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Wednesday, December 13, 2006

Red Sox, Matsuzaka agree to six-year contract

Can’t we talk about steroids or something?

The Original Gary Posted: December 13, 2006 at 09:14 PM | 155 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Famous Original Joe C Posted: December 13, 2006 at 09:26 PM (#2260527)
As good of a deal as one could reasonably expected, given the posting fee. The Red Sox can officially call themselves contenders again.
   2. scareduck Posted: December 13, 2006 at 09:26 PM (#2260531)
Wow. I wonder if there were any kickbacks involved.
   3. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:15 PM (#2260539)
Looks like Matsuzaka told Boras to STFU.

Good show.
   4. tfbg9 Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:16 PM (#2260540)
Not yet there aint.
   5. CraigK Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:17 PM (#2260541)
In before the hundreth post!
   6. HowardMegdal Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:20 PM (#2260544)
I'd have been okay with the Mets trying this- but honestly, if they grab Zito instead, I'd rather get the guy with the track record here. Especially with the Mets' track record over there. But I'm excited to see him pitch, and wish him the best of luck.
   7. plim Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:22 PM (#2260545)
when all is said and done, the red sox will have paid $111,111,111.11 for dmat. how cute.

but yeah, this is definitely a fine coup for the sox.
   8. The Original SJ Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:22 PM (#2260547)
Good deal for the Sox. Sox fans, what are you expecting from this character?
   9. CraigK Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:24 PM (#2260550)
when all is said and done, the red sox will have paid $111,111,111.11 for dmat. how cute.

Jesus.

Wouldn't it have been easier to trade Lester and cut a check for $100 million for Johan Santana and Liriano?
   10. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:24 PM (#2260552)
I hope his career ERA ends up being 11.11.
   11. David Concepcion de la Desviacion Estandar (Dan R) Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:24 PM (#2260553)
Man, that's dirt cheap. If I were Matsuzaka I'd have waited another year and made clear to every team that wanted to bid on me in 2007 what it would take for me to sign.
   12. JPWF13 Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:26 PM (#2260555)
Ok tfbg9- what did Henry say actually in his interview- I'm not seeing it mentioned anywhere
   13. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:26 PM (#2260556)
so does this mean boris wont be disparred, and uncertified? cause you know the sox fans were calling forthat......####### morons
   14. chris p Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:27 PM (#2260561)
Man, that's dirt cheap. If I were Matsuzaka I'd have waited another year and made clear to every team that wanted to bid on me in 2007 what it would take for me to sign.

then it looks like you don't want to pitch in the major leagues as badly as he does.
   15. Xander Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:31 PM (#2260566)
HE'S GOINT TO THE M3TZORS!!
   16. The Original SJ Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:33 PM (#2260569)
So, are Sox fans expecting a sub 3 ERA?

How many innings? I am curious as to what they are looking for out of this gentleman from the east.
   17. chris p Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:35 PM (#2260572)
So, are Sox fans expecting a sub 3 ERA?

yes.

How many innings? I am curious as to what they are looking for out of this gentleman from the east.

300?
   18. Xander Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:39 PM (#2260579)
Glavine, Pelfrey, Dice-K, Deolis Guerra and Jonathan Holdzkom

Ohhh, what a rotation.
   19. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:41 PM (#2260582)
so does this mean boris wont be disparred, and uncertified? cause you know the sox fans were calling forthat......####### morons

Wasn't only one Sox fan calling for that? And it was karlmagnus, that doesn't even count.
   20. PJ Martinez Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:41 PM (#2260583)
"So, are Sox fans expecting a sub 3 ERA?"

No. Sub-4 in ~200 innings would be great.
   21. chris p Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:42 PM (#2260585)
Glavine, Pelfrey, Dice-K, Deolis Guerra and Jonathan Holdzkom

don't forget pedro beato!
   22. chris p Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:44 PM (#2260586)
so does this mean boris wont be disparred, and uncertified? cause you know the sox fans were calling forthat......####### morons

heya meat! so how's jason marquis looking?
   23. Dewey, Crackpot and Soupuss Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:46 PM (#2260587)
"So, are Sox fans expecting a sub 3 ERA?"

No. Sub-4 in ~200 innings would be great.


After all this drama, I expect nothing less than a runaway Cy Young campaign.
   24. Шĥy Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:48 PM (#2260589)
Wasn't only one Sox fan calling for that? And it was karlmagnus, that doesn't even count.

