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Sunday, November 23, 2014

Red Sox trying for mega-free agent double play: Panda and Hanley - CBSSports.com

Really?

The Boston Red Sox are trying hard for a huge free agent double play, as they are involved with not only Pablo Sandoval but also Hanley Ramirez, according to sources.

The Red Sox are known to be in the middle of talks for star third baseman Sandoval, and after remaining in contact with Ramirez since as far back as the GM meetings, they are believed to be possibly moving toward an agreement with the star shortstop.

The Red Sox could even make it a triple play if they are able to lure both those positional stars, plus their former ace Jon Lester, who they are also talking to.

Jim Furtado Posted: November 23, 2014 at 06:29 PM | 180 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: November 23, 2014 at 06:37 PM (#4847945)
Hmm, so I would not have thought that the team that signed Sandoval would also sign Hanley.
   2. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: November 23, 2014 at 06:43 PM (#4847948)
I like Hanley as a 3b right now, DH in waiting. Don't like the idea of putting him at SS. Maybe the plan is to put him in the OF? I mean, they only have five or six of those right now.
   3. Dan Posted: November 23, 2014 at 06:49 PM (#4847949)
Isn't it more likely that they're involved with both guys because they want one or the other and want leverage, rather than intending to sign both?
   4. Khrushin it bro Posted: November 23, 2014 at 06:52 PM (#4847950)
In other news: Yankees playing hardball with Jeter and A-Rod...
   5. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 23, 2014 at 06:52 PM (#4847951)
That would be my expectation Dan. I can't figure out how it makes sense to sign both.
   6. GGC Posted: November 23, 2014 at 06:58 PM (#4847952)
hat would be my expectation Dan. I can't figure out how it makes sense to sign both.


It doesn't; at least to me. Even if Middlebrooks is on the outs, you have Boegarts and Cechinni (sp.)
   7. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: November 23, 2014 at 07:47 PM (#4847964)
I think they just need two more bullpen aces to go with Koji, judging from all the articles I read in the playoffs about how the Royals have the new blueprint for success.
   8. bookbook Posted: November 23, 2014 at 08:15 PM (#4847978)
Do they think Magic Johnson's going to buy another team and bail them out again? This seems like quite the high wire act to repeat so soon.
   9. Textbook Editor Posted: November 23, 2014 at 08:20 PM (#4847979)
WTF?

Unless they have some sort of plan in place to trade Bogaerts (ugh, if true), this makes zero sense. And if they trade Bogaerts for Hamels, I will absolutely hate the deal.

   10. Textbook Editor Posted: November 23, 2014 at 08:25 PM (#4847981)
I mean, I could squint and see this as Sandoval at 1B, Hanley at 3B with Napoli going somewhere in a deal, but Has Sandoval ever even played 1B at any point? Yes, sure, if he played 3B you'd think he could play 1B but still...

And man, I am just not a fan of Hanley at this point. This better be some sort of leverage play to get Sandoval to commit. Either that or Luchhino's back to running the team, in which case... Aw, Jesus, we've seen how crappy that turns out. Has John Henry lost his mind letting that guy anywhere near baseball ops again?

Count me in the "sky is falling" camp if this turns out to be true.
   11. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: November 23, 2014 at 08:27 PM (#4847983)
This is feeling a little arthritic-mid-00s-Stinkees to me. I'd rather have Ramirez than Panda, but frankly, the Sox don't have a particular need for either one of them. Yes, they need things -- but the left side of the infield is not an area of need for them at all. This feels like signing famous guys bc they're what's available.
   12. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: November 23, 2014 at 08:35 PM (#4847986)
Has Sandoval ever even played 1B at any point? Yes, sure, if he played 3B you'd think he could play 1B but still...


He's played some for the Giants. In fact had to go on the DL in 2012 with a strained hammy doing a stretch for a ball.
   13. DCA Posted: November 23, 2014 at 08:45 PM (#4847991)
Hanley is a very good player. 9 WAR (6.3 WAA) in about 2/3 playing time the last 2 years. Bogaerts was barely replacement level last year. Replacing Bogaerts with Hanley is likely to be a 3-6 win upgrade in the short term, depending on how well Hanley stays on the field.

Yeah, don't throw away the young guy with potential, but Hanley's the kind of player you get whenever you can and figure out the details later.

