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Tuesday, December 03, 2013

Red Sox agree to deal with A.J. Pierzynski

BOOm!

Catcher A.J. Pierzynski has agreed to a deal with the Red Sox, according to a tweet from CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman.

A deal with Pierzynski would appear to end the Red Sox’ relationship with Jarrod Saltalamacchia, who was not tendered a qualifying offer last month.

Pierzynski, 36, is a 16-year veteran who played for the Rangers last season on a one-year deal, hitting .272/.297/.425 with 17 home runs and 70 RBIs in 134 games. He previously spent eight seasons with the White Sox and also has played for the Giants (2004) and Twins (1998-2003).

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   1. GregD Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:14 AM (#4609357)
I hear he's great in the clubhouse
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:19 AM (#4609365)
As I needed more reasons to hate the Red Sox.
   3. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:24 AM (#4609368)
####### #### balls. I hate that #########.
   4. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:24 AM (#4609369)
The Sox backpfeifengesicht quotient is through the roof. THROUGH THE FREAKING ROOF!
   5. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:25 AM (#4609371)
I look forward to the McCann vs Pierzynski a55h0le wars in the AL East this year.
   6. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:27 AM (#4609372)
Coke to [3].
   7. Textbook Editor Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:28 AM (#4609373)
I hate this guy. Hate him. Hate, hate, hate him. I really, truly hope this is a one-year deal, but I know I won't be that lucky.

I can't think of another FA they've signed that I hate more than this guy.
   8. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:33 AM (#4609379)
I love AJ. He is so much fun to sports hate and boo. He was great on my team and even better on other teams. Baseball will be lesser when he is gone. Sports needs more heels.
   9. just plain joe Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:40 AM (#4609385)
I want to hear what Jack Keefe has to say about this.
   10. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:42 AM (#4609387)
   11. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:44 AM (#4609389)
So, assuming there's any sort of competition between the Yankees and BoSox for a playoff spot this year, I think a McCann/AJ brawl is all but inevitable.
   12. TFTIO Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:44 AM (#4609390)
It's perfect.
   13. MikeinMI Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:46 AM (#4609393)
What happens to Lavarnway?
   14. AROM Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:46 AM (#4609396)
I like this deal. Helps me focus my hate. Having Napoli on the Red Sox is just not right, makes me feel conflicted.
   15. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:54 AM (#4609399)
Pierzynski is a #########, but he can play catcher and it's a 1 year deal. I like it.
   16. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:56 AM (#4609400)
Those likable Red Sox just keep getting more likable.
   17. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:57 AM (#4609401)
So, assuming there's any sort of competition between the Yankees and BoSox for a playoff spot this year, I think a McCann/AJ brawl is all but inevitable.
Then one of them will die in a plane crash and the other will catch for another 15 years.
   18. Answer Guy Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:59 AM (#4609403)
Really? Ugh.
   19. Nasty Nate Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:00 AM (#4609404)
What happens to Lavarnway?


The 2 catchers ahead of him on the depth chart are both old, so I would guess he'll get some chunks of playing time.
   20. Publius Publicola Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4609408)
While I understate the hate, it seems to me he's been pretty quiet lately. I'm not aware of any dust ups he's been in the last few years. Maybe he's mellowed.
   21. Bitter Mouse Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:05 AM (#4609409)
he can play catcher


He is poised over the cliff. Perhaps he can hold off doom for a year or more, but the cliff is there waiting and can strike any day.

Maybe he's mellowed.


I hope not.
   22. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:06 AM (#4609410)
What happens to Lavarnway?


My gut is that Lavarnway is playing somewhere else next year. It's pretty clear that the Sox don't think much of him. I'm not sold that's the right call but the way they've acted the last couple of years makes it clear they aren't in the Ryan Lavarnway business. Hell, when Ross was on the DL last year Lavarnway could barely get in a game.
   23. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:09 AM (#4609416)
I agree with Bitter's 8 and 21. I love A.J., but I can't help feeling the end is nigh.

   24. Textbook Editor Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:12 AM (#4609419)
My gut is that Lavarnway is playing somewhere else next year. It's pretty clear that the Sox don't think much of him. I'm not sold that's the right call but the way they've acted the last couple of years makes it clear they aren't in the Ryan Lavarnway business. Hell, when Ross was on the DL last year Lavarnway could barely get in a game.