Most of SoSH was calling for Boras to be disbarred or de-certified. It was in the thread right after the one discussing how the lineup would look with Miguel Cabrera after he came to the Red Sox along with prospects for Manny.
   25. bibigon Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:49 PM (#2260590)
Wouldn't it have been easier to trade Lester and cut a check for $100 million for Johan Santana and Liriano?


If the Twins would have agreed to that, I'm sure the Sox would have done that.
   26. chris p Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:50 PM (#2260593)
Most of SoSH was calling for Boras to be disbarred or de-certified.

so what are the boys at gotham baseball saying about the mets these days?
   27. Шĥy Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:51 PM (#2260595)
The Yankees should sign Kaz Matsui and only let him face Matsuzaka. He'll produce like an MVP again!
   28. bibigon Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:51 PM (#2260597)
Most of SoSH was calling for Boras to be disbarred or de-certified.


Well, at least we're not exaggerating. Find me these posts where people were demanding this.
   29. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:53 PM (#2260601)
I hope his career ERA ends up being 11.11.


Wouldn't 111.11 be more appropriate?
   30. bibigon Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:54 PM (#2260602)

So, are Sox fans expecting a sub 3 ERA?

How many innings? I am curious as to what they are looking for out of this gentleman from the east.


200 innings of 4 ERA ball. That's all we really need for it to be worth it. Everything else is gravy.
   31. Dizzypaco Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:55 PM (#2260603)
so does this mean boris wont be disparred, and uncertified? cause you know the sox fans were calling forthat......####### morons

Calling for Boras to be disbarred is no more absurd than calling for the Mets to be awarded Matsuzaka because the Red Sox were not negotiating in good faith - which lots of people were doing on this site. They were equally silly comments.
   32. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:55 PM (#2260604)
How many innings?

All of them.
   33. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:56 PM (#2260606)
The Yankees should sign Kaz Matsui and only let him face Matsuzaka. He'll produce like an MVP again!

They have a vacancy at first base. Get Alex Cabrera!
   34. JPWF13 Posted: December 13, 2006 at 10:59 PM (#2260609)
so what are the boys at gotham baseball saying about the mets these days?


the day one of their myriad rumors comes true is the day I might pay attention- you'd think they would have gotten one right by random chance by now.
   35. Шĥy Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:03 PM (#2260612)
so what are the boys at gotham baseball saying about the mets these days?

Gotham Baseball has a staff of about 5 people. Half of them aren't Mets fans. In contrast, according to SoSH, it has maintained a reputation as one of the most well-informed and introspective Red Sox discussion communities on the 'net and has e web's brightest and most passionate Red Sox fans .
   36. JPWF13 Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:04 PM (#2260613)
and this Boston Herald/Globe stuff is getting amusing- latest Boston Globe headline:

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/


December 13, 2006
Henry: No deal yet
By David Lefort, Boston.com Staff
   37. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:05 PM (#2260614)
Heard on XM Homeplate about an hour ago: Dibble and Kennedy were dogging BPro's projection that DiceK would be a "top twenty" (or something like that) pitcher, saying how could you know just by comparing stats from different leagues, etc. They also seemed to be vicariously offended on behalf of MLB pitchers who've "actually earned it," like Santana and Oswalt and Halladay. Will Carroll came on and said we've done the translations and all tha---they didn't want to hear about it.

At one point, Carroll offered to bet Dibble over the matter, but Dibble responded, sort of humorously and endearingly in the sense the disdain was earnest, "I've played in the major leagues. I don't need to bet you."

A few minutes ago, Orestes (Emotionally) Destrade (thanks, Chris Berman) came on and said, "No, no. Matsusaka's the real deal." Dibble and Kennedy accepted that, and then Dibble added that O was looking at the player, the talent, not the numbers.

But I've gotta tell you, Dibble and Kennedy discussing Baseball Prospectus is like a Flintstones-Meet-the-Jetsons type of moment.
   38. Margo Adams FC Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:08 PM (#2260617)
So I'm watching ESPNews and by their reckoning DiceK is now flying directly overhead. It's overcast here in western Mass., so it's hard to tell. But I haven't felt this tingly since the day Pedro signed.
   39. chris p Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:08 PM (#2260618)
In contrast, according to SoSH,

according to who? sosh? ok, continue ...

it has maintained a reputation as one of the most well-informed and introspective Red Sox discussion communities on the 'net and has e web's brightest and most passionate Red Sox fans .

hahahahahaha!!!
   40. Margo Adams FC Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:11 PM (#2260622)
Dibble and Kennedy were dogging BPro's projection that DiceK would be a "top twenty" (or something like that) pitcher, saying how could you know just by comparing stats from different leagues,


League factors and translations were invented 20,000 years into Dibble's future.
   41. JPWF13 Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:14 PM (#2260627)
and then Dibble added that O was looking at the player, the talent, not the numbers.


