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Red Sox dismiss John Farrell | MLB.com

Another manager gets dismissed.

Jim Furtado Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:41 AM | 108 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:09 PM (#5550663)
Of COURSE Farrell was coming back if the Sox won the pennant or World Series and if he had done anything as reprehensible as you say he would’ve been fired on the spot.

Then it was wrong of Dombrowski to say otherwise.

He just should have said, "The team has not gone as far as we thought it could the last two seasons. We're going in a different direction."
   102. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:26 PM (#5550687)
Aw, it's sweet that y'all are so... concerned.

It's a non-answer, intended to preempt the inevitable follow-up questions of "what if you'd made the ALCS, what if you'd made/won the WS, would you have fired him then???". It is, to borrow the favored word of another Red Sox fan, a nothingburger. Don't choke on it.
   103. Mudpout Posted: October 11, 2017 at 09:36 PM (#5550699)
Agree, that line was a non-answer. Dombrowski basically said all of the things people are recommending here. He dropped "I thought it was an appropriate time to make a change for the betterment of the organization moving forward", threw in "you weigh a lot of different things that come into play, you watch day in and day out over a season, and you come up with a decision based upon that" and even put in the ol' "I think sometimes change can be better, and that's why we decided to move forward with this change".

Having said all that, when a reporter asks him if Farrell was fired because he didn't win the ALDS, does it suddenly sound smart to say "Yes, actually, we had to let him go because Sale and Kimbrel weren't able to hold the lead on Monday"?
   104. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:14 PM (#5550743)
When a GM says he's replacing the manager for reasons unrelated to the team's success on the field, it's not a "non-answer". Some folks are pretending Dombrowski didn't say what he said. If asked whether Farrell would have been fired had the Red Sox won the ALDS, he could have just said "I'm not going to deal in hypotheticals". Instead, he chose the opposite tack.
   105. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:36 PM (#5550762)
Agree, that line was a non-answer. Dombrowski basically said all of the things people are recommending here.

No. What he said is quite different than the usual answer. Almost every manager ever fired has been fired for failing to win. Saying a manager's firing is unrelated to the team's success on the field is odd, at best.
   106. Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty Posted: October 11, 2017 at 10:55 PM (#5550779)
I wonder what it's like to work for a great manager? I never have. Had a couple decent ones. That's all we can hope for in this life if you aren't the boss.
   107. Mudpout Posted: October 11, 2017 at 11:22 PM (#5550809)
#104, that's essentially what he said when he was asked whether the decision would have been different if they'd advanced to the WS, except he used "speculation" instead of "hypotheticals".

What we're all responding to is a tweet paraphrasing a small portion of the press conference. As a follow-up to a question regarding the team's baseline of success, Dombrowski was asked if a certain amount of postseason success would have negated the reasons why he wanted to make the change, and Dombrowski said simply "No." I find it difficult to read that as a cleverly orchestrated smear campaign that implies nefarious, unmentioned behavior and deep character flaws in Farrell.
   108. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: October 12, 2017 at 12:53 PM (#5551231)
Well, whatever he's done -- short of...y'know... -- I'd be insanely happy if Farrell became the pitching coach in Queens.
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