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Friday, August 02, 2013

Red Sox 8, Mariners 7 – the worst loss of the season

Ambidisastrous!

Things only got worse when (Robby) Thompson went to pull Wilhelmsen.

After calling timeout, and heading from the dugout to the mound, Thompson thought he signaled for right-hander Yoervis Medina, who was warming in the bullpen along with lefty Oliver Perez. Thompson said he pointed to the bullpen with his left arm and then tapped his right arm with the left hand – his signal he wanted the right-hander.

“Normally, when I go to whoever I want, I tap,” Thompson said simulating the motion.

However, home plate umpire David Rackley saw Thompson pointing with the left-hand as a signal for Perez. Medina, who was jogging in, was sent back to the bullpen and Perez was forced to come in the game.

Crew chief Gary Darling stepped in and squashed Thompson’s protests.

“Gary said you made a motion with your left hand, but I said I wanted to go to my right arm,” Thompson said. “They didn’t see it that way. We wanted to go to Medina there. And then Ollie was the next guy.”

Perez was just as confused in the bullpen.

“(The umpires) said it was the lefty but I saw (Thompson) signal for the righty,” Perez said. “I’ve never had that happen to me before. But I was ready.”

The umpires ruling shouldn’t have mattered. Perez is equally adept at getting out right-handers as he is left-handed hitters. And the Mariners simply needed outs of any kind with a four-run lead.

Perez couldn’t get the outs.

Repoz Posted: August 02, 2013 at 08:36 AM | 76 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Darren Posted: August 02, 2013 at 08:56 AM (#4510981)
Um, no. It matters. They ended up bringing in Perez to face Victorino and Pedroia, both of whom hit lefties considerably better. If Medina comes in and gets one of those guys, things look a lot different.

This seems like a harmless misunderstanding--why did the umps need to enforce who they thought was coming in? It's not like the Mariners tricked the Red Sox into putting in a PH or something.
   2. Greg K Posted: August 02, 2013 at 08:59 AM (#4510984)
Why are the umpires involved at all in who comes out of the bullpen? Is there some advantage to a manager giving some kind of deceptive sign that makes the other team thing he's going to pitcher B when in fact he is going to pitcher A? It's going to become pretty clear to the whole stadium once the guy comes out of the pen.

The manager's signal also seems a bit weird to me. Wouldn't it make the most sense to have someone call the bullpen immediately before or while the manager is walking out to say "bring in Perez". You've got a bullpen phone, why not use it?
   3. eddieot Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:00 AM (#4510987)
Wait. What? An umpire can dictate who comes in the game based on his interpretation of a hand motion? Even though the correct pitcher is jogging in from the bullpen? I'm the last guy to jump on "the umpires suck worse than ever" bandwagon but that scenario is ridiculous. The guys in the bullpen understood the signal. Why would an umpire go out of his way to overrule that?
   4. Tricky Dick Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:03 AM (#4510988)
That's bizarre. I always thought the signal to the bullpen was for the bullpen, not the umpires. Same thought as No. 3.
   5. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:04 AM (#4510989)
This is bullshit. I'm pissed, and I'm not even a Mariners fan.
   6. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:06 AM (#4510991)
That's seriously messed up. Is there anything in the rules that gives the umps that kind of authority? If not, can the Mariners protest the game?
   7. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:08 AM (#4510993)
Something similar happened to the Red Sox a couple of years ago with a pinch hitter rather than a reliever. I don't remember the specifics but the Sox wound up with the "wrong" pinch hitter in a key spot.

I agree with Darren and Greg. I'm curious if this is actually a rule, I always assumed it was just a convention. What happens if both pitchers warming up are right-handed? In the 2005 WS I remember Ozzie making a motion that basically was "I want the fat guy" to note Jenks over the other righty. It's not like Thompson waved with his left hand and had all sorts of time to rethink it, Perez had not even left the bullpen.

Why are the umpires involved at all in who comes out of the bullpen? Is there some advantage to a manager giving some kind of deceptive sign that makes the other team thing he's going to pitcher B when in fact he is going to pitcher A? It's going to become pretty clear to the whole stadium once the guy comes out of the pen.


The only thing I can think of is that if a lefty jogs out of the pen and the hitting team gets a righty hitter up there to PH then the lefty heads back if the hitter is introduced the batting team is at a disadvantage. If the manager is dumb enough to send the PH up before the reliever is formally introduced that's his own fault.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:10 AM (#4510997)
That's seriously messed up. Is there anything in the rules that gives the umps that kind of authority? If not, can the Mariners protest the game?


