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Good show.
but yeah, this is definitely a fine coup for the sox.
Jesus.
Wouldn't it have been easier to trade Lester and cut a check for $100 million for Johan Santana and Liriano?
then it looks like you don't want to pitch in the major leagues as badly as he does.
How many innings? I am curious as to what they are looking for out of this gentleman from the east.
yes.
How many innings? I am curious as to what they are looking for out of this gentleman from the east.
300?
Ohhh, what a rotation.
Wasn't only one Sox fan calling for that? And it was karlmagnus, that doesn't even count.
No. Sub-4 in ~200 innings would be great.
don't forget pedro beato!
heya meat! so how's jason marquis looking?
No. Sub-4 in ~200 innings would be great.
After all this drama, I expect nothing less than a runaway Cy Young campaign.
Most of SoSH was calling for Boras to be disbarred or de-certified. It was in the thread right after the one discussing how the lineup would look with Miguel Cabrera after he came to the Red Sox along with prospects for Manny.
If the Twins would have agreed to that, I'm sure the Sox would have done that.
so what are the boys at gotham baseball saying about the mets these days?
Well, at least we're not exaggerating. Find me these posts where people were demanding this.
Wouldn't 111.11 be more appropriate?
200 innings of 4 ERA ball. That's all we really need for it to be worth it. Everything else is gravy.
Calling for Boras to be disbarred is no more absurd than calling for the Mets to be awarded Matsuzaka because the Red Sox were not negotiating in good faith - which lots of people were doing on this site. They were equally silly comments.
All of them.
They have a vacancy at first base. Get Alex Cabrera!
the day one of their myriad rumors comes true is the day I might pay attention- you'd think they would have gotten one right by random chance by now.
Gotham Baseball has a staff of about 5 people. Half of them aren't Mets fans. In contrast, according to SoSH, it has maintained a reputation as one of the most well-informed and introspective Red Sox discussion communities on the 'net and has e web's brightest and most passionate Red Sox fans .
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/
At one point, Carroll offered to bet Dibble over the matter, but Dibble responded, sort of humorously and endearingly in the sense the disdain was earnest, "I've played in the major leagues. I don't need to bet you."
A few minutes ago, Orestes (Emotionally) Destrade (thanks, Chris Berman) came on and said, "No, no. Matsusaka's the real deal." Dibble and Kennedy accepted that, and then Dibble added that O was looking at the player, the talent, not the numbers.
But I've gotta tell you, Dibble and Kennedy discussing Baseball Prospectus is like a Flintstones-Meet-the-Jetsons type of moment.
according to who? sosh? ok, continue ...
it has maintained a reputation as one of the most well-informed and introspective Red Sox discussion communities on the 'net and has e web's brightest and most passionate Red Sox fans .
hahahahahaha!!!
League factors and translations were invented 20,000 years into Dibble's future.
I love when players say stuff like that- because I'm sure you can find a quote from the very same player praising another player and then quoting a NUMBER to back it up (usually Wins, Batting Average or RBIs).
What I wonder is this- does ESPN ever worry that attitude will piss off some of the audience- the vast majority having never played in the MLB?
This is another endearing trait of many MLB players, the service time done by minor leaguers and guys playing in foreign leagues means absolutley squat to them.
to them a guys who's played in the MLB for 7 years has "earned" the right to be a gazillionaire- he's paid his dues (flying chartered aircraft- getting meal money in excess of some average Joe's entire salary etc) whereas a guy whose played 7 years in the minors, riding buses, eating on $10 a day- that guy hasn't paid his dues he hasn't earned anything.
Why would they? The vast majority of their audience don't think like "we" do.
In fairness, it's not ESPN. It's XM Homeplate. Of course, Dibble and Kennedy are the afternoon drive (Eastern Time) show, but most of XM-HP's shows cater to a niche viewpoint: Steiner's show is from a beatwriter's perspective, hot-stove hour (or, during the season, fantasy/prospects hour) invites more numbers-based perspectives, Ronnie Lane at night invites a fan's perspective, etc.
Dibble and Kennedy resonate with people who rely on "people who played the game" for insight, who stress old-school player development and "doing things the right way." I find it often tedious (personally, I love Ronnie Lane's nighttime show out of all of them, with some Chuck Wilson mixed in), but many people seem to like it. They in essence want to be dressed down by Dibble and Kennedy, because they respect those two as authority.
DM (as in Danger Mouse or Dr Moreau)
Dai M (for murder)
Suk-Zak (sooook-zaaaaak)
or just plain 'Zak'
How has Will Carroll become the voice of Baseball Prospectus? Isn't his role with them almost exclusively limited to injury analysis?
Was anyone actually serious about that? I posted that a couple of times, but it was crazy optimism more than me actually thinking that it would happen.
Thank you, John Henry, for gambling $100M of your wealth (and even the most rabid Sox Therapudlians have to admit there's considerable risk here) for our enjoyment. :-)
I posted it- but really just to mess with the Sox fans and the Evil Emperorites.
