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Monday, July 15, 2019

Red Sox acquire Cashner from O’s for rotation

The Red Sox filled a big need with 18 days to spare before the July 31 Trade Deadline, acquiring righty starter Andrew Cashner from the Orioles in exchange for Minor League infielder Noelberth Romero and Minor League outfielder Elio Prado on Saturday.

Cashner will report to the Red Sox on Sunday and make his first start on Tuesday against the Blue Jays at Fenway Park, president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski said.

The fifth spot in the rotation has been a weakness for the Red Sox since Nathan Eovaldi went down in mid-April with a right elbow injury.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 15, 2019 at 11:31 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: July 15, 2019 at 05:22 PM (#5862064)
Looking over the prospects:

Noelberth Romero is the only player in B-R's database named 'Noelberth'. Wouldn't have guessed that. Anyway, he's 17 and in the Dominican Summer League. So who knows.

Prado... is another 17 year old in the DSL. I won't even try to figure out the significance of teenager's statistics in the DSL.

I was hoping to have something insightful to say here, but that hope has been frustrated. Cashner, meanwhile, is Cashner. A cromulent pitcher.

!!!

I'm going to hijack my own post. I initially wrote 'crumulent', and the spell-correct on Primer changed it to 'cromulent'. Which I (at least, for one) find hilarious, since if auto correct likes it, I think that officially makes it A Word, and the original joke (IIR the Simpsons C) about 'cromulent' was that it's not a word.
   2. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: July 15, 2019 at 05:35 PM (#5862066)
Cashner has developed a very good change-up. He's been strong since the beginning of June.
   3. Walt Davis Posted: July 15, 2019 at 05:36 PM (#5862067)
Pretty sure it's in at least of the big-name dictionaries now.
   4. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: July 15, 2019 at 05:47 PM (#5862071)
Cromulent was long ago added to the dictionaries... Yet another hint that it's over, Fox, time to retire the show.

Anyway, seems like a decent enough pickup. Cashner has bounced back to.... cromulence. His peripherals have always... been worse than cromulent... but you could do worse than him as a 5th starter.
   5. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 15, 2019 at 05:59 PM (#5862073)
I dunno, I thought only the Sox' relievers had beards like that.
   6. Man o' Schwar Posted: July 15, 2019 at 06:01 PM (#5862076)
Cashner has developed a very good change-up. He's been strong since the beginning of June.

Are you saying that the change-up has helped him embiggen his role?
   7. John DiFool2 Posted: July 15, 2019 at 06:57 PM (#5862089)
I'm going to hijack my own post. I initially wrote 'crumulent', and the spell-correct on Primer changed it to 'cromulent'. Which I (at least, for one) find hilarious, since if auto correct likes it, I think that officially makes it A Word, and the original joke (IIR the Simpsons C) about 'cromulent' was that it's not a word.


Which makes me wonder if the Nanny is still doing her thang. Lessee what she thinks of Ol' George Carlin: #### piss #### #### ########## ############ tits.

Heh, she likes two of them.
   8. escabeche Posted: July 16, 2019 at 07:06 AM (#5862168)
Dan Connolly, in the Athletic, writes:

"So, why in the world would the worst pitching team in baseball trade away its best veteran pitcher to a division rival for two Venezuelan lottery tickets?

Because, wait for it … This is what a complete rebuild looks like."

Why do people keep saying things like this? We have seen a lot of rebuilds. None of them looked as bad as this. Nobody else is putting a team on the field that could legitimately lose 120 games. Who is Cashner blocking? Who was Jonathan Schoop blocking? The amount of money we're talking about is trivial. If we keep Cashner until the end of the season and get nothing for him, but there are 10 more games in the second half we have a legitimate chance to win, that seems fine to me. It makes this season more enjoyable to watch and the effects of the team's future, sorry, Noelberth, is likely to be minimal.

   9. Zonk, your King of All that Is Real Posted: July 16, 2019 at 08:39 AM (#5862174)
Andrew Cashner is the sort of guy you trade regardless of whether you're just cashing in the season, tanking, or going a complete rebuild.

He's a soon-to-be 33 yo having a career season - and that isn't really saying a ton to begin with - who will be a FA after the season (though, I suppose he has an outside shot at triggering the 10 mil option for next year).

