Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Red Sox Take a Pass on Brad Ausmus

Although Ausmus wouldn’t get into any specifics of what he said to the Red Sox, a team source said Ausmus “was outstanding.” There was nothing not to like about the former All-Star catcher, but Cherington had it in his head for two years that Farrell was the guy…

Ausmus was apparently very detailed both verbally and with written material. According to one report, he had his entire coaching staff set. Ausmus apparently had thought this through as well as any candidate the Sox have ever had.

Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 23, 2012 at 08:34 AM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: astros, managers, red sox

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Anonymous Observer Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4280435)
I thought only Jeff Bagwell was passed on?
   2. jmurph Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:17 AM (#4280444)
Ausmus is totally going to get a job and stick somewhere for 10 years, isn't he, while being perfectly fine in every respect?
   3. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:18 AM (#4280446)
This is a Cafardo article. I don't trust a word of it. Nick, if you remember, was an early and outspoken proponent of Bobby Valentine as manager.

Ausmus did strike me as a good candidate, no doubt. But I won't take Cafardo's word for it.
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:19 AM (#4280447)
Ausmus was apparently very detailed both verbally and with written material. According to one report, he had his entire coaching staff set. Ausmus apparently had thought this through as well as any candidate the Sox have ever had.


Who'd want a nerd like that when you can, for a very low price, steal the guy who piloted your main rival for the AL East cellar?
   5. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 23, 2012 at 10:20 AM (#4280449)
Ausmus was apparently very detailed both verbally and with written material. According to one report, he had his entire coaching staff set. Ausmus apparently had thought this through as well as any candidate the Sox have ever had.


What would you expect from an Ivy Leaguer?
   6. bookbook Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:40 AM (#4280536)
player/manager?
   7. Bug Selig Posted: October 23, 2012 at 11:52 AM (#4280560)
Nick, if you remember, was an early and outspoken proponent of Bobby Valentine as manager.


That makes him stupid, not a liar.

Ausmus was apparently very detailed both verbally and with written material. According to one report, he had his entire coaching staff set. Ausmus apparently had thought this through as well as any candidate the Sox have ever had.


As opposed to Farrell, who opened with, "The bright side is that my specialty is ruining promising young players and you don't appear to have any."
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 23, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4280566)
Ausmus seems like he'll be the next Bruce Bochy.
   9. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: October 23, 2012 at 12:21 PM (#4280582)
"Red Sox Take a Piss on Brad Ausmus" would've been TMI, I suppose. Still, consenting adults & all that.
   10. JJ1986 Posted: October 23, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4280594)
but Cherington had it in his head for two years that Farrell was the guy…


Cherington knows Farrell and probably has many reasons to want the guy as manager, but this makes it sound like his failure in Toronto didn't factor in at all.
   11. MM1f Posted: October 23, 2012 at 12:42 PM (#4280608)
This is a Cafardo article. I don't trust a word of it. Nick, if you remember, was an early and outspoken proponent of Bobby Valentine as manager.


What does that have to do with this? Being an outspoken proponent of Valentine might make him a man with dumb opinions (or, more likely, it makes him - gasp - someone who was wrong about something once) but what he is doing here is completely different. He is reporting. We're supposed to think he would make up sources and stuff because he liked the idea of hiring Valentine?

EDIT-What post #7 said.
   12. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: October 23, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4280613)
I just want to mention the nickname a buddy of mine coined years ago: Bad Assmusk
   13. Bug Selig Posted: October 23, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4280632)
My family called him "A s s m u n c h".

EDIT to trick the nanny.
   14. Accent Shallow Posted: October 23, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4280648)
Female fans take a pass at Brad Ausmus.

Me-ow, say the ladies.
   15. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 23, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4280659)
I misread the vowel in the fifth word of the headline.
   16. something like a train wreck Posted: October 23, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4280682)
What would you expect from an Ivy Leaguer?

And a Jew
   17. TerpNats Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4280770)
Would the Jays be interested in Ausmus? And vice versa?

Wouldn't that come back to bite the Bosox?
   18. zonk Posted: October 23, 2012 at 03:58 PM (#4280807)
Yuse guys are going to invoke the wrath of bbc if you're not careful...
   19. I Am Not a Number Posted: October 23, 2012 at 04:41 PM (#4280905)
Yuse guys

I think you mean all y'all.
   20. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: October 23, 2012 at 05:28 PM (#4280977)
Would the Jays be interested in Ausmus? And vice versa?

Considering he played only in the National League for 19 years, I highly doubt he's versed in a style of game teams like BOS/TOR are interested in. Especially if he feels about American League ball like whatever blather Berkman said today. Or maybe he's all SABR dreamy and we just never knew.
   21. Sweatpants Posted: October 23, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4280984)
Considering he played only in the National League for 19 years, I highly doubt he's versed in a style of game teams like BOS/TOR are interested in. Especially if he feels about American League ball like whatever blather Berkman said today. Or maybe he's all SABR dreamy and we just never knew.
Ausmus is a former Detroit Tiger.
   22. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: October 23, 2012 at 06:17 PM (#4281027)
Sweatpants' clarification notwithstanding, I have never really considered that angle.