If I was anyone needing catching help for cheap over the next 2-3 years, I certainly would be calling the Red Sox this morning about Lavarnway. Maybe he's a bat-first catcher, but for what he'd make you can put up with that if he hits around league average, and I suspect with regular playing time he'd do that.

It'll be interesting to see how this fits in with whatever they plan to do with Ellsbury. I've assumed for a while now that Ellsbury's not ever coming back, but deals like this make me wonder if resources aren't being reserved to make a 6/$120 offer and hope for the best. I think Ellsbury likely gets more than that... but perhaps not.
   25. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:14 AM (#4609423)
I love AJ. He is so much fun to sports hate and boo. He was great on my team and even better on other teams. Baseball will be lesser when he is gone. Sports needs more heels.


Couldn't agree more. I'm the world's only loyal Matt Cooke fan.

I only wish he'd grow a goatee and wear sunglasses all the time and start showing up everywhere public he goes with a woman on each arm.
   26. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:47 AM (#4609447)
Ugh.
   27. KT's Pot Arb Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4609452)
Just when you thought the Sox team couldn't get uglier...
   28. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:57 AM (#4609462)
for folks too young to know or remember if you want an idea of what Thurman munson was like versus the bs spooned out by the media nowadays aj is a pretty good idea

munson was a much superior player. but he was in the ballpark of aj's perceived difficult persona. most ballplayers thought munson was a crybaby and a jerk. certainly that was the image munson projected on the field. in the clubhouse and off the field munson could be very different (in a good way)

but you can't say that munson was considered a jerk nowadays for obvious reasons. but at the TIME that was the sentiment.
   29. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:01 PM (#4609468)
My enduring memory of Saltalamacchia will be the game my brother and I were at on May 26, 2012. The Sox trailed 2-1 going into the ninth, with Fernando Rodney coming on. We’d migrated down to Pesky’s pole as people had left, and I’d had a chance to heckle Rodney, telling him he was going to blow the save. Nava walked, moved to second on a sacrifice, and then I told my brother that Salty was going to hit a walk off.

And he did.

I will miss you, Big Stupid Swing.
   30. The Non-Catching Molina (sjs1959) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:03 PM (#4609470)
for folks too young to know or remember if you want an idea of what Thurman munson was like versus the bs spooned out by the media nowadays aj is a pretty good idea

munson was a much superior player. but he was in the ballpark of aj's perceived difficult persona. most ballplayers thought munson was a crybaby and a jerk. certainly that was the image munson projected on the field. in the clubhouse and off the field munson could be very different (in a good way)

but you can't say that munson was considered a jerk nowadays for obvious reasons. but at the TIME that was the sentiment.


Spot-on, Harveys. I hated AJ with the Twins, but loved him with the White Sox. That's how he is; you hate him if he's not on your team, love him if he is.
   31. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:09 PM (#4609476)
for folks too young to know or remember if you want an idea of what Thurman munson was like versus the bs spooned out by the media nowadays aj is a pretty good idea

munson was a much superior player. but he was in the ballpark of aj's perceived difficult persona. most ballplayers thought munson was a crybaby and a jerk. certainly that was the image munson projected on the field. in the clubhouse and off the field munson could be very different (in a good way)

but you can't say that munson was considered a jerk nowadays for obvious reasons. but at the TIME that was the sentiment.


He obviously shared some traits with Munson, but ol' Thurm always struck me as a sour jerk, while A.J. looks to be doing it with a bit of a wink. He seems to relish being the jackass, inside and outside the clubhouse.

Nothing beats Ozzie's quote about him:


“If you play against him, you hate him. If you play with him, you hate him a little less.”


I will miss you, Big Stupid Swing.


While Salty's swing is indeed long and not very smart, there's only one Dave McCarty.

   32. Select Storage Device Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:18 PM (#4609487)
backpfeifengesicht


Welp, that's a new favorite.
   33. Barnaby Jones Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:45 PM (#4609516)
It's amusing that people are considering McCann to be an AJ level jerkass.
   34. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:46 PM (#4609519)
WTF I hate this guy and this deal screw this asshat

8.25mil for a F!@#ing 37 year old with no on base skills, and a known jackass.

Edit: I think we signed him to basically fight Brian McCann
   35. tfbg9 Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:47 PM (#4609523)
Steamer Projection, as a Ranger I assume: .265/.302/.411

Good signing IMO, the key being its just 1 year. Ben = super genius.