One can make the argument he should have fetched more than 2 lottery tickets (I'd disagree), but if this isn't a guy you shed in July for prospects -- then there wouldn't seem to be any player ever worth trading for prospects.
   10. Rusty Priske Posted: July 16, 2019 at 09:14 AM (#5862177)
Look at that headline - that seems like a pretty unbalanced trade. Who are the Sox going to use for the other four spots?
   11. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: July 16, 2019 at 09:28 AM (#5862179)
Why do people keep saying things like this? We have seen a lot of rebuilds. None of them looked as bad as this.


Have we all forgotten the Astros' rebuild? They lost 106, 107, and 111 games in consecutive years. In addition, the Astros were in the relatively weak NL Central for the first two years of that stretch. Who knows how those Houston teams would have fared in the AL East.
   12. escabeche Posted: July 16, 2019 at 10:40 AM (#5862198)
but if this isn't a guy you shed in July for prospects

We shed Zach Britton for prospects. We shed Kevin Gausman for prospects. If we'd shed Cashner for prospects, I'd be fine; but, as you say, Cashner isn't really worth prospects, and we shed him for nothing. Which isn't to say I don't like Casher. I do! He was worth more to the 2019 Orioles than he's worth on the market.

Have we all forgotten the Astros' rebuild? They lost 106, 107, and 111 games in consecutive years

The team the Orioles put on the field last year was worse than any of those Astros teams, and the team they have on the field for the rest of this year is worse than last year's team. I'm not saying they don't have to rebuild. But a version of the team where you keep Cashner around is gonna be more like the worst of the Astros, who were still sending 34-year-old Erik Bedard out there every fifth day.
   13. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: July 16, 2019 at 11:02 AM (#5862205)
2013 34 Houston Astros $1,150,000 9.146 contracts

2019 32 Baltimore Orioles $9,500,000 8.126

See if you can spot the slight difference between Bedard and Cashner.
   14. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: July 16, 2019 at 06:11 PM (#5862379)
Which makes me wonder if the Nanny is still doing her thang. Lessee what she thinks of Ol' George Carlin: #### piss #### #### ########## ############ tits.

Heh, she likes two of them.


Thank you for your service.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: July 16, 2019 at 06:27 PM (#5862386)
Who knows how those Houston teams would have fared in the AL East.

The AL East of the time, maybe pretty poorly. But the 2019 AL East is not a strong division. The O's aren't the only terrible team and even the good teams aren't all that dominant. Top teams outside of their division:

Yanks +6
Rays +11
Red Sox +7
Twins +15
Cle +6
Astros +5
A's +12
Rangers +8

Thanks to O's and Jays, the AL East is 12 under against the rest of baseball. And the NL leads 91-74 in inter-league -- i.e. so far, the average NL team is a playoff-caliber team against the AL.

But yeah, the last time we saw a team this bad might have been the 2003 Tigers -- who were so spooked by how awful they were, they went out and spent pretty good money just not to embarrass themselves again.

Still, you can't blame the O's. It's quite possible the 2019 Tigers are actually worse and the Jays haven't started trading their decent players yet and, after a run of competence, the Marlins are 4-11 in their last stretch. So it's gonna be a tough battle for the #1 draft slot. (Tigers are 7-28 in June/July with a very full schedule ahead of them.)
   16. Banta Posted: July 17, 2019 at 01:15 PM (#5862567)
Lessee what she thinks of Ol' George Carlin: #### piss #### #### ########## ############ tits.

Heh, she likes two of them.


This is why I called Beltran Piss Tits in Mets gamechatter during its peak in 2005 - 2007.

Alas the Mets collapsing killed us all in ways. Piss Tits was a great man though.
   17. SoSH U at work Posted: July 17, 2019 at 01:30 PM (#5862575)
The AL East of the time, maybe pretty poorly. But the 2019 AL East is not a strong division. The O's aren't the only terrible team and even the good teams aren't all that dominant. Top teams outside of their division:


Compared with the NL Central of those years, it is.

The NL Central teams (excluding Houston) won 4 and 6 games more than they lost in those seasons (the 'Stros played in a stronger West their final tank year).

The AL East teams (excluding Baltimore) have won 25 more games than they've lost 3/5ths of the way through this season.

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