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Ready for a $2.5 billion swing at Major League Baseball? Portland Diamond Project charter investors revealed

The Oregonian/OregonLive has learned the identities of the other “Charter” investors with the group that aims to bring a Major League Baseball club to Portland.

The roster of investors includes:

• Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson

• Recording artist and entrepreneur Ciara Wilson

• Former MLB player Darwin Barney and David P. Barney and David M. Barney

• Retired business owner and philanthropist Samantha Richardson

• Retired CEO of Platt Electric Harvey Platt and wife Sandy Platt

• Opus Agency co-founder and restauranteur Grant Hammersley

• Portland Gear founder and CEO Marcus Harvey

• Kamp Grizzly founder Dan Portrait and wife Sheena.

• Avamere Group founder and CEO Rick Dillon

• DWFritz Automation CEO Mike Fritz

• Nike Inc. Vice President of Global Footwear Product Creation Mark Allen and wife Peg

• Jevo founder and entrepreneur Tyler Williams

• Real estate broker Kelsey Williams

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   1. base ball chick Posted: January 17, 2019 at 03:55 PM (#5806372)
darwin barney?????

he only made 10 mill his entire career so where did he come up with enough $$$ to invest in a ballclub? best i can tell, his father isn't rich and neither is his brother
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 17, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5806378)
best i can tell, his father isn't rich and neither is his brother


His dad is a doctor, and I believe his brother is a dentist, so they have some money. I'm sure they're not tossing in tens of millions, but they could probably put up some money.

Kamp Grizzly founder Dan Portrait and wife Sheena.


I read this as Kamp Krusty at first.
   3. puck Posted: January 17, 2019 at 05:03 PM (#5806396)
darwin barney?????


He's evolved?
   4. QLE Posted: January 17, 2019 at 05:03 PM (#5806398)
I'm sure they're not tossing in tens of millions, but they could probably put up some money.


Quite, especially since, based on both prior experiences and comments in the article, I suspect that the "name" investors have relatively small shares and that most of the money is being fronted by folk who you've never heard of.
   5. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: January 17, 2019 at 05:24 PM (#5806403)
LB commissioner Rob Manfred last year listed Portland at the top of the list as possible expansion sites.
"I'd consider putting a baseball team in Portland."
The desire to expand from 30 to 32 teams was part of the sport’s collective bargaining agreement discussion. Also, stadium uncertainty in Tampa and Oakland has fueled speculation that Portland could serve as a relocation site.
One wonders if Portland will be to the 2020s what the Suncoast Dome was to the 1990s. It'd be both comical and fitting if a new publicly funded stadium gets built for the Rays after they make a credible threat to move to Portland's nearly-complete Estadio Beaver Lodge.
   6. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 17, 2019 at 05:41 PM (#5806407)
I suspect that the "name" investors have relatively small shares and that most of the money is being fronted by folk who you've never heard of.


EDIT (after RTFA): Are the folks with Big Buck$ willing to heavily invest in a stadium for the Portland Pachyderms, or is this going to be a public & privately funded effort with costs going one way and profits another?
   7. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 17, 2019 at 05:46 PM (#5806408)
• Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson
• Recording artist and entrepreneur Ciara Wilson


Kind of a bad sign when the first two people listed (separately) are married.
   8. Lassus Posted: January 17, 2019 at 05:47 PM (#5806409)
None of the Powells?

Also, expanding to 32 teams is stupid.
   9. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: January 17, 2019 at 05:59 PM (#5806411)
TFA says they have "letters of agreement from out of state equity-stake investors" worth $1.3 billion. It's not clear if the list of people here are some of the out of state equity-stake investors, or if they're all in for a million or two and the real money is coming from hedge fund people and the like.
   10. bfan Posted: January 17, 2019 at 06:00 PM (#5806412)
I wonder how well a professional sports team can do there when the city council introduces a fairness and equity salary cap, of no greater than the highest paid sanitation worker.
   11. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 17, 2019 at 07:36 PM (#5806428)
he only made 10 mill his entire career so where did he come up with enough $$$ to invest in a ballclub?