Good luck Salty. Nice hair btw. I'll always cherish your walk off single in Game 2, 2013 ALCS.
   36. tfbg9 Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:51 PM (#4609529)
3 year platoon split: .280/.316/.455

That is gonna be one old-as$ catcher platoon. While it lasts.
   37. Textbook Editor Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:53 PM (#4609531)
Wait! Rosenthal is tweeting the deal is "pending a physical"! There's still a chance the Red Sox could be saved from themselves!
   38. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:57 PM (#4609533)
Good signing IMO, the key being its just 1 year.


I think we needed a 2 year catcher. Swihart is ETA 2015, the stop gap needed to be a 2 year guy, not a 1 year guy. Why couldn't we have just given Salty a higher AAV for 2 years for him to stay?

If he signs for a 2 year deal elsewhere i will be incensed, if he signs for 3, then i can understand
   39. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:58 PM (#4609536)
Wait! Rosenthal is tweeting the deal is "pending a physical"! There's still a chance the Red Sox could be saved from themselves!

Are Tonya Harding and her ex-husband currently out of jail?
   40. tfbg9 Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:58 PM (#4609537)
I would be surprised if Salty gets only 2 years.
   41. eddieot Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:01 PM (#4609541)
This was how Phils fans felt when they signed Papelbon. Karma is a ##### isn't it Boston?
   42. tfbg9 Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:04 PM (#4609543)
I have no angst whatsoever with this signing. Bring on the hate.
   43. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:12 PM (#4609551)
I know we just won the World Series, but this full-retard beyond belief.

The 37 year old (combined with the other catcher in the platoon the ages might reach 120), with 11 walks in a full season (so no OBP skills), a bigger jackass than Brian McCann, a worse influence than the Fried Chicken Gang, and we have to pay this asshat 8.25mil.
   44. Jim Kaat on a hot Gene Roof Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:19 PM (#4609554)
The Sox backpfeifengesicht quotient is through the roof.


I have no idea what that means but I'm pretty sure that in the weltanshauung of all decent people, the Red Sox schweinhundes are bigger teufels than ever and so when they lose it will inspire an even more gratifying sense of schadenfreude.
   45. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:27 PM (#4609559)
a worse influence than the Fried Chicken Gang,


That's nuts. He had one season in SF where everyone hated him, and the team still went 91-71. He's played in four different places, and his teams have a 1208-1068 record (.529 WP). Whatever influence he's having on his clubs, it's not showing up negatively in the W-L record.
   46. tfbg9 Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:30 PM (#4609560)
I know we just won the World Series, but this full-XXXXXXX beyond belief.


I dunno, both these guys are pretty durable catchers, and if you get good D and 20 HR's out of the C slot, spot 'em right, that's fine and dandy. It's one year. That's the key.


   47. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:30 PM (#4609561)
Oh thank God!

There had been rumors the Twins were interested in reuniting with that ############.
   48. villageidiom Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:37 PM (#4609566)
This was how Phils fans felt when they signed Papelbon. Karma is a ##### isn't it Boston?
If karma for not having to pay Papelbon > $50m for 4 years is winning a WS and having to endure Pierzynski for one year, then thank you karma.
   49. villageidiom Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:47 PM (#4609579)
Edit: I think we signed him to basically fight Brian McCann
So what's the Sterling HR call for McCann going to be?

A MCCANNON BLAST BY MCCANN!

YES HE MCCANN!

MCCANN YOU BELIEVE IT!

WELL #### ME IN MCCANN! A HOME RUN!

What happens to Lavarnway?
AAA until the first injury, traded when whichever catching prospect emerges midseason as a capable replacement.

Where will Saltalamacchia land?
   50. Sonic Youk Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:47 PM (#4609580)
Leaving aside the douchfactor, I just don't understand this. Wanting a 1 year deal makes sense, but then why not at least offer salty the QO? He's basically a win better, and not 37. What are the sox planning on doing with all this payroll room? The idea is to get better.
   51. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:52 PM (#4609583)
I think the first real disconnect I've had with BBTF is that McCann is the jerk and not Carlos Gomez. The ground beneath my feet will never feel so solid again.
   52. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:55 PM (#4609586)
Leaving aside the douchfactor, I just don't understand this. Wanting a 1 year deal makes sense, but then why not at least offer salty the QO? He's basically a win better, and not 37. What are the sox planning on doing with all this payroll room? The idea is to get better.