That's what I was just going to ask. Even as a Sox fan, I sure hope the M's played it under protest, just in case. I didn't see anything in the rules regarding manager/coach mound visits that covers it.

   9. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:13 AM (#4511005)
I'm pissed that I went to bed when it was 7-2 in the 8th. Dammit!
   10. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:14 AM (#4511010)
What they need is soccer style boards with numbers for the players going in and coming out.
   11. Scott Ross Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:23 AM (#4511019)
It's King Felix's fault, he lacks the will to win.
   12. JJ1986 Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:33 AM (#4511028)
I can understand if the wrong pitcher starts jogging in why the umpires would make him stay. I do not understand this.
   13. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:39 AM (#4511036)
What do the umps do when there are 2 righties warming up? Just defer to the bullpen upon the signal?
   14. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:40 AM (#4511037)
I can understand if the wrong pitcher starts jogging in why the umpires would make him stay. I do not understand this.

This is exactly my thought. Are umps going to start disallowing catches because the fielder didn't say, "I got it!"? Oh, sorry, the center fielder called the ball, so mr. right fielder, your catch doesn't count.
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:41 AM (#4511040)
I'm pissed that I went to bed when it was 7-2 in the 8th. Dammit!


ditto
   16. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:42 AM (#4511042)
I'm pissed that I went to bed when it was 7-2 in the 8th. Dammit!

Heh, I went to bed after the 7th. To be fair I had to get up 4 hours later...

But agree, evenas a Red Sox fan, the Mariners got hosed here.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:42 AM (#4511043)
I thought you had until the pitcher was announced to change your mind. That seems pretty messed up.


The only thing I can think of is that if a lefty jogs out of the pen and the hitting team gets a righty hitter up there to PH then the lefty heads back if the hitter is introduced the batting team is at a disadvantage. If the manager is dumb enough to send the PH up before the reliever is formally introduced that's his own fault.


And the thing is, teams frequently put out a "fake" pinch-hitter in the on-deck circle that they have no intention of putting in the game. If he takes a step towards the plate, is he considered "in the game" now? I thought you had to be officially announced.
   18. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:52 AM (#4511049)
Another rule change with the new CBA is that the 3rd base coach must pantomime a bunt motion before a player is allowed to bunt.

WTF.
   19. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:57 AM (#4511060)
I'm pissed that I went to bed when it was 7-2 in the 8th. Dammit!

Not to mention what an Orioles or Rays fan must have felt like in the morning when he rubbed his eyes in disbelief.
   20. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 02, 2013 at 09:58 AM (#4511061)
What if they have 2 righties warming up? Huh? Huh?
   21. JJ1986 Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:07 AM (#4511075)
Also, hasn't tapping your right arm (obviously with your left hand) always been the sign for a righty?
   22. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:08 AM (#4511078)
What if the manager gestures in the direction of the second baseman. Does he have to come in to pitch?
   23. Darren Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:14 AM (#4511085)
"Sorry, you pointed to the guy banging the drum in the center field seats."
   24. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:14 AM (#4511086)
And the thing is, teams frequently put out a "fake" pinch-hitter in the on-deck circle that they have no intention of putting in the game. If he takes a step towards the plate, is he considered "in the game" now? I thought you had to be officially announced.


Something like this happened to the Red Sox a couple of years ago. I don't remember the specifics but there was a situation where Francona wanted one pinch hitter but wound up having to go with someone else because of something on this order.


Also, hasn't tapping your right arm (obviously with your left hand) always been the sign for a righty?


That's not what he did. There's a good video of it on the At Bat app, he pointed with his left hand then quickly pulled it back and pointed with his right hand. It really does seem like an umpire trying to exert too much control. Some reporter should really reach out to the league office and find out how precise the rule on this is. Thompson definitely pointed with his left hand first but man that seems just too much of an NFL style technicality for my taste. The Mariners got screwed.
   25. bfan Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:22 AM (#4511096)
thank god the manager didn't scratch his nuts when he first went to the mound; I am not sure what the umpires would have demanded.
   26. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:23 AM (#4511097)
I get a 'free' game email from a local odds expert every so often. His game last night was the Boston/Seattle Total, taking the under (I never bet off anything he sends). After the Blanco early GS, I was laughing arse off, then started to get nervous as Felix started dealing.
   27. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:24 AM (#4511100)
The .gif of Thompson calling for the pitcher is on Deadspin if anyone wants to see it.
   28. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:25 AM (#4511102)
thank god the manager didn't scratch his nuts when he first went to the mound; I am not sure what the umpires would have demanded.

The peanut vendor has to take the mound.
   29. Darren Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:32 AM (#4511114)
or the ball boy?
   30. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:36 AM (#4511121)
3.07
The umpire-in-chief, after having been notified, shall immediately announce, or cause to be announced, each substitution.


