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Wednesday, February 01, 2012

Red Sox Still Have ‘Great Chance’ At Roy Oswalt

Yeah, but who would they have to give the Cardinals in retur…WHA?!

Sometimes a baseball source will tell a writer one thing, and then another baseball source will tell the writer a conflicting thing. This might be new. Here we have a baseball source telling a writer one thing, and then the same baseball source later telling the writer a conflicting thing. Gordon Edes:

  After indicating late Friday night that pitcher Roy Oswalt was signing with the St. Louis Cardinals “soon,” the same major league source acknowledged Wednesday that Oswalt had not yet made a decision and that the Red Sox still “had a great chance” of signing him.

On the one hand, okay, maybe the baseball source is plugged in to the fluid Oswalt sweepstakes. On the other hand, this baseball source said Oswalt was going to the Cardinals last Friday. This exact same baseball source, just last Friday. Like, no baseball source has told Gordon Edes the wrong thing more recently than this baseball source.

Repoz Posted: February 01, 2012 at 05:15 PM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: February 01, 2012 at 05:28 PM (#4051534)
So far today I have read that the Sox are out on Oswalt, have little chance at Jackson, have a great chance at Oswalt and are actively involved with both Oswalt and Jackson and just waiting for a yes from one of them.

Sometimes I wonder if the information we get from the media is less than certain.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 01, 2012 at 05:36 PM (#4051541)

Sometimes I wonder if the information we get from the media is less than certain.


Well do you want it fast or do you want it accurate?
   3. JJ1986 Posted: February 01, 2012 at 05:39 PM (#4051544)
Sometimes I wonder if the information we get from the media is less than certain.


On Friday, Jim Duquette reported that Oswalt was about to sign with St. Louis.

Whoops, didn't read even the excerpt.
   4. AJM Posted: February 01, 2012 at 06:15 PM (#4051580)
Well do you want it fast or do you want it accurate?

Well, like all Americans, fast.
   5. Famous Original Joe C Posted: February 01, 2012 at 06:19 PM (#4051585)
Well, like all Americans, fast.

You misspelled "both".
   6. Walt Davis Posted: February 01, 2012 at 06:36 PM (#4051605)
A source familiar with the Oswalt negotiations tells me that a mystery team has gotten involved!!
   7. Enrico Pallazzo Posted: February 01, 2012 at 07:01 PM (#4051627)
Well do you want it fast or do you want it accurate?

Here we have a variation on Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle at work in a practical setting.

I sure do love the...universality...of the Universe, don't you?
   8. i'm not STEAGLES and you shouldn't be either Posted: February 01, 2012 at 07:17 PM (#4051638)
i'm split on this (the oswalt thing, not the meta-commentary thing).

on the one hand, i'd really like to get the chance to crush him in the playoffs next year with st louis. but on the other, i'd really like for boston to sign him and for him to not throw a single pitch for them because he strains his back in spring training.


   9. ptodd Posted: February 01, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4051660)
Saying the Red Sox are involved is a great negotiating strategy when you are in serious talks with other teams. Also, Red Sox are trying to sell some tickets to keep to fictitious sell out streak alive, and letting fans think they are trying to sign another quality pitcher can only help.

Maybe the Red Sox do sign one of these guys, but it won't happen until Papis arbitration case is decided, and they win it.
   10. Crispix Attacks Posted: February 01, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4051666)
When the Scutaro trade happened, I don't remember if it was Joe Sheehan or Dave Cameron, one of those two, was on a podcast and said that you have to view it as Scutaro for Oswalt, because the Red Sox were going to sign Oswalt but needed to offload some salary first. It shouldn't be thought of as Scutaro for nothing, it should be thought of as a salary-neutral exhange of Scutaro for Oswalt. And now that the Red Sox have Oswalt, hey, their rotation looks pretty good.

That must have been an overstatement of some sort.
   11. Jose Can You Seabiscuit Posted: February 01, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4051677)
Hell I made the same argument as those guys Crispix. It seemed perfectly logical I thought. It could still happen but at this point the Scutaro trade certainly seems odd.
   12. Crispix Attacks Posted: February 01, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4051706)
The weird thing was the certainty that it was Oswalt that they already had locked up, rather than just "They need to dump salary so they can sign someone at a more crucial position".
   13. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: February 02, 2012 at 12:27 AM (#4051773)
The Red Sox are signing a white guy? Huh.
   14. Textbook Editor Posted: February 02, 2012 at 08:52 AM (#4051833)
Padilla arrested for failing to pay child support, passport revoked. Gonna be a fun ST!

Link
   15. Old Man James Posted: February 02, 2012 at 10:04 AM (#4051853)
So Heisenberg is driving along when he gets pulled over for speeding. The officer approaches the car and asks "Sir, do you know how fast you were going?"


"No, but I know exactly where I am!"
   16. Famous Original Joe C Posted: February 02, 2012 at 10:25 AM (#4051866)
on the one hand, i'd really like to get the chance to crush him in the playoffs next year with st louis. but on the other, i'd really like for boston to sign him and for him to not throw a single pitch for them because he strains his back in spring training.

If the Red Sox sign him, rest assured this is exactly what will happen. You'll probably want to add in some kind of misdiagnosis along the way as well.
   17. villageidiom Posted: February 02, 2012 at 11:35 AM (#4051916)
on the one hand, i'd really like to get the chance to crush him in the playoffs next year with st louis. but on the other, i'd really like for boston to sign him and for him to not throw a single pitch for them because he strains his back in spring training.

If the Red Sox sign him, rest assured this is exactly what will happen. You'll probably want to add in some kind of misdiagnosis along the way as well.
Close.

He'll start the season, and will be crap for the first few months. They won't bench him because he's Roy Oswalt, but he'll be below replacement level, and pitching no more than 4 innings in most starts. Then just after the trade deadline they'll find a misdiagnosis and shelve him for the year*. That's what will happen.

Or maybe they won't sign him.

* Unless they're close to the playoffs, in which case they'll rush him back, he'll pitch one decent game and three suckfests, and they'll fall out of contention.
   18. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 02, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4052232)
He'll start the season, and will be crap for the first few months. They won't bench him because he's Roy Oswalt, but he'll be below replacement level, and pitching no more than 4 innings in most starts. Then just after the trade deadline they'll find a misdiagnosis and shelve him for the year*. before the trade deadline they'll release him and he will sign with a NL team and proceed to be perfectly cromulent (which is all anyone is really hoping for). That's what will happen.


FTFY.
   19. villageidiom Posted: February 02, 2012 at 06:59 PM (#4052304)
@19: That, too. He's gonna Smoltz us.

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