I assume they're freeing up salary to try to retain Ellsbury.
   53. gehrig97 Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:55 PM (#4609587)
Now, I don't know the man personally, of course, but from what I've read he's regarded in many quarters as the biggest ####### in baseball. So the biggest collection of ######## in baseball has just added the biggest ####### in baseball to their ####### ####### roster.

Man, I wish the Yankees were good and I could take some gloating satisfaction in beating the Red Six next year... but I fear the Yanks are a 500 team.
   54. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4609588)
BTW I too was at the walk-off against Rodney game. An awesome day.

Fare thee well Salty.
   55. villageidiom Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:58 PM (#4609590)
I think the first real disconnect I've had with BBTF is that McCann is the jerk and not Carlos Gomez.
Was anyone stipulating that Carlos Gomez wasn't a jerk in that particular scenario?
   56. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: December 03, 2013 at 01:58 PM (#4609591)
Now, I don't know the man personally, of course, but from what I've read he's regarded in many quarters as the biggest ####### in baseball. So the biggest collection of winners in baseball has just added the biggest ####### in baseball to their World Series winning roster.


FTFY. ;)


   57. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 02:00 PM (#4609593)
Was anyone stipulating that Carlos Gomez wasn't a jerk in that particular scenario?


Well, he was at least less of a jerk. Unlike McCann, he realized that he did something wrong and subsequently apologized for it.
   58. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 03, 2013 at 02:03 PM (#4609596)
Leaving aside the douchfactor, I just don't understand this. Wanting a 1 year deal makes sense, but then why not at least offer salty the QO? He's basically a win better, and not 37.


I imagine the Sox believe that the low-90s OPS+ Saltalamacchia from 2007-2012 is far more likely to show up next year than the career-year guy we saw in 2013, a notion the small sample size of the 2013 playoffs did nothing to disabuse. In that case, he's not better than your standard-issue A.J. season, though admittedly less likely to go cliff diving.

Well, he was at least less of a jerk. Unlike McCann, he realized that he did something wrong and subsequently apologized for it.


Gomez also got dinged for it, which McCann didn't (and should have). Couple that with McCann's talking to of Fernandez earlier in the month and he got himself a reputation as an enforcer for the right way to play, which BTF typically balks at.

And, of course, now he's a Yankee, which it's been scientifically proven raises one's jerkiness figure 2.7 times above the bonus that one already gets for being a Brave (and all the Sam stuff that accompanies it).
   59. Nasty Nate Posted: December 03, 2013 at 02:10 PM (#4609600)
In related news, the Sox' ZiPS projections are now available.
   60. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: December 03, 2013 at 02:17 PM (#4609609)
Is there a BBTF pool on who the first member of the Red Sox -- whether player, coach, front office, janitor, or whatever -- to be punched in the testicles will be?
   61. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: December 03, 2013 at 02:18 PM (#4609611)
sosh

regarding munson he absolutely projected the jerk/crybaby attitude to many. but there are folks who swear that there was another side to munson and I don't want to completely p8ss on someone's grave. (especially since at some point there will be a line to do so on mine)

so that's my qualifier.
   62. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: December 03, 2013 at 02:18 PM (#4609612)
I think we needed a 2 year catcher. Swihart is ETA 2015, the stop gap needed to be a 2 year guy, not a 1 year guy. Why couldn't we have just given Salty a higher AAV for 2 years for him to stay?


They have Christian Vasquez in AAA along with Lavarnway if he does something this year.
   63. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 03, 2013 at 02:21 PM (#4609616)
And, of course, now he's a Yankee, which it's been scientifically proven raises one's jerkiness figure 2.7 times above the bonus that one already gets for being a Brave (and all the Sam stuff that accompanies it).

Well, sure, now that he's a Yankee I won't be so quick to stick up for him. McCann just strikes me as a guy with a quick temper when provoked and Fernandez and Gomez were actively looking for trouble. Fernandez just strikes me as a typical cocky kid who's been too good to have been humbled yet and Gomez, who I generally like, was just weird in that game. I've never seen a player step into the box the way he did for that at bat. It's like he'd (spoiler alert) just found out Walter White poisoned his girlfriend's kid. McCann's self designated "defender of the right way to play" is just defensiveness about him losing his temper and he's probably embarrassed by it. I give him a pass, though, because I get why he'd lose his temper in those situations. His mistakes are mistakes of reaction so I don't think he's anywhere near the villain AJ is (and I say villain in jest as I don't think AJ has ever done anything really awful). Anyway, sorry for the digression.
   64. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 03, 2013 at 02:23 PM (#4609619)
regarding munson he absolutely projected the jerk/crybaby attitude to many.