I guess if 'pointing' constitutes notifying the umpire, there's a valid interpretation where that pitcher has to come in. Still seems really pedantic though.
   31. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:37 AM (#4511123)
What if Pat Venditte was warming up in the bullpen? He's not even in the major leagues but still.
   32. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:49 AM (#4511149)
What if Pat Venditte was warming up in the bullpen?

You point both arms at once, duh.
   33. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:49 AM (#4511151)
What do the umps do when there are 2 righties warming up?


They'd force one to pitch with his left arm. Obviously.
   34. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:51 AM (#4511156)
gif of Thompson calling for the pitcher is on Deadspin if anyone wants to see it.


It's here, FWIW.

   35. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 02, 2013 at 10:59 AM (#4511170)
What this seems to indicate is that the umpires have codified the way managers must signal for new pitchers from the bullpen, right? That there is a specific set of gestures that they must use. Which is ridiculous. Until the directive comes down from the commissioner's office, a manager can use semaphore or ASL to bring in a new pitcher, and the umps shouldn't say boo about it.
   36. There are no words... (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:01 AM (#4511176)
Perez couldn’t get the outs.


Seems to me I've heard this song before...
   37. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4511177)
I hope they protested the game.
   38. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4511178)
The umpires are really shitting their pants this year.
   39. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:04 AM (#4511181)
Wow, the Mariners got completely screwed here. What a load of rules-lawyering crap.
   40. TJ Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:11 AM (#4511190)
No sympathy here for the Mariners, whose bullpen imploded regardless of who came in. But the umps couldn't have asked Thompson, "Skip, we thought we saw you call for a lefthander, but the righthander's coming out of your pen. Which is it going to be?" if they were uncertain, and then announce the pitching change?
   41. Nasty Nate Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:12 AM (#4511192)
I think that Thompson was signaling that the Mariners were trading Felix Hernandez to the Red Sox for cash considerations. That is binding!
   42. Shredder Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:14 AM (#4511194)
Until the directive comes down from the commissioner's office, a manager can use semaphore or ASL to bring in a new pitcher, and the umps shouldn't say boo about it.
I'd prefer to see smoke signals.
   43. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:15 AM (#4511195)
It's here, FWIW.

He definitely signaled for the LHP first. The question is what's the rule?
   44. Mattbert Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:17 AM (#4511198)
I can't find anything in the official rules that suggests the signal is binding. The pitcher is not official until announced or until he touches the pitching rubber.
   45. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:19 AM (#4511201)
nevermind!
   46. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:26 AM (#4511211)
If this is a rule, which I assume it isn't, it should be changed.

If it isn't a rule, which it shouldn't be, then this is the worst piece of umpiring I've seen in a long string of increasingly bad umpiring over the last few years.
   47. Famous Original Joe C Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:27 AM (#4511214)
#### happens. This is why (as a Red Sox fan) you don't ##### about stuff like the Nava call at home against Tampa earlier in the week. It always comes around. Same will ahppen for the Mariners.
   48. Dale Sams Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:32 AM (#4511222)
This has happened before guys...I don't remember where but I immediately thought of it when Thompson pointed with the wrong arm, and immediately thought, "Well now I'm going to find out if the last guys to do this were just being asses, or if this is some kind of rule."
   49. calhounite Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:34 AM (#4511226)
or arod? nah that's a little higher
   50. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:38 AM (#4511229)
I can't find anything in the official rules that suggests the signal is binding. The pitcher is not official until announced or until he touches the pitching rubber.

Yeah but Umpires are supposed to announce the substitution immediately upon being notified. If the arm gesture counts as notification, it's a defensible reading of the rules. The question is do managers typically give any other signal to the umpires as to whom they are substituting.
   51. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:38 AM (#4511233)
#### happens. This is why (as a Red Sox fan) you don't ##### about stuff like the Nava call at home against Tampa earlier in the week. It always comes around. Same will ahppen for the Mariners.

I don't think that's the point. Blown calls on bang-bang plays have always been part of the game. This is more a case of the growing arrogance umpires have displayed this season. The weird ejections, the refusal to get the call right earlier in the Oakland-Indians game, the arguments with players. The balance is out of whack.
   52. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:43 AM (#4511239)
I don't think that's the point. Blown calls on bang-bang plays have always been part of the game. This is more a case of the growing arrogance umpires have displayed this season. The weird ejections, the refusal to get the call right earlier in the Oakland-Indians game, the arguments with players. The balance is out of whack.

Is it arrogance or just incompetence? Making up rules that don't exist seems more like stupidity than arrogance.