Four consecutive hits on roulette at the Bellagio letting it all ride?
   12. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: January 17, 2019 at 08:27 PM (#5806433)
Wasn't Rob Neyer in Portland for awhile? Currenlty? If so, I wonder if he's involved somehow?
   13. depletion Posted: January 17, 2019 at 09:51 PM (#5806447)
My recollection is that the citizens of Portland voted down funds to attract MLB; twice. Maybe they're just not that into you, MLB.
   14. McCoy Posted: January 17, 2019 at 09:57 PM (#5806451)
Don't tell David that they voted twice on it.
   15. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: January 17, 2019 at 10:10 PM (#5806453)
Wasn't Rob Neyer in Portland for awhile? Currenlty? If so, I wonder if he's involved somehow?

The group turned Neyer away when he insisted that the players wear flannel uniforms.
   16. Hank Gillette Posted: January 18, 2019 at 12:38 AM (#5806477)
Also, expanding to 32 teams is stupid.


That’s an argument I’ve never heard before. I’m convinced.

32 would make scheduling easier and remove the requirement of an interleague game every day. They won’t do it, but they could divide into four “leagues”, each with eight teams, evoking the original American and National Leagues. Teams could play a higher percentage of their games within their league and alternate which of the other two leagues they play games with.

Possible league names:

American
National
Pacific Coast
International (thank you, Toronto.)

I think 32 teams would make sense, although they’d probably to to four divisions with for teams each in each league.
   17. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 18, 2019 at 03:58 AM (#5806479)
Don't tell David that they voted twice on it.

Heh, well played.
   18. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 18, 2019 at 05:23 AM (#5806480)
I think the only real considerations as to whether to expand should be, (1) are there viable markets for it, and (2) is there enough talent to support two additional teams without hurting the quality of play.

Given that I'm not sure there are enough viable markets to support the existing 30 teams, I'm not sure expanding to 32 is a great idea. There's probably enough talent out there but expansion would just exacerbate the issue of starting pitchers not being able to go deep in games, since that seems to be the rarest talent in the game right now.
   19. Tony S Posted: January 18, 2019 at 07:54 AM (#5806487)

I believe expansion is good for the game in the abstract -- more markets for MLB are better than fewer markets -- and having more cities with MLB franchises reduces the existing owners' leverage for blackmailing their local communities for free stadiums and other concessions. That said, it IS possible that MLB is currently at a saturation point. There's a team in Tampa Bay that's usually competitive on the field and plays in a division with two of the most popular road draws in baseball, and it has all kinds of trouble attracting reliable fan support. The "open" cities/metro areas for expansion are all relatively small (except Montreal, which has its own issues). If MLB adds two teams we'll probably wind up with a couple of franchises that won't crack 70 wins more than a couple of times a decade. Fan interest will wane after the initial excitement, and baseball will be saddled with a couple more "problem" franchises. I'm not convinced that's a healthy or sustainable model.
   20. BrianBrianson Posted: January 18, 2019 at 09:10 AM (#5806500)
Also, expanding to 32 teams is stupid.


Yes, it should be at least 64.
   21. Rusty Priske Posted: January 18, 2019 at 09:37 AM (#5806506)
Kind of a bad sign when the first two people listed (separately) are married.]


I consider that a GOOD sign. They are both known individuals in their own right. Their fame is not predicated on being married to each other.

It wasn't long ago that either she wouldn't have been listed or it would have said Russell Wilson and his wife, Ciara.
   22. Rally Posted: January 18, 2019 at 09:53 AM (#5806515)
Yes, it should be at least 64.


And preferably all should make the playoffs, enabling MLB to offer fans the chance to fill out NCAA style brackets. 2 weeks per best of 7 playoff round, so 12 weeks of playoffs would start at the beginning of August. There will also be loser's brackets so that we don't have half of MLB playing golf by August 15th.

That leaves room for about 100 regular season games to set up the seeding.