EDIT: Trading for Hamels isn't throwing him away. Bogaerts for Hamels and then signing Hanley is expensive, but it's probably an upgrade of 8-10 wins for 2015.
   14. Scott Ross Posted: November 23, 2014 at 10:05 PM (#4848035)
Hanley's the kind of player you get whenever you can and figure out the details later

The guy has averaged 136 games per season in his career, only 121 over the last five years, during which he's only posted 2.7 WAR/year. The value of his bat drops the minute he moves off of SS, he's on the wrong side of 30 and the Sox already sent this guy packing once because he had a crap attitude. I've seen this movie, it's not very good.
   15. tfbg9 Posted: November 23, 2014 at 10:15 PM (#4848043)
Screw it. Sign 'em all. Best Team Evah II!

I think the idea might be stick HanRam in LF, let him jog around out there and avoid the DL for once, and hope he puts up a 140 OPS+ and 4.5 WAR.

Yes, that's an awful lot of RHB's.
   16. DanO Posted: November 23, 2014 at 10:35 PM (#4848052)
Maybe the Sox can sign them both, then trade them both to the Dodgers for salary relief in a year and half.
   17. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: November 23, 2014 at 11:43 PM (#4848066)
Apparently Hanley's signing for 5/90, per Rosenthal.
   18. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 23, 2014 at 11:53 PM (#4848069)
I'm stunned that Ramirez isn't getting more than that.
   19. Dock Ellis Posted: November 23, 2014 at 11:56 PM (#4848070)
Agreed. That's a great deal.
   20. SY Ruined School Lunches! Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:07 AM (#4848072)
Fantastic deal, but they really need to just play him at third and move on to pitching. I'm guessing this is going to get way too complicated, in typical Red Sox fashion.
   21. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:12 AM (#4848074)
OK, but now WTF is going on with Sandoval? I'm not sure I like the idea of almost completely punting defense at 3B.
   22. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:18 AM (#4848077)
Unreliable Twitter sources are saying Sandoval is on a plane to Boston at this moment.

FWIW today (Monday) is the 9th anniversary of Ramirez being traded to Miami.
   23. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:22 AM (#4848078)
Unreliable Twitter sources are saying Sandoval is on a plane to Boston at this moment.


Like his sister's cousin's brother's friend at 31 flavors unreliable?

Bah. This means Bogaerts is getting dealt. I'm upset.
   24. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:25 AM (#4848079)
Unreliable Twitter sources are saying Sandoval is on a plane to Boston at this moment.


Damn, if only he weren't so stealthy and we could confirm this!

   25. PreservedFish Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:27 AM (#4848080)
Surprisingly reasonable deal.
   26. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4848082)
Like his sister's cousin's brother's friend at 31 flavors unreliable?


About that.

By the way, can someone hire this Chris Meola guy? He's having a nice off-season for a guy who isn't actually a writer.
   27. PreservedFish Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4848083)
Why do these deals get finalized at midnight on Sunday evening? Is that just when the news happened to leak, or are people actually working at this hour?
   28. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:30 AM (#4848084)
I assume people are working at this hour.
   29. PreservedFish Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:32 AM (#4848085)
Why? Doesn't seem so urgent to me.
   30. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:34 AM (#4848086)
Here's the 'evidence'.
   31. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:34 AM (#4848087)
dp
   32. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:34 AM (#4848088)
I don't know. The Carl Crawford deal happened at like 3 AM if I remember correctly. I suspect it is one of those things where flight schedules are involved. If Ramirez' agent has to be on a 9AM flight tomorrow (um...today) and the deal is coming together no reason not to just work through the night and get it done. Then he goes to Cincinnati or wherever for his next client.
   33. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:34 AM (#4848089)
Rich people are always working, it's part of the reason why they are wealthy.
   34. PreservedFish Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:35 AM (#4848090)
What on earth would they do with Bogaerts?
   35. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:38 AM (#4848091)
What on earth would they do with Bogaerts?
Hopefully keep him, put Hanley in LF and trade Cespedes (along with Victorino and Craig or Nava, presumably). I admit that doesn't make much sense, but more than trading Bogaerts and sticking Hanley at SS.