I mean, if you really believe that that's the rule, it's not arrogant to enforce it. It is a stunning indictment of their professional competence if four umpires don't know the rule.
   53. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:48 AM (#4511250)
One thing I'll note is that Thompson didn't seem to argue it at all. That makes me think it IS in fact a correct ruling (though I agree with Voxter that it should be changed, common sense is your friend). I was at the game and I thought the Sox were getting screwed because I saw Thompson pointing with his right arm then suddenly Perez was coming in and I thought Thompson had been allowed to change after Medina started coming in. I thought Perez was a bad move so I didn't mind too much but it seemed odd. Apparently it was odder than I thought.
   54. Robinson Cano Plate Like Home Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:48 AM (#4511254)
Terrible. Pointless rule, and over eager enforcement to no benefit and substantial detriment to the game.
   55. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:49 AM (#4511257)
By the way I'm pretty sure there is a rule that a protest needs to be announced. There was no announcement that I heard saying the Mariners protested.
   56. John Northey Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4511264)
IMO the umps need a serious punishment over stuff like this. I am a Jays fan, so no skin in this battle (our club sucks). Until the manager says the name of the pitcher coming in to the ump how can it be official? As others have said, if there were 2 LH or 2 RH pitchers out there then what? This is an umpire trying to show who is in charge, not trying to make the game be played by the rules.
   57. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:52 AM (#4511267)
Is it arrogance or just incompetence? Making up rules that don't exist seems more like stupidity than arrogance.

It seems like arrogance to me. Umpires always seem incompetent, but they seem self important this year in a way I can't remember since the Ken Kaiser/Eric Gregg/etc era.
   58. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 02, 2013 at 11:56 AM (#4511274)
Boys, boys...they're arrogant and incompetent.
   59. Nasty Nate Posted: August 02, 2013 at 12:01 PM (#4511278)
One thing I'll note is that Thompson didn't seem to argue it at all. That makes me think it IS in fact a correct ruling


Maybe, but he is an interim manager.
   60. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: August 02, 2013 at 12:37 PM (#4511326)
Remember when MLB was trying to speed up the games? Perhaps they now have a rule or an interpretation about waving to the pen. That said, this seemed to defeat the purpose, as they had to send the righty back to the pen and get the lefty. Tehy'd be better off with a rule that a reliever who steps onto the filed has to go in.

Thompson doesn't seem like the vocal sort.
   61. The District Attorney Posted: August 02, 2013 at 12:42 PM (#4511332)
If the arm gesture counts as notification, it's a defensible reading of the rules.
If this is the current state of the rules, then it should be changed such that the manager tells the umpire, in English, who he is bringing in.
   62. Moeball Posted: August 02, 2013 at 12:49 PM (#4511338)
Perez couldn’t get the outs.


I remember when the Padres unloaded Oliver Perez in the Brian Giles deal. A lot of the local fan base/media was really ticked because they were convinced the Padres were trading away several Cy Young awards. Guess that didn't quite happen, eh?
   63. KT's Pot Arb Posted: August 02, 2013 at 12:59 PM (#4511355)
Yeah but Umpires are supposed to announce the substitution immediately upon being notified. If the arm gesture counts as notification, it's a defensible reading of the rules. The question is do managers typically give any other signal to the umpires as to whom they are substituting.


Methinks that Rackley found a really creative way to ensure the over happened for the gambling syndicate he works for.
   64. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 02, 2013 at 01:00 PM (#4511358)
I remember when the Padres unloaded Oliver Perez in the Brian Giles deal. A lot of the local fan base/media was really ticked because they were convinced the Padres were trading away several Cy Young awards. Guess that didn't quite happen, eh?


I suspect a great amount of amusement could be had by going back and reading the hysterical rantings of various fans after some prospect was dealt away. I'm sure for example we could find Tiger fans who were outraged at giving up Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller for a fat third baseman.

And yes, my rantings from Tuesday and Wednesday about Jose Iglesias are likely to be a part of this exhibit some day.
   65. Nasty Nate Posted: August 02, 2013 at 01:21 PM (#4511387)
I suspect a great amount of amusement could be had by going back and reading the hysterical rantings of various fans after some prospect was dealt away.


I fondly remember my first days at this site and how many Sox fans felt like Dennis Tankersley for Ed Sprague was a low point for the franchise.
   66. Greg Franklin Posted: August 02, 2013 at 01:30 PM (#4511397)
Didn't Don Mattingly make a similar flub in his first year with the Dodgers? Does Thompson have any managerial experience at the pro level?
   67. Dale Sams Posted: August 02, 2013 at 01:35 PM (#4511404)
Didn't Don Mattingly make a similar flub in his first year with the Dodgers? Does Thompson have any managerial experience at the pro level?