I'm not disputing that. All I'm saying is that, to me, A.J. projects a guy who enjoys the hell out of pissing everybody off in a way that Munson didn't.
   65. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: December 03, 2013 at 02:30 PM (#4609627)
Well, sure, now that he's a Yankee I won't be so quick to stick up for him. McCann just strikes me as a guy with a quick temper when provoked and Fernandez and Gomez were actively looking for trouble.

You have to ask yourself why those 2 were actively looking for trouble in the first place. Coincidentally against the same team. People don't just go off, without somebody setting them off.
   66. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 03, 2013 at 02:41 PM (#4609647)
You have to ask yourself why those 2 were actively looking for trouble in the first place. Coincidentally against the same team. People don't just go off, without somebody setting them off.

The Braves face hundreds of players a year who don't start fights with them. So maybe you have to ask yourself why Gomez and Fernandez couldn't control themselves. (Am I doing this right?)
   67. KT's Pot Arb Posted: December 03, 2013 at 02:53 PM (#4609659)
I watched the replay a dozen times and had trouble discerning the nearly imperceptible amount of extra time Fernandez spent in the box after his first ever MLB home run.

I keep hoping McCann doesn't immediately produce proof of insurance to a state trooper and gets tazed and severely beaten for not "doing things the right way".
   68. Swoboda is freedom Posted: December 03, 2013 at 02:57 PM (#4609666)
So what's the Sterling HR call for McCann going to be?

McCann not believe my eyes.
   69. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 03, 2013 at 03:00 PM (#4609667)
McCann not believe my eyes.

Jeez, you've probably nailed it. Seriously.
   70. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 03, 2013 at 03:01 PM (#4609668)
So what's the Sterling HR call for McCann going to be?


I'm partial to "McCann you believe it's September 14th and that's just his third homer."
   71. flournoy Posted: December 03, 2013 at 03:05 PM (#4609673)
You have to ask yourself why those 2 were actively looking for trouble in the first place. Coincidentally against the same team. People don't just go off, without somebody setting them off.


Perhaps not, but McCann certainly didn't set either of those two off.

Fernandez didn't really "go off," anyway. If anyone in that incident "went off," it was Chris Johnson, who was set off by Fernandez, I guess.

Carlos Gomez had clearly already "gone off" before the incident began.
   72. tfbg9 Posted: December 03, 2013 at 03:14 PM (#4609682)
Steamer Projections:

Salty: .230/.301/.414/wOBA:.312

AJ: .265/.302/.411/wOBA:.310

ZIPS for AJ: .267/.297/.430/wOBA:.312

   73. eric Posted: December 03, 2013 at 03:37 PM (#4609703)
McCann not believe my eyes.

Jeez, you've probably nailed it. Seriously.


"McCann you believe it" flows a little better. So yeah, it'll probably be the other one.
   74. Dale Sams Posted: December 03, 2013 at 03:44 PM (#4609716)
So...so far the Sox have let about 42 million and 14 WAR walk out the door...and have spent 8 million on a 37 year old catcher.

"Flags fly forever flags fly forever...go to your happy place..."
   75. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 03, 2013 at 04:15 PM (#4609755)
...go to your happy place..."


Wait. Tediously complaining about the incompetence of the Red Sox front office isn't your happy place?

   76. DL from MN Posted: December 03, 2013 at 04:17 PM (#4609757)
Red Sox agree to deal with A.J. Pierzynski


Somebody has to deal with him. Glad he's not my favorite team's problem.
   77. Morton's Fork Posted: December 03, 2013 at 04:24 PM (#4609766)
Cherington has put the Sox in a good situation; they can comfortably go after either Napoli or Ellsbury and not care too much which one they get. As long as they get one or the other.

At this point it's clear that the Sox really like Christian Vazquez' chances of being the everyday catcher within a year's time.
   78. Nasty Nate Posted: December 03, 2013 at 05:13 PM (#4609818)
So...so far the Sox have let about 42 million and 14 WAR walk out the door...and have spent 8 million on a 37 year old catcher.