I love when players say stuff like that- because I'm sure you can find a quote from the very same player praising another player and then quoting a NUMBER to back it up (usually Wins, Batting Average or RBIs).

What I wonder is this- does ESPN ever worry that attitude will piss off some of the audience- the vast majority having never played in the MLB?
   42. JPWF13 Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:19 PM (#2260630)
They also seemed to be vicariously offended on behalf of MLB pitchers who've "actually earned it," like Santana and Oswalt and Halladay.


This is another endearing trait of many MLB players, the service time done by minor leaguers and guys playing in foreign leagues means absolutley squat to them.

to them a guys who's played in the MLB for 7 years has "earned" the right to be a gazillionaire- he's paid his dues (flying chartered aircraft- getting meal money in excess of some average Joe's entire salary etc) whereas a guy whose played 7 years in the minors, riding buses, eating on $10 a day- that guy hasn't paid his dues he hasn't earned anything.
   43. Shoebo Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:21 PM (#2260632)
What I wonder is this- does ESPN ever worry that attitude will piss off some of the audience- the vast majority having never played in the MLB?

Why would they? The vast majority of their audience don't think like "we" do.
   44. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:23 PM (#2260635)
What I wonder is this- does ESPN ever worry that attitude will piss off some of the audience- the vast majority having never played in the MLB?


In fairness, it's not ESPN. It's XM Homeplate. Of course, Dibble and Kennedy are the afternoon drive (Eastern Time) show, but most of XM-HP's shows cater to a niche viewpoint: Steiner's show is from a beatwriter's perspective, hot-stove hour (or, during the season, fantasy/prospects hour) invites more numbers-based perspectives, Ronnie Lane at night invites a fan's perspective, etc.

Dibble and Kennedy resonate with people who rely on "people who played the game" for insight, who stress old-school player development and "doing things the right way." I find it often tedious (personally, I love Ronnie Lane's nighttime show out of all of them, with some Chuck Wilson mixed in), but many people seem to like it. They in essence want to be dressed down by Dibble and Kennedy, because they respect those two as authority.
   45. PleasePassTheGravy Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:25 PM (#2260637)
How 'bout

DM (as in Danger Mouse or Dr Moreau)
Dai M (for murder)
Suk-Zak (sooook-zaaaaak)
or just plain 'Zak'
   46. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:26 PM (#2260639)
Will Carroll came on and said we've done the translations and all tha---they didn't want to hear about it.

How has Will Carroll become the voice of Baseball Prospectus? Isn't his role with them almost exclusively limited to injury analysis?
   47. AJMcCringleberry Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:26 PM (#2260640)
Calling for Boras to be disbarred is no more absurd than calling for the Mets to be awarded Matsuzaka because the Red Sox were not negotiating in good faith - which lots of people were doing on this site.

Was anyone actually serious about that? I posted that a couple of times, but it was crazy optimism more than me actually thinking that it would happen.
   48. OlePerfesser Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:27 PM (#2260641)
I am very pleased to have been wrong in forecasting that Boras would never allow > $50M of his client's value to be skimmed off by Seibu.

Thank you, John Henry, for gambling $100M of your wealth (and even the most rabid Sox Therapudlians have to admit there's considerable risk here) for our enjoyment. :-)
   49. Rough Carrigan Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:28 PM (#2260642)
On NESN right now their announcer is describing the order in which people are getting off John Henry's plane. God.
   50. JPWF13 Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:29 PM (#2260643)
Calling for Boras to be disbarred is no more absurd than calling for the Mets to be awarded Matsuzaka because the Red Sox were not negotiating in good faith - which lots of people were doing on this site.

Was anyone actually serious about that? I posted that a couple of times, but it was crazy optimism more than me actually thinking that it would happen.


I posted it- but really just to mess with the Sox fans and the Evil Emperorites.

I will be honest, I did think that there was a good chance that DM was going back to Seibu. It certainly was in his financial interest to do so- but he obviously felt that playing in the MLB now trumped that.
   51. Rough Carrigan Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:32 PM (#2260644)
I don't get the dump on SoSH animus. There were two guys, I think, who apparently suggested decertifying Boras out of anger at the worry that Boras was not passing along info to Matsuzaka. Two people overreacting. BFD.
   52. JPWF13 Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:33 PM (#2260646)
On NESN right now their announcer is describing the order in which people are getting off John Henry's plane. God.