Now that I have considered it, my gut feeling is that I might be less inclined to hire a former player with AL-only experience to run my NL team, but I suspect that an NL-only player could handle the intricacies (or lack thereof) needed to manage in the AL.
   23. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: October 23, 2012 at 06:33 PM (#4281037)
Ausmus is a former Detroit Tiger.

Yes, forgot his 2 1/2 years in Detroit over two stops. He BB'd at a higher rate than I recalled, that's a good sign.

One concern I wonder about with a player whom's experience is so NL leaning is that perhaps the experience of seeing in game pitcher/batter swaps so much, they might feel one of the duties of a manager is to be constantly inserting your "managerness" with pitching changes galore a la Joe Girardi.
   24. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 23, 2012 at 06:39 PM (#4281044)
Cherington knows Farrell and probably has many reasons to want the guy as manager, but this makes it sound like his failure in Toronto didn't factor in at all.

I agree.

Funnily enough, I think a former catcher like Ausmus would actually somehow benefit the whole pitching staff more so then most other managers. I also reckon he'd bring a bit more knowledge containing the running game, an area where the Sox are traditionally poor.
   25. TerpNats Posted: October 23, 2012 at 06:43 PM (#4281051)
my gut feeling is that I might be less inclined to hire a former player with AL-only experience to run my NL team, but I suspect that an NL-only player could handle the intricacies (or lack thereof) needed to manage in the AL.
Any Cincinnati fan worth his or her salt is glad you didn't select a Reds manager for 1990.
   26. Greg K Posted: October 23, 2012 at 06:46 PM (#4281053)
Funnily enough, I think a former catcher like Ausmus would actually somehow benefit the whole pitching staff more so then most other managers. I also reckon he'd bring a bit more knowledge containing the running game, an area where the Sox are traditionally poor.

Except maybe a former pitching coach. Hopefully the next Jays manager is one of those. It would surely fix whatever's wrong with Ricky Romero!
   27. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 23, 2012 at 07:09 PM (#4281070)
Except maybe a former pitching coach

Perhaps. But one gets a funny feeling that the issue with the Sox SP this year wasn't really mechanics but more of a mental thing. Having an experienced, calming influence behind the dish and in the dugout would seem to address this. Sure it's not very sabermetricky, and I'm not sure how to prove it has any merit, but I'm going with this; because this year was painful to watch and I've got nothing else outside of needing a 4-5 WAR player at 1B, LF and SS.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
dirk
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

Newsblog2014 WORLD SERIES GAME 4 OMNICHATTER
(26 - 7:51pm, Oct 25)
Last: Sunday silence

NewsblogOT:  October 2014 - College Football thread
(458 - 7:42pm, Oct 25)
Last: AuntBea

NewsblogOT: Politics, October 2014: Sunshine, Baseball, and Etch A Sketch: How Politicians Use Analogies
(3796 - 7:31pm, Oct 25)
Last: Gonfalon Bubble

NewsblogYost's managerial decisions make for extra-entertaining World Series | FOX Sports
(16 - 7:30pm, Oct 25)
Last: BDC

NewsblogBoston Red Sox prospect Deven Marrero enjoying turnaround in Arizona Fall League | MiLB.com
(13 - 7:00pm, Oct 25)
Last: Bug Selig

NewsblogGambling Bochy creature of habit when it comes to pitchers | CSN Bay Area
(5 - 6:56pm, Oct 25)
Last: Bug Selig

Hall of MeritMost Meritorious Player: 1959 Ballot
(8 - 6:29pm, Oct 25)
Last: Chris Fluit

NewsblogMLB - Royals' Ned Yost keeps managing to win - ESPN
(12 - 6:15pm, Oct 25)
Last: Cat8

NewsblogDave Dombrowski: Injury worse than expected, Miguel Cabrera 'is as tough as you can possibly be' | MLive.com
(24 - 6:10pm, Oct 25)
Last: Random Transaction Generator

NewsblogOT: NBC.news: Valve isn’t making one gaming console, but multiple ‘Steam machines’
(872 - 6:02pm, Oct 25)
Last: Greg K

NewsblogOT: Monthly NBA Thread - October 2014
(395 - 5:49pm, Oct 25)
Last: NJ in DC (Now with Wife!)

NewsblogBuster Olney on Twitter: "Sources: Manager Joe Maddon has exercised an opt-out clause in his contract and is leaving the Tampa Bay Rays immediately."
(87 - 5:12pm, Oct 25)
Last: PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth)

NewsblogJohn McGrath: The Giants have become the Yankees — obnoxious | The News Tribune
(20 - 4:40pm, Oct 25)
Last: Baldrick

NewsblogOT: The Soccer Thread, September 2014
(936 - 4:29pm, Oct 25)
Last: Howling John Shade

NewsblogPhils' philospophy beginning to evolve | phillies.com
(12 - 4:08pm, Oct 25)
Last: Textbook Editor

Page rendered in 0.2730 seconds
53 querie(s) executed