I will be honest, I did think that there was a good chance that DM was going back to Seibu. It certainly was in his financial interest to do so- but he obviously felt that playing in the MLB now trumped that.
Is he describing facial expressions too? Who's looking at who, does Boras look like someone killed his best friend, that sort of thing?
You know- if I was the announcer, just to screw with people's heads I'd say that Lucchino was holding a bloody bandage to his nose...
No clue as to the first question, or whether it's in fact true. As to the second question, he comes on XM Homeplate occasionally, usually with Chuck Wilson, though I remember him coming on with Dibble and Kennedy (and having a much more cordial conversation) during the whole Bagwell/Astros/insurance thing.
He also hosts a Baseball Prospectus radio show. Other BP guys do TV/radio hits as well.
SI.com on Dec. 13th:
I should have just been hired as an arbiter and saved everyone a lot of time.
i remember someone laying into me for saying something like "daisuke wants badly to play in MLB and probably will for that simple fact." the response was basically "how do you know? are you a member of daisuke's family? boras doesn't care about his clients because he's a vampire."
sigh. i'm perfectly content to be lambasted for my incorrect calls after the truth has come out (e.g. "i don't think jermaine dye is worth 2/10"... uh, oops). doesn't this teach us to try to avoid namecalling based on what we think WILL happen? ack, who am i kidding, of course it doesn't :)
anyway, i'm excited to see how he does next year. i wonder if this means igawa signs a 6/30 contract now, since his posting fee was half the size of matsuzaka's.
It's silly all around, but I think having the word "Thinking" in the title of the website trumps that.
But maybe that's just because I'm old scool. Bring back Primer and the Daily Dugout!
The Red Sox didn't risk one penny when they bid $51M. Remember, they only pay that bid if DMat signs. If anything, they gambled DMat's money, because their $51M bid ate into his contract.
December 13, 2006
Henry: No deal yet
By David Lefort, Boston.com Staff
In an interview a few moments ago on Boston sports radio station WEEI 850 AM, Red Sox principal owner John W. Henry said that no deal between the Red Sox and pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka had been struck, at least not before the parties boarded a plane bound for Boston earlier today.
“Obviously we’re close enough that they’re all on a plane together," Henry said, "but there’s been no deal."
“Unless it’s happened on the plane and they decided not to call me," he joked.
Posted By: dlefort | Time: 03:14:05 PM
But now, this(!):
Plane has landed
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff
BEDFORD, Mass. -- The plane carrying Daisuke Matsuzaka, Scott Boras, and the Red Sox contingent has landed at Hanscom Air Force base.
Tom Werner, Scott Boras, Theo Epstein, Larry Lucchino, and Daisuke Matsuzaka were all seen leaving the plane and getting into trucks.
The caravan is going by police escort to Mass. General Hospital, presumably for Matsuzaka's physical, which is required before any deal is finalized.
Because, of course, Albert Pujols was crap when he first broke into the league.
How has Will Carroll become the voice of Baseball Prospectus?
I don't know if he (or anyone else) is *the* voice for BPro. It does seem that he, Joe Sheehan, and to some extent Nate Silver are the most visible. Perhaps that's intentional, but I also think its a function of the fact that they put out the most work on a regular basis.
OK. Who got off second?
If Oliver London can perform the physical, maybe the Mets aren't out of this yet.
DM (as in Danger Mouse or Dr Moreau)
The tone of this thread needs improvement.
All of them.
If he goes all 1377 of them, he'll be the steal of the epoch.
That's right.
So is one guy internally confused or something?
He said "all of them".
As a Red Sox fan and a human being with half a brain, I would like to say that you are a ####### idiot who needs to get a life after someone gives you a good beating down.
Boston Globe reports that it's for $750k, with another $750k in incentives. Without knowing how low they set the bar on the incentives, that's not a bad deal for a backup catcher. Anything under $1 million for a backup player is sweet.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Nov-27-Sun-2005/photos/morita.jpg
Source: Washington Post
Yeah, but he stinks
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121301763.html
Even if he blows, he's still going to be a nice financial (and possible more if he likes recruiting) investment.
Unfortunately for those who aren't sure of Matsuzaka, he won't blow. Way too much stuff, durability, command, control in there.
And they have him signed for his 26-32 seasons. Nice.
Do I know you? If not, then "Blow Me"
Of course, the flipside of that is that Matsuzaka he turns out to be as good as expected, he's been screwed royally by his club. Be interesting to see whether that has any impact down the track, particularly if the posting system is reformed in the meantime into something that gives transferring players the ability to get something closer to their market value.
But from the club's perspective, it's just like the good old days!
Been watching the Ashes??
Dumb trade by the way
Reduced to listening to cricket on an internet radio feed, stayed up till 1 am listening to the Adelaide test, it was great.
Reduced to listening to cricket on an internet radio feed, stayed up till 1 am listening to the Adelaide test, it was great.
Good to see, Perth test starts soon.
Sad to Marto has gone, I loved watching him bat.
When are you back in Oz?
Panesar and Mahmood in for Perth, if you hadn't seen.
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