Playoff baseball makes more money than regular season, so what are we waiting for?
   23. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM (#5806567)
Yes, there is no reason to expand right now when there’s a perfectly fine Athletics team that wants out of Oakland. We actually are overdue for an expansion in the sense that it has been 21 years since the last one and we typically have them more frequently (big exception being having 16 teams for 60 years), but it looks like we won’t be ready for another one any time soon.

It’s kind of interesting that the NFL and NBA are also overdue for expansion (not NHL, though) and look like they won’t be expanding any time soon. It appears that the major sports leagues all maxed out in the 1998-2003 period and now we’re living in the era of stable league sizes.
   24. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 18, 2019 at 11:59 AM (#5806568)
it has been 21 years since the last one
Wait...what? No, that was like 8 years ago.
   25. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: January 18, 2019 at 12:04 PM (#5806572)
Expand to 50 or 60 teams and divide them geographically into three entirely separate leagues (roughly Eastern, Central/Mountain, and Pacific). Then invite the winner of the Japan Series to a little four-team tournament held every year in Hawaii or Omaha or wherever.
   26. Master of the Horse Posted: January 18, 2019 at 12:22 PM (#5806582)
Oregon is a really underrated state.
   27. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 18, 2019 at 12:26 PM (#5806586)
Oregon is a really underrated state.
I dunno, what do you think its rating is? It's kind of tough to rank because there's the ultra-liberal Portland/coast area, and then the eastern part, which is apparently full of "sovereign citizen"/doomsday prepper types.
   28. Master of the Horse Posted: January 18, 2019 at 12:40 PM (#5806591)
27--likley varies by standard, right? But I think if you just go by how many people go to Oregon for pleasure it's probably in the 20-30 range among states. And I love the diversity where you can hang with the hipsters and in a few hours be with people who if you tell them you work for the federal govt they might go all West Virginia on you.
   29. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 18, 2019 at 12:42 PM (#5806592)
Diversity is great and all, but neither hipsters nor militiamen are real high on my list of people I want to hang out with. I do hear it's a beautiful state, though. Would love to go to Willamette wine country.
   30. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 18, 2019 at 01:39 PM (#5806612)
The effectivess of the Hipster Militia is uncertain, at best.
   31. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 18, 2019 at 01:45 PM (#5806614)
Inasmuch as they're only hoarding weapons ironically, I tend to agree.
   32. RoyalFlush Posted: January 18, 2019 at 01:46 PM (#5806616)
The effectivess of the Hipster Militia is uncertain, at best.


Considering they're only armed with a smug sense of self importance and beard wax, they are doing what they can.
   33. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 18, 2019 at 01:48 PM (#5806617)
The camouflage fanny packs don't really do much either.
   34. BrianBrianson Posted: January 18, 2019 at 02:01 PM (#5806623)
It’s kind of interesting that the NFL and NBA are also overdue for expansion (not NHL, though)


The NHL has struggling franchises, but you could put real moneymaking teams in Quebec City, Hamilton, London, Mississauga, North York, East York, Markham, Brampton, and possibly Halifax.
   35. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 18, 2019 at 02:21 PM (#5806634)
[27] Why does that make it tough to rank? The big liberal metro, medium sized liberal secondary city (Eugene in this case) and very conservative rural area template is used by many states, like WI, MI, GA, NV, NC, IL, etc.
   36. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 18, 2019 at 02:34 PM (#5806638)
Because I wasn't really being serious.
   37. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: January 18, 2019 at 03:21 PM (#5806661)
The effectivess of the Hipster Militia is uncertain, at best.

Considering they're only armed with a smug sense of self importance and beard wax, they are doing what they can.
At least some of them are into hanging out at axe throwing bars, so they might be able to go all Gimli son of Glóin on you.

(There's an axe throwing bar in my town. It actually looks like something that would be fun to do once and only once.)
   38. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: January 18, 2019 at 03:22 PM (#5806662)
It’s kind of interesting that the NFL and NBA are also overdue for expansion (not NHL, though)

Presumably you mean that the NHL is not overdue because they're in the middle of expanding-- Vegas Golden Knights last year, and then Seattle Salmon* for 19-20 I think-- though choosing to expand by 1 to an odd number of teams was just bizarre.