So far the Sox have won zero games in 2014. Oil up the pitchforks!
   79. dave h Posted: December 03, 2013 at 05:42 PM (#4609855)
so far the Sox have let about 42 million and 14 WAR walk out the door


I'm pretty sure if the 14 WAR walk out the door, they get to keep the 42 million.
   80. Famous Original Joe C Posted: December 03, 2013 at 06:09 PM (#4609885)
I know we just won the World Series, but this full-retard beyond belief.


Nope, it isn't. I didn't want the Sox to pay Saltalamacchia for his career year, and you shouldn't either. They have plenty of organizational depth at C, and a prospect to be a starter in Swihart hopefully coming in the next year or two. He's been just as valuable as Salty over the past three seasons, and while he obviously has more downside risk due to age, he costs ALOT less money for fewer years, which means they can spend that money elsewhere on someone who might actually be a decent risk. $8.25M ain't what it used to be. Yeah, he's supposedly an #######, but whatever, so are a bunch of other guys who you've never heard of as such.

So...so far the Sox have let about 42 million and 14 WAR walk out the door...and have spent 8 million on a 37 year old catcher.


Didn't you learn your lesson after ######## about every single move the Red Sox made last offseason and predicting they'd finish well out of playoff contention?
   81. Swedish Chef Posted: December 03, 2013 at 06:16 PM (#4609894)
So what's the Sterling HR call for McCann going to be?

"Another one in the McCann!"
   82. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: December 03, 2013 at 07:11 PM (#4609953)
I'll miss you, World Series champion Saltalamonkeyface!
   83. Dale Sams Posted: December 03, 2013 at 07:48 PM (#4609984)
Didn't you learn your lesson after ######## about every single move the Red Sox made last offseason and predicting they'd finish well out of playoff contention?


You bunny boilers are in full force this year. While I'm flattered by your stalking, I don't know you from ####. I know #### from shinola and you sir are not shinola.

tl;dr:

If I'm not allowed to ##### about the Sox signing AJFUCKINGPIERZYNSKI, put me on block and go die in a F*****g fire.
   84. Dale Sams Posted: December 03, 2013 at 07:51 PM (#4609985)
"Another one in the McCann!"


He's gonna change it up.

"Yes he Can! Can! Can! Spectacular spectacular!"
   85. Nasty Nate Posted: December 03, 2013 at 08:05 PM (#4609991)
You bunny boilers are in full force this year. While I'm flattered by your stalking


I don't really understand calling it stalking for people to notice the content of posts on a public message board. If people aren't supposed to read the posts, why even make them publicly?
   86. Dale Sams Posted: December 03, 2013 at 08:29 PM (#4610010)
Nate, because *I* respond to the post. Not the poster. I frankly don't care enough to notice (and ridiculously misattribute) a posters habits. Funnily enough YOU'VE ####### about my posts enough that I do know who you are, and like a server waiting on a cranky regular at a restaurant...I've lost any animus I may have had. I don't know Joe. And I'm sick of being jumped for making reasonable complaints.

I said in the offseason that the Sox would miss the playoffs? WOW. Crazy prediction. The same one that 99% of everyone else in the world made, but crazy. I know.

I ####### about every move the FO made in the 2012 off-season? Hardly. I complained the most about Melancon for Hanrahan and was shouted down. How'd that work out? The bulk of the rest of the moves, I MAY have said I was non-plussed about. But since 2013 appeared to be a bridge/get within shouting distance of a playoff spot, I didn't see any reason about ######## about the other moves.

In-season? I ####### about Farrell's closer-mentality lovefest with Bailey. Rightly so. I ####### about Peavy for Iglesias. While a defensible move, it proved (IMO) to be an unnessecery one. I ####### about Gomes over Nava because it was ####### insane and I felt like I was taking crazy pills when at a supposedly forward thinking site, people would say "It worked".

But I've also heaped tons and tons of praise, but THAT gets overlooked of course.

So...again...if someone has so little to do in their lives but to jump me and make ridiculous attributions...block me and move out of your parents basement.