You're thinking of his second trip to the mound I suspect.

I know the Seattle gaffe has happened before, but still can't find it. I suspect it's Mel Allen/This Week in Baseball old.
   68. Dale Sams Posted: August 02, 2013 at 01:41 PM (#4511410)
I'm sure for example we could find Tiger fans who were outraged


Much more likely are those who were outraged that Granderson was let go for monetary reasons*, while letting that punch less shrub Jackson take CF. (That's Tiger fan sarcasm..not me speaking)

Speaking of which...did he get hurt? Quite a drop off between last year and this one.

*Is that true? I just looked at his contract and it's a steal.
   69. villageidiom Posted: August 02, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4511411)
Until the manager says the name of the pitcher coming in to the ump how can it be official? As others have said, if there were 2 LH or 2 RH pitchers out there then what?
IIRC it was the manager's second visit, so a substitution was official the moment he left the dugout and headed toward the mound. All that remained was some communication about which pitcher. He did that, in a way that the bullpen, the umpires, and everyone watching the game understood. Then he corrected himself.

If the umpire had signalled the substitution to the PA announcer I think it's a done deal at that point. If it was before the correction, too bad.

   70. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 02, 2013 at 01:42 PM (#4511412)
One thing I'll note is that Thompson didn't seem to argue it at all. That makes me think it IS in fact a correct ruling


In the article, he basically plays the scared newbie. "If that's a rule, I didn't know," etc. I don't know if that's a fair representation of his actual thought process, but he's an interim manager who is in the hospital having just had a stroke, it's entirely possible that he doesn't know the rule book that well right now.

I suspect a great amount of amusement could be had by going back and reading the hysterical rantings of various fans after some prospect was dealt away.


I think I had some interesting things to say about trading away Andy Marte for Coco Crisp.
   71. Dale Sams Posted: August 02, 2013 at 01:49 PM (#4511423)
I think I had some interesting things to say about trading away Andy Marte for Coco Crisp.


That happened so quickly, I think the narrative around my neighborhood was..."I guess they know what they're doing"
   72. Famous Original Joe C Posted: August 02, 2013 at 02:07 PM (#4511437)
I fondly remember my first days at this site and how many Sox fans felt like Dennis Tankersley for Ed Sprague was a low point for the franchise.


Yeah, I felt that way for 2001 (the season after the trade) at least: 1.98 ERA, 173/44 K/BB, 9 HR in 136 innings across three levels, including a 104/31 K/BB across 84 innings at AA and AAA. Even just now on checking his number I realized I had forgotten how quickly his major league career went.

Plus, Ed Sprague! He had been a replacement level player since his good 1996 season, In fact, when he arrived in Boston, he had accrued exactly 0.0 bWAR since the start of the 1997 season. There was no need to trade a 21 year old starter getting 10 Ks per 9 with reasonable control for someone like that, and given the other moves of that era (Brogna, Bichette, Lansing) it became a symbol of the lack of imagination that seemed to characterize the late Duquette era in Boston, where he went from finding scrap heap guys and finding them roles where they could succeed (Troy O'Leary, Reggie Jefferson), he just started adding boring and/or washed up veterans, often at the cost of one of the few prospects in what I recall being a fairly weak farm system at the time.

Dan's a good GM, and he made some fine moves in Boston as well (Damon, Manny, Pedro!, etc.), but he really missed an opportunity with the seasons he got from Pedro and Nomar in 2000. Construct an average team around them and you win 95 games.
   73. SteveF Posted: August 02, 2013 at 02:11 PM (#4511442)
I wonder to what extent the illegal pitcher substitution (was it earlier this year?) where the umpires were fined/disciplined played into this. This rule could have been stressed to a degree in some memo that led to the umpires being particularly strict in interpreting the pitcher substitution rule. (Edit: Strict really isn't the right word here given the actual rulebook is pretty vague -- essentially silent -- on what counts as a communication to the umpire about the identity of the substitute.)
   74. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 02, 2013 at 02:41 PM (#4511461)
Fay Vincent sent a memo about this in 1992. Its valid.
   75. Charlie O Posted: August 02, 2013 at 03:57 PM (#4511535)
thank god the manager didn't scratch his nuts when he first went to the mound; I am not sure what the umpires would have demanded.


That's the signal to call in Oliver Perez so it wouldn't have made any difference.
   76. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 02, 2013 at 06:00 PM (#4511644)
"Sorry, Pete Gray, you signaled with your left hand - Perez is coming in."

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