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Saturday, April 21, 2012
Marlon: Mutiny on the Suffolk County.
The Red Sox are “closing in on” a deal for Cubs center fielder Marlon Byrd, reports Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe.
It’s no secret the Red Sox are seeking some outfield help in the aftermath of Jacoby Ellsbury’s dislocated shoulder—not to mention Carl Crawford’s recovery from offseason wrist surgery. Thus, Marlon Byrd of the Cubs, being in the last year of his contract on a rebuilding team, makes perfect sense.
Byrd, 34, is off to a horrifying start to the 2012 season, as he’s hitting just .070/.149/.070. That’s three singles in 43 at-bats with three walks. Last season, Byrd hit .276/.324/.395 with nine homers, 35 RBI and 51 runs in 119 games. He missed time following getting hit in the face with a pitch in Fenway Park—which appears close to being his new home.
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Posted: April 21, 2012 at 01:05 PM | 69 comment(s)
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1. Dan Posted: April 21, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4112191)This is really one of the awful things about the last few years of Red Sox personnel decisions. They're spending a ton of money, but so much of it is locked up in players delivering no value that they are cheaping out on everything else. Lackey, Matsuzaka, and Crawford are making, what, $45 million combined, and can't get on the field. And I'm not sure that if they did get on the field, that it would be a good thing!
As a die-hard Sox fan, let's see what we have for through June, see if the pitching gets it together, see if Ellsbury is coming back, see if Crawford or Matsuzaka are going to be any good upon their return.
If the Sox aren't going anywhere, let's not pretend they are, at that point.
Let Lavarnway play every day at catcher.
If Iglasias is hitting a little bit in Pawtucket, let him play SS for Boston after the AS break.
Middlebrooks is hitting .377 with 6 HRs in his first 15 games at AAA this year. If he keeps hitting, let's put him at 3B later this year, and see if Youkilis can be a bat for a contender.
The pitching is a little different. Lester, Buchholz, Doubront, and Bard, you just got to let them pitch through it all.
I think the stench of 2011 is so strong for most Red Sox fans that we are cool with making 2012 a season where we end the mirage that we are still in the midst of the 2003-to-the-present run of greatness.
Pass.
Really, if Marlon Byrd is the answer, you're in a whole lot of ####.
Byrd: 243/299/364
Repko: 218/274/319
I mean, gross on both, but unless Byrd's defense is much better, how much does he really improve the team over a 2 month period? Assuming he's not toast already, maybe a couple runs?
Actually, a couple runs might actually be worth it, assuming the prospect isn't someone I like. Given how crappy they've been, they may need every tiny advantage they can get.
But, yeah, the pitch in the face and/or the mysteries of age may mean Byrd is toast.
There's always Aaron Rowand. :-)
I still have irrationally high hopes for JC Linares, so I'd prefer to see him over Marlon Byrd, but I'm coming around on the idea. Repko can't keep happening.
How about 50%?
He's lucky to be counted among living I suppose, but still. Damn.
It is Byrd and cash for Bowden and PTBNL. The Cubs are eating almost the entirety of the contract.
Who knows, perhaps by the end of July the Cubs will be spending more money to not have players on their team than they will be spending to have players on their team.
A statue would have more range. The Cubs pitching was not helped by having both Soriano and Byrd in the same outfield.
-SOSH poster
I can't wait until the Cubs send up a Campana in left, Johnson in center, and Mather in right lineup. Throw in DeWitt and at second, Baker at first, and Stewart at third at would be just like Don Baylor is managing all over again.
Don't worry. He isn't, and won't.
.220/.310/.220 so far, following his .235/.285/.269 at AAA last year.
.220/.310/.220 so far, following his .235/.285/.269 at AAA last year.
Why does anybody think this guy is a major league player?
That's better than Marlon Byrd!
C'mon now, the NL is at least AAAA.
Yes, the AL proved its superiority in the last two World Series,
Gold Glove caliber defense at a premium defensive position.
I don't think anyone meaningful thinks he's ready yet. The bar for him offensively is low because of his great defense but he has limboed under that particular bar pretty well since coming to the States. Frankly that .220/.310/.220 line is somewhat hopeful. If he can learn to draw the occasional walk then I think he's got a decent shot. If he hits .230-.240 in the current environment I think he can be an MLB regular. Not a star but certainly an acceptable starter.
Ok, but Tony Campana is awesome.
Seriously, I would LOVE Tony Campana to have an everyday player. Such a neat player and such a neat story.
And really, why NOT make him one on this incarnation of the Cubs?
The line of thinking on him is that he'll learn to hit in the majors, like Ozzie. That's what the scouts seem to think. He'll never be a great hitter, but he might slowly accumulate value with the bat enough to be decent, if he can stick with the glove. There are a lot of ifs with Iglesias.
Probably one of those semi-official "if Byrd plays decently, the Cubs get a decent PTBNL; if he sucks, they'll get a nobody or cash."
Byrd's eventual replacement is Brett Jackson 242/342/484 at AAA so far after 297/388/551 in 215 AAA AB last year. I know minor-league walk rates don't always hold up but his career line is 100 in ISOobp and 200 ISOslg. Looking more and more like a BJ Upton clone. Anyway question is whether they'll keep him down until no super-2 or let the clock start now. I say let the Joe Mather era begin!!
By the way, Rizzo still kicking along at 367/406/733.
That sounds like a really great idea for a Cubs/Red Sox trade. Leave it open-ended and figure out the details later--it's foolproof!
2. Trade a useful arm for a washed-up OF.
3. ?????
4. Profit!
1. Sign no free agents.
2. Slash payroll
3. ????
4. Winning team!
The 2002-2012 period has been one of the worst ones in Red Sox history.
So because they have two or three young crappy options one of them must pan out?
How many guys learn to hit in MLB?
All glove, no hit guys who stick. There aren't many of those.
Ozzie Smith kinda did, but I don't think he was as bad.
He was also .182/.256/.286 last September. Could be ugly, but presumably the Red Sox scouted him enough to have some idea of whether he's toast, and are not merely assuming he'll eventually meet his projections. Still, he can't pitch . . .
That's probably why they don't bother to calculate it this early. A 97 ERA+ is about what Bowden projects this year. That's below average for a reliever and last year was worth about 0.3 BB-Ref WAR. Byrd won't be a full-time player in Boston for the whole year, most likely, but I think he could beat 0.3 WAR. He's projected to be about league average. That's about a 2 WAR player. Even prorated for a portion of the season, he's likely to come out ahead of Bowden.
That bet was really meant for karlmagnus because I think he's just doing his schtick and doesn't really mean any of the things he says anymore. Or if he does, he's a fool and you know what they say about fools and their money.
Yeah, but those guys were all-time great glovemen at their peak. You don't project anybody to be a +20 fielder until you see it for a few years.
Sure but you're not gonna see it for a few years if you don't give the guy at least 400-500 PA a year for a few years. Guillen was a full-time SS at 21 and, through age 25, he had a 68 OPS+. He went on to start for another 8 years (70 OPS+). I'm not suggesting Iglesias will field well enough to hold down a job or hit even for a 68 OPS+ because I don't have a clue. I'm just saying you don't have to hit much if you've got the glove.
Brendan Ryan has had a 78 OPS+ the last 3 years ... and 7.3 WAR in 1400 PA; Jack Wilson has had 4 WAR in 850 PA with a 69 OPS+. Nick Punto has been solidly above-average over the last 3 years. But Aviles has been replacement level.
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