Is he describing facial expressions too? Who's looking at who, does Boras look like someone killed his best friend, that sort of thing?

You know- if I was the announcer, just to screw with people's heads I'd say that Lucchino was holding a bloody bandage to his nose...
   53. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:35 PM (#2260649)
How has Will Carroll become the voice of Baseball Prospectus? Isn't his role with them almost exclusively limited to injury analysis?


No clue as to the first question, or whether it's in fact true. As to the second question, he comes on XM Homeplate occasionally, usually with Chuck Wilson, though I remember him coming on with Dibble and Kennedy (and having a much more cordial conversation) during the whole Bagwell/Astros/insurance thing.
   54. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:36 PM (#2260650)
And a pre-emptive apology for the hijack, to the extent the thread hasn't already been or wouldn't have been. ;-)
   55. Foster Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:37 PM (#2260651)
How has Will Carroll become the voice of Baseball Prospectus? Isn't his role with them almost exclusively limited to injury analysis?

He also hosts a Baseball Prospectus radio show. Other BP guys do TV/radio hits as well.
   56. Old Matt Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:38 PM (#2260652)
I repeat. The Eagle has landed.
   57. J. Cross Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:38 PM (#2260653)
J. Cross on Dec 10th:

Boras probably figures he can get 4 years at 18 per in 2 years ( boras might think he can get even more). Add the 6M DM makes if he goes back and the sox are looking at paying 6 years 78 Million. Boras doesn't care where it comes from, but why should he take less?

Well, I think Boras (really Matsuzaka) would take less b/c:

1) A lot can happen in two years and there's something to be said for a bird in hand, and

2) Matsuzaka wants to pitch in the majors now and not in two years.

So, if as far as expected return is concerned, Matsuzaka can expect to get $78M over 6 or $13M per, I think factor 1 would reasonably bring him down to accept about $11M per over 6 ($66M total) but how much is factor 2 worth? Obviously, I have no idea but it does seems like he badly want to pitch in MLB and spending the next 2 years in Seibu can't be that appealing. This leads me to believe that he'd take $9 x 6 ($54M total).

Would the Sox pay $54M (to Matsuzaka) over 6? This leads them to be paying $105M total or $17.5M per year. I think that they would pay about that in a regular FA deal and would probably pay a bit more considering that the posting fee isn't luxury taxable.

In short, I think there's a little room for a deal to get done here with something at around $55-$60M over 6 years being just appealing enough to both sides.


SI.com on Dec. 13th:

Daisuke Matsuzaka has reached a deal with the Boston Red Sox for six years, $52 million, a source close to the negotiations has told SI.com. The deal contains escalator clauses that could bring it up to $60 million.


I should have just been hired as an arbiter and saved everyone a lot of time.
   58. Kyle S Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:40 PM (#2260654)
so i predicted 4/40 plus two option years a month ago. do i get a medal?

i remember someone laying into me for saying something like "daisuke wants badly to play in MLB and probably will for that simple fact." the response was basically "how do you know? are you a member of daisuke's family? boras doesn't care about his clients because he's a vampire."

sigh. i'm perfectly content to be lambasted for my incorrect calls after the truth has come out (e.g. "i don't think jermaine dye is worth 2/10"... uh, oops). doesn't this teach us to try to avoid namecalling based on what we think WILL happen? ack, who am i kidding, of course it doesn't :)

anyway, i'm excited to see how he does next year. i wonder if this means igawa signs a 6/30 contract now, since his posting fee was half the size of matsuzaka's.
   59. philly Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:41 PM (#2260655)
Gotham Baseball has a staff of about 5 people. Half of them aren't Mets fans. In contrast, according to SoSH, it has maintained a reputation as one of the most well-informed and introspective Red Sox discussion communities on the 'net and has e web's brightest and most passionate Red Sox fans .

It's silly all around, but I think having the word "Thinking" in the title of the website trumps that.

But maybe that's just because I'm old scool. Bring back Primer and the Daily Dugout!
   60. jamest Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:42 PM (#2260656)
Thank you, John Henry, for gambling $100M of your wealth ...