Man I hope Sandoval forgot something at his hotel, or just wants another lobster roll.
   36. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:38 AM (#4848092)
The working theory at the moment is that Pablo would play third, Hanley would play left and Xander would play short. I don't think that is a wise move but I don't really want to trade him for Hamels either and that is acknowledging that Hamels is one hell of a pitcher.
   37. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:38 AM (#4848093)
What on earth would they do with Bogaerts?


Presumably a centerpiece in a trade for Hamels (or any other #1/#2 SP).

Though FWIW, Philly-related sports Twitter sites seem calm at the moment.
   38. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM (#4848094)
Is the working theory of the FO "Hey, if Manny can play LF in Fenway, anyone can!"?
   39. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:40 AM (#4848095)
The trade rumors if Stanton hadn't signed last week would be absolutely hysterical.
   40. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:42 AM (#4848097)
s the working theory of the FO "Hey, if Manny can play LF in Fenway, anyone can!"?


Cespedes was pretty awful out there after the trade. His arm made up for a lot of it but yeah you pretty much have it.
   41. PreservedFish Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:44 AM (#4848098)
The trade rumors if Stanton hadn't signed last week would be absolutely hysterical.

Who's to say that the Marlins aren't looking to unload him?
   42. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:45 AM (#4848099)
Who's to say that the Marlins aren't looking to unload him?
Cespedes is Cuban...
   43. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:48 AM (#4848100)
Cespedes AND Castillo are Cuban...
   44. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:50 AM (#4848101)
For those not in The States or are trying to escape the inevitable holiday advertising blitz, we are coming up on one of the busiest travel periods of the year, so there might have been the imperative to gitter dunn before the craziness begins in earnest.

This assumes that peeps need to meet in the flesh to gitter dunn. I'm not sure why Pablo himself and not his agent can't sign the deal.
   45. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:51 AM (#4848102)
I'm sure Pablo (or any other player) is going to want his agent to review the deal before signing. Just generally it is easier to conduct business face to face I think.
   46. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:51 AM (#4848103)
Cespedes AND Castillo are Cuban...
They'll throw-in Moncado as a PTBNL.
   47. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:56 AM (#4848104)
Betts/Cespedes/Castillo/Craig/Webster/Owens for Stanton?

See--we can make these rumors happen--we just have to will it into existence!
   48. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:58 AM (#4848105)
Looks like Sandoval is done at 5 years, $102 million.
   49. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:59 AM (#4848107)
Done for who?
   50. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:59 AM (#4848108)
TE - Gotta get Cecchini and Middlebrooks in there!
   51. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 12:59 AM (#4848109)
Sorry, Red Sox.
   52. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:01 AM (#4848110)
Bah.


TE - Gotta get Cecchini and Middlebrooks in there!


Sure! Every left-sided IF must go!
   53. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:01 AM (#4848111)
Post 51 works on at least two levels.
   54. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:01 AM (#4848112)
The Sandoval story doesn't seem as certain as the Ramirez rumors.
   55. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:02 AM (#4848113)
So now the only question is: Is Betts or Bogaerts part of whatever deal they have in place for a SP? Or are they just going to give away Cepedes for a bucket of balls to clear salary and fire Craig and WMB into the sun?
   56. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:03 AM (#4848114)
Post 51 works on at least two levels.


Yeah it does.
   57. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:03 AM (#4848115)

The Sandoval story doesn't seem as certain as the Ramirez rumors.


Who's the source, Jose?
   58. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:04 AM (#4848116)
I really really really don't want to trade Bogaerts.
   59. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:05 AM (#4848117)
Who's the source, Jose?


It's a bunch of different Twitter people but no one I've heard of yet. Given that the Stanton and Ramirez deals were reported similarly I don't want to dismiss them.
   60. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:08 AM (#4848118)
I really really really don't want to trade Bogaerts.
Yeah, *and* I really really really don't want to see Hanley at SS. In aggregate it'd just be an absolute ########### of a move.
   61. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:08 AM (#4848119)
OK, I've gone through the different Twitterers and have yet to find anyone who seems to be a working journalist. Looks like everyone is basing it on the same report. May have jumped the gun.
   62. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:09 AM (#4848121)
I really really really don't want to trade Bogaerts.


x2

I know I'm being irrational, but I think the kid's going to be awesome, and I want it to be for my team. To sign Ramirez to play SS just makes no sense. It's not like Panda's so rangy to his left he can cover for him.

