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1. winnipegwhip Posted: October 04, 2012 at 01:13 PM (#4253947)I'll bet they get Gene Lamont.
What's wrong with Ryne Sandberg, who has the experience, is desperate for a ML job and would be instantly credible as a HOF player? -- no compensation needed there, I don't think, as he's in AAA.
If they hire Farrell and give up a worthwhile prospect or two, it's further evidence of this lot's ineptitude.
Ryno just got promoted, he's now the Phillies' third base coach.
What about the rest of the coaching staff?
C - Salty (28)/Lavarnaway (25)
1B - ???
2B - Petunia (29)
SS - Iglesias? (23)
3B - Middlebrooks (24)
LF - Kalish (24)
CF - Ellsbury (29)
RF - ???
DH - ???
A few well spent dollars could make this team very, very good in short order. They're young enough to retool a last winner on the fly.
I was hoping they'd use Urbina to deliver the news to Valentine.
or Pedroia can player manage.
Here's my imaginary (and wildly unlikely) lineup:
Ellsbury CF
Pedroia 2B
Hamilton LF
Ortiz DH
Napoli 1B
Middlebrooks 3B
Kalish RF
S Drew SS
Salty C
Seriously. I remember a phone call I got from a "marketing survey" group in the summer of 2010 asking me about the Red Sox and my viewing habits. Such questions as, "Have you watched the Red Sox less this year because they didn't sign any big name free agents this offseason? Would your interest in the team increase or decrease if they signed a big name free agent this coming offseason?" Etc.
Not being a marketing person and being a huge baseball fan, I gave the BBTF-approved correct answers to these questions. Never did I realize that this was the beginning of the end of the team's competent baseball operational structure. No wonder Theo got out.
The Phillies just dropped Pete Mackanin. He's done well as an interim twice, and would probably make a pretty good manager. Kind of middling on the buddy vs. hardass scale, but always remarkably drama-free, which might be a nice change after this year.
You are probably right. If you sub Ross in for Hamilton and shuffle the order a little, my lineup in #16 becomes much more plausible.
Maury Wills.
This really happened? First time I've ever heard of something like this.
Holy sh*t.
neither
Yes it did. Couldn't believe it myself. They asked questions about specific players -- on a rating scale of 1 to 5, how much do you like this player? Was stunning.
Remember, this was 2010 -- the year that John Lackey was the big free agent signing. There were a lot of comments in the media about NESN's ratings decreasing that spring.
Yes it did. Couldn't believe it myself. They asked questions about specific players -- on a rating scale of 1 to 5, how much do you like this player? Was stunning.
Remember, this was 2010 -- the year that John Lackey was the big free agent signing. There were a lot of comments in the media about NESN's ratings decreasing that spring.
That is depressing as hell. So if it was the summer of 2010, this was after the Lackey signing.
And then they signed Crawford that offseason.
Holy smokes. Theo wasn't lying when he said on the radio earlier this year there were a lot of moves being pressured on him in the wake of things like Jason Bay leaving.
Maybe I'm naive but I assumed most teams did that sort of thing. Why wouldn't you be doing marketing surveys like that? Obviously making moves based solely on those surveys would be a mistake but I'd at least want the data if I was John Henry.
It's that damned west coast bias Larry.
The Sox fans I've talked to here (and elsewhere) recognize that the dysfunction predates Valentine and don't blame him for everything but also don't (didn't) want him to be manager next year.
Luckily, I'm pretty sure absolutely no one thinks that, so we're all set.
Boston is welcome to Farrell. As you note, he sure doesn't seem to be anything special, and I can't think of anything he seemed to do well in the last two years in Toronto.
I watched them less this year because when the Red Sox come to Arlington on Wednesday Dollar Hot Dog Night, the Rangers cancel Dollar Hot Dog Night and charge $4 for a hot dog.
And I don't know what would make you think that Josh Hamilton/Mike Napoli would turn out any better than Carl Crawford/Adrian Gonzalez.
After TEH TRADE, that's totally plausible, and it would probably be a major force in 2013-14. One thing to note is that you'd probably be locking into a whole mess of decline phases if you actually got all of those players. Granted, that's kind of baked in to any FA splurge, but it seems particularly present here.
I was going to say that it's less present here because the FA's would all be 30-32 to start the deal, but I forgot about including Ortiz. Either way, it's probably more likely that they don't sign Hamilton and use their money on pitching and/or an Ellsbury extension.
What is this doing in the middle of the piece?
It was a bit of a story when it happened. Nothing major but one more minor media event associated with Valentine during the season.
They're older than the Red Sox last disastrous batch of big contracts though.
I was going to say that this lineup seems further away than "a few well spent dollars", but then I remembered that I'm an A's fan. So sure...anyone can win a division. I've seen it with me own eyes. Ganbatte!
That's Dave Martinez, right? I'd be OK with that (with the caveat we know almost nothing about what kind of manager any of these guys would make, and the teams know only slightly more).
Quite true, though IMO he played a significant role in moving an already sick "patient" onto the critical list.
I would doubt it. Also, the White Sox could potentially exercise their option on him.
Or Tony LaRussa.
That was a certain Primate f**king with us.
Don't know what "retool a last winner on the fly means".
That looks like a terrible lineup, even with Ortiz, Ross and a 1B. Probably the worst in the AL East. Would assume they weren't going to throw tons of money at free agents like Hamilton, LaRouche, Napoli, Edwin Jackson (8 years at $15-25 million?)as they might have learned from the Big Trade. They have more money than the Pirates , Indians and Royals but they have no more talent on the field, on the farm or in the front office.
The lineup they have been playing the last few weeks is scary bad, indicating the high minors are empty. Very little to trade on the roster as the few quality players are injury prone. The ability to spend money was always a big part of the Boston success. If they are not going to get into long-range expensive contracts with older/marginal talents, where will the better players come from?
Mauro Gomez!
What? I'm allowed to have favorites...
Well it all depends on the 1B, but that lineup looks like it's at the same level as the O's, Jays, and Rays (all of whom they outscored in 2012).
I wouldn't assume that the Sox are never going to give out a big FA deal, either.
Other experienced managers available include Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa, Lou Piniella, Tommy LaSorda & Joe Torre. Since the Red Sox are probably a few years away from contending, I expect them to go younger.
Will they even be necessary this time?
I'm actually surprised that they kept him for the duration of the season.
I think you can expect the Sox to be involved (at least by the press) in any trade or free agent negotiation between now and Spring Training. Having said that the system should be able to accommodate at least one major deal. They've got at least one substantial prospect in Bogaerts then a whole bunch of guys (Webster, de la Rosa, Bradley, Barnes) who depending on the evaluator are going to be pretty well sought after (I read Webster was the guy the Cubs were asking for in exchange for Dempster). Beyond those guys they have enough depth to build a 3-4 player deal that is pretty good. What they don't have is a top 10-15 guy though if teams think Bogaerts can stay at short he's probably that high. That doesn't seem to be the expectation though.
Anyone smart is going to make sure they get credit for a smear job. Bobby's not exactly a popular dude in the Boston area.
Boston Herald reports Bobby V was stealing painkillers from Francona
Would Ike Davis even want to manage the Sox?
If Gary DiSarcina got called, sure, he'd listen.
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