The Red Sox didn't risk one penny when they bid $51M. Remember, they only pay that bid if DMat signs. If anything, they gambled DMat's money, because their $51M bid ate into his contract.
Epstein agreed Matsuzaka is worth $100 million -- but, unlike Boras, Epstein includes the posting fee in his math.
   61. tfbg9 Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:44 PM (#2260657)
#12 From this:


December 13, 2006
Henry: No deal yet
By David Lefort, Boston.com Staff
In an interview a few moments ago on Boston sports radio station WEEI 850 AM, Red Sox principal owner John W. Henry said that no deal between the Red Sox and pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka had been struck, at least not before the parties boarded a plane bound for Boston earlier today.

“Obviously we’re close enough that they’re all on a plane together," Henry said, "but there’s been no deal."

“Unless it’s happened on the plane and they decided not to call me," he joked.

Posted By: dlefort | Time: 03:14:05 PM

But now, this(!):

Plane has landed
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff
BEDFORD, Mass. -- The plane carrying Daisuke Matsuzaka, Scott Boras, and the Red Sox contingent has landed at Hanscom Air Force base.

Tom Werner, Scott Boras, Theo Epstein, Larry Lucchino, and Daisuke Matsuzaka were all seen leaving the plane and getting into trucks.

The caravan is going by police escort to Mass. General Hospital, presumably for Matsuzaka's physical, which is required before any deal is finalized.
   62. tfbg9 Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:46 PM (#2260659)
Also, the Sox have apparently inked Dougie to another one-year deal. Ugh!
   63. Fred Garvin is dead and Joe Biden is alive Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:47 PM (#2260661)
This is another endearing trait of many MLB players, the service time done by minor leaguers and guys playing in foreign leagues means absolutley squat to them.

Because, of course, Albert Pujols was crap when he first broke into the league.


How has Will Carroll become the voice of Baseball Prospectus?

I don't know if he (or anyone else) is *the* voice for BPro. It does seem that he, Joe Sheehan, and to some extent Nate Silver are the most visible. Perhaps that's intentional, but I also think its a function of the fact that they put out the most work on a regular basis.
   64. Sexy Lizard Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:54 PM (#2260668)
On NESN right now their announcer is describing the order in which people are getting off John Henry's plane. God.

OK. Who got off second?
   65. greenback likes millwall, they don't care Posted: December 13, 2006 at 11:57 PM (#2260674)
The caravan is going by police escort to Mass. General Hospital, presumably for Matsuzaka's physical, which is required before any deal is finalized.

If Oliver London can perform the physical, maybe the Mets aren't out of this yet.
   66. greenback likes millwall, they don't care Posted: December 14, 2006 at 12:01 AM (#2260678)
How 'bout

DM (as in Danger Mouse or Dr Moreau)


The tone of this thread needs improvement.
   67. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: December 14, 2006 at 12:14 AM (#2260684)
How many innings?

All of them.


If he goes all 1377 of them, he'll be the steal of the epoch.
   68. Darren Posted: December 14, 2006 at 12:16 AM (#2260687)
The Red Sox have been doing a good job of managing my expectations. When I started thinking about 5/115, this seems like a great deal by comparison. However, if you told me before the bidding started that they'd be giving 6/100 to a guy who's never pitched in MLB, I'd have been pretty baffled.
   69. dr. scott Posted: December 14, 2006 at 12:20 AM (#2260691)
1377? Thats funny.
   70. Darren Posted: December 14, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2260699)
OK. Who got off second?

That's right.
   71. pkb33 Posted: December 14, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2260700)
Gotham Baseball has a staff of about 5 people. Half of them aren't Mets fans.

So is one guy internally confused or something?
   72. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: December 14, 2006 at 01:05 AM (#2260740)
It's a deal,it's a steal, it'ssale of the ####### century!!!
   73. Xander Posted: December 14, 2006 at 01:08 AM (#2260744)
I still contend the Sox negotiated in bad faith and never planned to sign Matsuzaka. Anyone think there is a chance that Selig voids the deal because he doesn't believe in interracial cross-country flights and he signs with the Mets?
   74. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: December 14, 2006 at 01:13 AM (#2260750)
1377? Thats funny.

He said "all of them".
   75. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 14, 2006 at 01:31 AM (#2260764)
I still contend the Sox negotiated in bad faith and never planned to sign Matsuzaka. Anyone think there is a chance that Selig voids the deal because he doesn't believe in interracial cross-country flights and he signs with the Mets?
Agreed! All those rabid fanboys just won't face reality, dammit.
   76. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: December 14, 2006 at 01:51 AM (#2260774)
As a Yankee fan I would like to welcome DMat to America

As a Red Sox fan and a human being with half a brain, I would like to say that you are a ####### idiot who needs to get a life after someone gives you a good beating down.
   77. Josh Posted: December 14, 2006 at 01:59 AM (#2260782)
What a tasteless piece of #### post that was, on too many levels.
   78. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:09 AM (#2260787)
I LOLed
   79. winnipegwhip Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:09 AM (#2260788)
Hey Phil: "It's been emotional."
   80. villageidiom Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:09 AM (#2260789)
Also, the Sox have apparently inked Dougie to another one-year deal. Ugh!