Gah, all this points to Betts or Bogaerts going in some sort of trade. I will now be irrationally excited if we manage to hold onto both of them.
   63. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:12 AM (#4848122)
Is Hanley's arm bad enough to make playing him there for a year while Cecchini gets ready a big problem? Even if they keep Bogaerts, if the impetus behind signing Sandoval is now down to a marginal defensive improvement, they'd better be getting something useful from Cespedes and whoever else they move from the OF.
   64. covelli chris p Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:18 AM (#4848125)
while Cecchini gets ready


at this point, i don't think cecchini's gonna be the guy. he could get time in the outfield or 1b, but they seem determined to give the 3b job to somebody else. devers and chavis could be options down the road, though.
   65. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:21 AM (#4848126)
The working theory at the moment is that Pablo would play third, Hanley would play left . . .

Hanley would play Left Field on the road; at Fenway, the Red Sox told him he could play Deep Third.
   66. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:21 AM (#4848127)
Devers could be one of the guys getting dealt, too, if Bogaerts stays at SS.

I could see Devers/Cacchini/Cespedes (and hell, maybe Craig) being a very interesting package to get s SP--assuming the team you're dealing with doesn't need a SP back in return.
   67. Nasty Nate Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:22 AM (#4848128)
I assume Bogaerts SS, Hanley 3b, Sandoval on a different team.
   68. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:24 AM (#4848129)
Devers is another guy I don't want dealt simply because I saw him at spring training and he looked awesome so I fell in love.
   69. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:26 AM (#4848130)
I assume Bogaerts SS, Hanley 3b, Sandoval on a different team.


OK, but if that's the case, why make the offer to Sandoval, only to basically sign someone else--seemingly out of the blue--to play the same position basically 48 hours later?

I mean, I get that maybe you need to keep both in play because you could be left with 0 guys to sign, but if they offered both guys deals and said (basically) "Whoever gets back to us first gets the deal." you'd have thought this info would have leaked out somewhere...

I'm still sort of assuming Sandoval gets done, in which case I'm really scratching my head.
   70. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:29 AM (#4848131)
Well it may be that they didn't expect to be able to sign Hanley so cheaply or alternatively they have come to believe Panda is signing elsewhere so theyoved onto plan b.
   71. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:29 AM (#4848132)
Devers is another guy I don't want dealt simply because I saw him at spring training and he looked awesome so I fell in love.


Yeah. This.

I mean, I get that at some point only 2 guys can play 3B/SS at one time, so inevitably some of this depth was getting shipped out, it's just that... I guess I don't have much faith that what we'll get back for all these pieces is going to amount to much. And if we wind up signing Sandoval/Hanley and trading for Hamels (or someone like that) while NOT getting Lester, I'm not really going to be happy, because we'll still be (to me) something like one #2 SP away from an acceptable rotation, given all the other $ you're spending/expectations you're creating.
   72. tfbg9 Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:32 AM (#4848133)
5/90 is pretty reasonable. The guy in Miami was right again.

Now get Pablo and Lester, Ben. Crazy day.
   73. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:33 AM (#4848134)
And, again, I really like Hamels. In a vacuum. If I could sign him to a 5-year/$110-$125 deal, I believe I would, and happily do so. But to trade a bunch of our depth AND pay him pretty close to market rate... It just seems like a waste of resources that could otherwise be used to generate a #2 SP on a better-than-market deal.

   74. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:34 AM (#4848135)
Now get Pablo and Lester, Ben. Crazy day.


I'm more than OK with this if Hanley is going to LF. But then you still need a #2 guy via either trade or FA.
   75. PreservedFish Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:37 AM (#4848137)
Maybe they'll move Sandoval back to catcher!
   76. tfbg9 Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:41 AM (#4848138)
I'm really hoping Hanley will be in left. Because I too wanna see X at SS.

Betts
Pedey
Papi
Hanley
Panda
Nap
Cespedes
X
Vasquez

I can see going to war with that. And they have Victorino, Castillo, and Craig. And Holt!