Except you Nate, I love you.
   87. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:02 PM (#4610030)
I'm just seeing this now. My reaction:

WAIT WHAT THE #### AND SALTY ONLY GOT $7M PER YEAR?!?!?!?!
   88. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 03, 2013 at 09:47 PM (#4610068)
Only had to spend 13 mil total dollars to get Salty over AJP, and a much lower AAV + more years of service (could have traded Salty if prospects ready)

   89. Textbook Editor Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:09 PM (#4610089)
Only had to spend 13 mil total dollars to get Salty over AJP, and a much lower AAV + more years of service (could have traded Salty if prospects ready)


But there's no guarantee teams will line up and take his whole contract off your hands after 2014 if you decide you don't need him (or after 2015). If the BABIP fairy doesn't visit him in 2014, his numbers will crater and he doesn't have a defensive rep to fall back on... Who's lining up to take on a 2/$14 contract for a cratered veteran C who switch-hits but can't hit LHP for shite?

I hate AJ--I do--but I hate a 3-year deal for Salty (even for an AAV of $7 million) even more. AJ's gone in a year and I never have to think about him ever again.

And yes, that's rationalizing.
   90. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:15 PM (#4610094)
I think for 21/3, Salty would have taken a say 17/2 offer to stay. I would have taken 17/2 on Salty over 8.25 over AJ, and I think Salty would have taken 17/2 over 21/3. I wouldn't give Salty that 3rd year either, but a 8.5/1 catcher with Salty's rep is easily movable, and if our prospects tank we still have a decent catcher for one more year.

   91. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:20 PM (#4610100)
Just when you thought the Sox team couldn't get uglier...


Imagine how much of a douche he's gonna look like after he doesn't shave for six months.
   92. Textbook Editor Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:24 PM (#4610107)
I think for 21/3, Salty would have taken a say 17/2 offer to stay. I would have taken 17/2 on Salty over 8.25 over AJ, and I think Salty would have taken 17/2 over 21/3. I wouldn't give Salty that 3rd year either, but a 8.5/1 catcher with Salty's rep is easily movable, and if our prospects tank we still have a decent catcher for one more year.


I'm guessing Salty has a bit over 6 years service time banked, right? This could simply be a matter of him wanting to get closer to the 10 years he needs for pension, etc. (To say nothing of 3/$21 being $4 million more than a potential 2/$17 deal.) It would not surprise me at all if guys like Salty look around, see the emphasis on prospects/youth and wonder how many more years they really have left if their offense goes down and they have no defensive rep at all. You might see average careers start getting shorter as teams are less likely to overpay for 30-something FAs (we're already seeing this, I think), and if that happens the average player will have a much harder time getting to the 10-year mark.

Of course, if he really craters, he may not get that 10th year from anyone, but he's more likely to get a team to take a 1-year flier on him than get a 2-year deal to take him over the 10-year mark if his performance goes south in the next 2 years.

   93. jingoist Posted: December 03, 2013 at 10:53 PM (#4610136)
This crew sure gets its pantyhose in a wad quite easily.
Its not like the Sox signed Attila the Hun or Hitler to catch for them next year....it's just a 37 year old provocateur that has had a very decent 16 year career.
Besides, his antics will endear him to his fellow Bostonians before the year is over. especially if he somehow pulls out a lost-cause win against the Yankees.
   94. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:30 PM (#4610165)
Attila the Hun


Might be better with people
   95. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:42 PM (#4610176)
49 made me laugh and laugh
   96. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:51 PM (#4610192)
To the Red Sox fans who hate this signing: It seems clear the Red Sox think they will have an in-house catcher ready for 2015. Who else would you have preferred seeing them bring in that would accept a relatively cheap one year deal?
   97. Dale Sams Posted: December 03, 2013 at 11:57 PM (#4610197)
Paste, Salty would have been perfectly acceptable for the contract the Marlins gave him. That's a tradable contract, and not too much of an overpay for the backup guy either.
   98. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 04, 2013 at 12:07 AM (#4610207)
That may be, but it's another question entirely whether you could make Saltalamacchia a backup for two years without him getting pissed off about it and creating major headaches for you. I'm sure that "If I sign this contract I expect to be a regular for its duration and I'd like your assurance that it will be so" would come up in negotiations.
   99. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 04, 2013 at 12:46 AM (#4610230)
I'd rather have Salty at 3/21 than any of the other contracts for catchers made this offseason. But Pierzynski at 1/8.5 isn't horrible. I'm very glad they didn't get McCann, or Ruiz for that matter.
   100. Nasty Nate Posted: December 04, 2013 at 12:14 PM (#4610406)
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