Boston Globe reports that it's for $750k, with another $750k in incentives. Without knowing how low they set the bar on the incentives, that's not a bad deal for a backup catcher. Anything under $1 million for a backup player is sweet.
   81. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:10 AM (#2260790)
Btw, I also would like to welcome D-Mat to America

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Nov-27-Sun-2005/photos/morita.jpg
   82. bibigon Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:10 AM (#2260791)
This thread took an unexpected turn.
   83. villageidiom Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:11 AM (#2260792)
Continuing #83... From the perspective of ownership, that is.
   84. The Answer to the TWolves (GMoney) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:13 AM (#2260794)
Jose Vidro told the Washington Post that he has been dealt to the Mariners, reportedly for Chris Snelling and Emiliano Fruto.
Source: Washington Post
   85. WSPanic Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:14 AM (#2260795)
I don't think Darren received the credit he deserves for #72. Well done.
   86. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:14 AM (#2260796)
Boston Globe reports that it's for $750k, with another $750k in incentives. Without knowing how low they set the bar on the incentives, that's not a bad deal for a backup catcher. Anything under $1 million for a backup player is sweet.

Yeah, but he stinks
   87. Dave Bell Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:19 AM (#2260798)
Nats trade vidro to M's for Snelling... M's get fleeced again?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121301763.html
   88. WeGotWood98 Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:19 AM (#2260800)
I think it's a beautiful deal.

Even if he blows, he's still going to be a nice financial (and possible more if he likes recruiting) investment.

Unfortunately for those who aren't sure of Matsuzaka, he won't blow. Way too much stuff, durability, command, control in there.

And they have him signed for his 26-32 seasons. Nice.
   89. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:23 AM (#2260802)
Hey Phil: "It's been emotional."

Do I know you? If not, then "Blow Me"
   90. Xander Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:24 AM (#2260803)
Why would the M's make that trade?
   91. Dave Bell Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:29 AM (#2260805)
No idea. They just signed Guillen for 8 mil when Snelling is just as good, then picked up an expensive and declining 2b...
   92. The Answer to the TWolves (GMoney) Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:30 AM (#2260806)
Vidro is good, if we traveled back in time 6 years.
   93. Xander Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:30 AM (#2260807)
Must be a pre-cursor to a King Felix to the Mets deal.
   94. Dave Bell Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:34 AM (#2260809)
USSM guys are going absolutely ballistic. 40 something comments in the last 3-4 minutes.
   95. Mork Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:34 AM (#2260810)
Great deal from the management perspective. Obvioudly, Boras was bluffing all along, and management called him on it.

Of course, the flipside of that is that Matsuzaka he turns out to be as good as expected, he's been screwed royally by his club. Be interesting to see whether that has any impact down the track, particularly if the posting system is reformed in the meantime into something that gives transferring players the ability to get something closer to their market value.

But from the club's perspective, it's just like the good old days!
   96. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:36 AM (#2260812)
Dave Bell - how are you?

Been watching the Ashes??

Dumb trade by the way
   97. Dave Bell Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:38 AM (#2260814)
Im good man! In seattle with the girl at the moment!

Reduced to listening to cricket on an internet radio feed, stayed up till 1 am listening to the Adelaide test, it was great.
   98. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:40 AM (#2260816)
Im good man! In seattle with the girl at the moment!

Reduced to listening to cricket on an internet radio feed, stayed up till 1 am listening to the Adelaide test, it was great.


Good to see, Perth test starts soon.

Sad to Marto has gone, I loved watching him bat.

When are you back in Oz?
   99. Zach Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:42 AM (#2260818)
I'm happy to admit I was wrong about the likelihood of this deal getting done. I still maintain Seibu got way too high a percentage of the contract, and I think the posting system should be redesigned to prevent this in the future, but in the end, Matsuzaka's desire to play in the US won out. I look forward to watching him next year.
   100. Mork Posted: December 14, 2006 at 02:44 AM (#2260819)
Ah! Ozzie reunion!

Panesar and Mahmood in for Perth, if you hadn't seen.
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