manager Kevin Cash said could be “a chunk” of the season.

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 16, 2018 at 01:16 PM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 16, 2018 at 01:24 PM (#5654628)
Why do players slide head first? It's so dangerous.
   2. The Duke Posted: April 16, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5654698)
I don’t know if it is more dangerous than feet first. I suspect it is. But there are plenty of twisted ankles, knees and even hand injuries (from dragging your hands) in normal slides as well. In little league they taught us how to slide with our hands up to avoid those type of hand injuries but it seems they don’t train this skill at all in MLB. Also very hard to break habits once learned.

Yadier Molina slides headfirst and has two Ligament injuries to his thumbs to show for his horrible sliding technique.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 16, 2018 at 03:04 PM (#5654722)
In little league they taught us how to slide with our hands up to avoid those type of hand injuries but it seems they don’t train this skill at all in MLB. Also very hard to break habits once learned.

That's why somef guys hold their batting gloves in their hand when running the bases. Keeps the palms covered, and protects the finger.

I also don't like the headfirst slide because it gives the fielder the ability to block the bag with his leg. Every runner should slide feet first, straight at the bag, unless it's a playoff game where you need to do some crazy stuff to avoid a tag.
   4. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: April 16, 2018 at 03:07 PM (#5654726)
In little league they taught us how to slide with our hands up to avoid those type of hand injuries but it seems they don’t train this skill at all in MLB. Also very hard to break habits once learned.


Headfirst slides are now illegal in LL, unless the runner is going back to a base he already made.
   5. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: April 16, 2018 at 03:34 PM (#5654743)
I don't know if headfirst slides are more dangerous but they are more damaging. A minor leg injury is something an MLB player generally can play through with minimal loss of production. Even the slightest hand injury is devastating. The hands are just so important to what they do.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 16, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5654748)
That's why somef guys hold their batting gloves in their hand when running the bases. Keeps the palms covered, and protects the finger.
Does anyone actually still do this? I think everyone just wears the oven mitts now.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: April 16, 2018 at 04:15 PM (#5654762)
I'm sure there was a study of this question posted here eons ago. The basic takeaway was that sliding feet first is at least, maybe more, likely to result in injury but that the injuries were usually trivial so substantially more time was lost to head-first slides. I think the study used some college games -- maybe they were trainers for a team or something. Replicability is left as an exercise for the reader. :-)

The Rays are in trouble. Small sample sizes but the roster without Kiermaier has just one player any team would want to trade for (Archer, off to an atrocious start) although Colome will probably have things straightened out enough by the deadline to at least be tradable. Assuming they aren't interested yet in trading off their 24-year-old starters.
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 16, 2018 at 04:18 PM (#5654765)
Does anyone actually still do this? I think everyone just wears the oven mitts now.

Aargh, those things are an aesthetic nightmare.
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 16, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5654772)
Aargh, those things are an aesthetic nightmare.
Yeah, but you try stealing second base and then taking a lasagna out at 425 degrees without one.
   10. puck Posted: April 16, 2018 at 08:39 PM (#5654908)
Eh. Now that they revised UZR, he's just a good glove. Still has a helluvan arm though.
   11. BDC Posted: April 16, 2018 at 09:08 PM (#5654927)
When I was in high school (45 freaking years ago) it seemed like Pete Rose was the only guy who slid headfirst; later Rickey Henderson became prominent, and between them they played in over 6,600 games, so it can’t inevitably hurt people. But what was the objective history of headfirst sliding? When did it have its renaissance? (Or just naissance?)
   12. Cooper Nielson Posted: April 17, 2018 at 04:24 AM (#5655065)
unless it's a playoff game where you need to do some crazy stuff to avoid a tag.

I think that's part of it -- it's a lot easier to avoid tags and keep contact with the bag with your hand/arm than with your foot/leg.
   13. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: April 17, 2018 at 08:06 AM (#5655086)
Eh. Now that they revised UZR, he's just a good glove. Still has a helluvan arm though.


I am assuming that is just a fangraphs change? Huge difference between FG and BR in WAR, 14.1 & 21.2.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 17, 2018 at 10:24 AM (#5655149)
I am assuming that is just a fangraphs change? Huge difference between FG and BR in WAR, 14.1 & 21.2.

Yes. BRef used DRS. FG uses UZR.

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