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1. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: June 05, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4149119)Bard had bad control at first, just like in college. The full-on Steve Blass thing only started when he went to Lancaster, which a lot of people blamed on the park or the atmosphere or whatever it was that produced an average of 13.9 runs per RiverHawks game that year.
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I liked the move of Bard to the rotation, but he flopped about as spectacularly as could have been imagined. More walks than Ks, and the leader of the free world in hit batters. I'd say he might be injured, and he might be, but he walked 9 men per 9 innings while starting in the minors also.
But he has a winning record! Almost.
At this point I'd just move him back to the pen and leave him alone.
He has 0 WAR, and it's well deserved. Pretty much any pitcher at AA or AAA could replace him.
Well maybe - although there's lots of below replacement level pitchers in AA and AAA - but by "obvious guy" I meant an actual good pitcher who would be clearly better than Bard.
He walked 56 in 61.2 innings in Low A before going to Lancaster. He has consistently struggled with control as a starter. That said, if he isn't hurt, it hurts no one right now to continue the experiment.
Except for the batters he keeps drilling because he currently has no clue as to where the ball is going. In his game against the Jays, he was "Someone's going to get killed" wild.
He's had a number of starts where his earned runs suggest a more effective performance than the rest of the numbers suggest. But he's only had one really good start (April 27th, which coincidentally was after his one relief appearance this year), where he pitched into the 8th inning, 2 ER, 6 Ks, only 1 BB.
Then, he had several starts where he pitched 6 or 7 innings, gave up only one or two ER, but walked the ballpark in the process - and, frankly, probably got pretty lucky not to give up a lot more runs.
Of course, we're now going to replace him with Matsuzaka - who is the king of pitching 5 or 6 innings, giving up two or three runs, and walking the ballpark. Should be fun to watch. Real fun.
I am detecting a Phil Coorey head explosion in 3, 2, 1 .....
I've got a beer festival to run!!!
I'm off the radar for a while boys with this and the Celtics!
Hope everyone's well though - hopefully Bard is just back to the bullpen soon.
Take care
Except the Red Sox, because he's effective when he's in the pen, and he's a nothingburger everywhere else.
When and where Phil? I'm moving to Wollongong in July.
Would you please get the Aussie microbrews to catch up to their far superior Kiwi counterparts? By July preferably. :-)
You're moving to Australia - that is awesome!!
The festival is at my pub, The Spotted Cow - it's in Toowoomba in QLD . We are featuring the yeastie boys range from NZ - the boys were going to come over but pulled out. NZ craft beer is sensational - we are convinced the water is just so much better over there, hence the better beers!!
Here's a link with the schedule to the festival , the boilermaker session is looking great...
I was against the move from the beginning but they made the decision and the bullpen isn't a problem right now, which also shows the limited value of relievers if you can pull a bunch from the scrap heap. Get Bard down in AAA, see if he can clear his head, and if he can't then put him back in the 8th inning. They lose nothing extending the experiment another month or two, except time.
In the column he cites a Gordon Edes piece which is also worth a look. To summarize, give the experiment more time. Other pitchers have had growing pains making this transition, or gone through bouts of wildness yet had good starting careers. If it's still an issue he can be moved back to relief.
Bard showed some flashes early on but that's about it. He has not built on what he did in April at all and looks lost right now. I'm not saying he should be mowing people down but I'm seeing a guy regressing, not progressing.
And I think he was having shoulder issues around the same time, so they were just like, why eff with it.
Papelbon came to 2007 Spring Training as a starter after missing all of September, 2006 with a shoulder problem.
I think part of it also was mentality. As Ray said Papelbon wanted to stay in the bullpen while Bard wanted to be a starter. Also, Papelbon was always a little crazy in the way that teams like from relievers while Bard comes across a bit more cerebral and I think the Sox felt his temperament was better suited to the rotation (not saying that's right or wrong, just part of the decision making process).
I too like to see good relievers try starting, but I do think with a reliever of Papelbon's quality it is very defensible to leave him in the pen.
And his fastball is down almost 2 MPH this season from last year, so you'd be seeing even more if they'd re-signed him.
That was almost all Fly, right? Sort of like the series of Sox Therapy posts that appeared every year lionizing Dan Duquette and longing for the old days of his GMship.
Look what Duquette has done in only a few months with the Orioles.
He just signed Jamie Moyer. The balance of power in the AL East has shifted!
Wouldn't looking at shoulder injury rates of starters vs relievers be an easy way to figure this out? In my memory it seems to happen a lot more to starters and that's even with each team having 1 or 2 more relievers than starters. Perhaps starting vs relieving tends to cause different kinds of shoulder issues and Papelbon's was one rare for starters so they thought the switch would help.
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