*not the actual name, though it'd be kinda neat
   39. Master of the Horse Posted: January 18, 2019 at 03:34 PM (#5806666)
37--totally do it. It's great. I did not harm myself or anyone else in the vicinity and was not terrible.
   40. puck Posted: January 18, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5806670)
37--totally do it. It's great. I did not harm myself or anyone else in the vicinity and was not terrible.


I could see how that would work if there's a high ceiling. An older person might be more likely to hurt their shoulder throwing it too hard vs getting anywhere near the blade.
   41. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 18, 2019 at 05:54 PM (#5806690)
[38] Yes, the NHL expanded last year, so very not overdue.
   42. depletion Posted: January 19, 2019 at 12:32 PM (#5806788)
The Seattle NHL team should be the Metropolitans. I write that as a completely unbiased NY Mets fan.
   43. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: January 19, 2019 at 04:06 PM (#5806825)
Depending where the arena is, maybe they could be the Seattle-Tacoma Metro Area.
   44. Hank Gillette Posted: January 22, 2019 at 08:12 PM (#5807942)
If we are going to be honest, the greater New York City area could easily support two more teams. It’s twice as populous as Los Angeles, and three times bigger than Chicago. NY supported three teams for decades, and the population is much greater now. I assume that the Yankees and Mets will never let that happen.

San Antonio is the largest city without a MLB franchise. I don’t seem to hear a lot of talk about it as a potential MLB site, but it’s more populous than the cities of 15 teams, as I counted. If you count the greater metropolitan areas, rather than just the city proper, then that might change in some cases.

MLB does not yet fully reflect the shifting population to the Sun Belt. There are numerous cities in the South larger than the old northern metropolitan centers, such as Detroit, Milwaukee, and Cleveland. Being right on a Great Lake is not as advantageous as it once was. Chances are, this population shift is going to continue for quite awhile.
   45. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 22, 2019 at 08:21 PM (#5807953)
Yes, the distribution of pro-sports teams reflects historical city sizes during which those leagues were built. The most extreme example is that Detroit has all four major league teams, while Austin, which has more people than Detroit, has none. But from 1930-80, Detroit was one of the biggests metros in the country, but it’s collapsed over the last 40 years. Meanwhile, Austin as a top-15 city populationwise is a fairly recent development.
   46. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: January 22, 2019 at 08:43 PM (#5807972)
San Antonio is the largest city without a MLB franchise. I don’t seem to hear a lot of talk about it as a potential MLB site, but it’s more populous than the cities of 15 teams, as I counted. If you count the greater metropolitan areas, rather than just the city proper, then that might change in some cases.

Much of San Antonio's perceived population growth is due to a policy of aggressively annexing outlying areas. There is very little suburban development outside of the city limits. While it's the 7th largest city in the country; it's only the 24th-largest metropolitan area, right between the Orlando, FL, and Portland, OR, metro areas.
   47. Hank Gillette Posted: January 22, 2019 at 08:56 PM (#5807978)
Detroit has all four major league teams, while Austin, which has more people than Detroit, has none. But from 1930-80, Detroit was one of the biggests metros in the country, but it’s collapsed over the last 40 years.


In 1900, Buffalo was the eighth largest city in the U.S., but that was its peak. It had dropped to 20th by 1960, and 71st in 2010.
   48. Hank Gillette Posted: January 22, 2019 at 09:10 PM (#5807981)
Much of San Antonio's perceived population growth is due to a policy of aggressively annexing outlying areas. There is very little suburban development outside of the city limits. While it's the 7th largest city in the country; it's only the 24th-largest metropolitan area, right between the Orlando, FL, and Portland, OR, metro areas.


Using that standard, Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA would be the largest metropolitan area without a MLB franchise. The Charlotte area looks better by this measure, being slightly larger than the Orlando metropolitan area.

I am not sure how MLB considers these things. I imagine having some investors already in place with deep pockets would make an area more inviting than a larger one without an ownership syndicate in place. I would think the physical size of the metro area would also play a part, and how close it is to an existing franchise.

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