   77. tfbg9 Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:48 AM (#4848139)
Hanley and Papi are supposed to be very close friends. Uncle/Nephew type thing.
   78. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 01:48 AM (#4848140)
EDIT - I got duped by a fake Twitter account. That is my sign it's time for bed.
   79. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 24, 2014 at 07:39 AM (#4848151)
These look like the sorts of moves the GM of a big-budget club makes when he's trying to not get fired. Get better right now, and to hell with the consequences.
   80. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 08:11 AM (#4848157)
Vlad - I agree with that assessment. Heyman is saying that the panda is done too.
   81. Dan Posted: November 24, 2014 at 08:19 AM (#4848161)
That's possible, but the Red Sox have all kinds of flexibility to spend at the moment. Their future payroll obligations before any FA signings were on par with the Rays rather than other large market teams. There's no point in making moves to increase your payroll flexibility if you're never going to spend to take advantage of that flexibility. This is very different from the 2010-2011 offseason where the Sox went out and signed Crawford and traded for/extended Adrian Gonzalez because that team already had limited flexibility and had core guys that were aging into late arbitration and post arbitration salaries (Pedroia, Ellsbury, Lester, Buchholz, etc were all getting to 5-6 years of service time). Right now the Sox have several pre-arb players as well as more highly-touted prospects on the way as well as very limited money committed past 2015, so it's a good time to go big on FA spending. I don't know that signing both Sandoval and Hanley is really worthwhile, but one or the other + Lester or Scherzer certainly makes all the sense in the world. If they want to go for both of those guys plus one of the pitchers, they do have the room to do that, even if it seems like overkill.
   82. AC Posted: November 24, 2014 at 08:27 AM (#4848163)
All your third base are now belong to us
   83. tfbg9 Posted: November 24, 2014 at 08:42 AM (#4848167)
Ben Cherrington can't make these kind of deals w/o Henry saying ok.
   84. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: November 24, 2014 at 08:48 AM (#4848169)
Looks like 5/100 for Panda to the Red Sox.
   85. Lassus Posted: November 24, 2014 at 08:49 AM (#4848170)
Sandoval deal reported done, 5/100. I can't even figure out if this thread knew that or not.

EDIT: BAM scooped by the Shooty. Marriage has sharpened his reflexes.
   86. jmurph Posted: November 24, 2014 at 08:50 AM (#4848171)
These look like the sorts of moves the GM of a big-budget club makes when he's trying to not get fired. Get better right now, and to hell with the consequences.


I just don't worry like that anymore. Seems that literally everyone is tradable now, no matter how bad their deal gets.
   87. Dan Posted: November 24, 2014 at 08:58 AM (#4848174)
Forgot to mention in post 81 that it's also a good winter for the Red Sox to spend because they have a protected first round draft pick.
   88. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:00 AM (#4848176)
I guess this means Bogaerts is getting packaged for a starting pitcher, no?
   89. Stormy JE Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:01 AM (#4848177)
Two words: Brandon McCarthy.
   90. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:01 AM (#4848178)
Alex Speier is saying Sandoval's agent says that discussion is "premature." My guess is it is a done deal but there are some nitpicks to iron out.
   91. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:02 AM (#4848179)
I guess this means Bogaerts is getting packaged for a starting pitcher, no?


This is the big fear. I think that would be a mistake. If the Sox trade Bogaerts for Hamels (the likeliest option) then put Hanley at shortstop I will be less than delighted.
   92. Lassus Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:08 AM (#4848182)
If the Sox trade Bogaerts for Hamels (the likeliest option) then put Hanley at shortstop I will be less than delighted.

If Hanley's at short and Bogaerts is definitely going, what pitcher would render you more delighted than a Hamels return?
   93. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:12 AM (#4848183)
If Hanley's at short, and Bogaerts is definitely going, what pitcher would render you more delighted than a Hamels return?


None. Hamels is a terrific pitcher but I think a better off-season would be to sign one of Pablo/Hanley then throw a #### ton of money at Lester or Scherzer while keeping Bogaerts. I expect that over the next five years Bogaerts will be better than Ramirez.

Bogaerts for Hamels is a very reasonable trade. It's not a criticism of Hamels or that possible deal. In a vacuum it makes a lot of sense but I don't think this is the best use of resources for the Sox.
   94. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:12 AM (#4848184)
If Hanley's at short and Bogaerts is definitely going, what pitcher would render you more delighted than a Hamels return?


Well, Chris Sale, for starters.
   95. jmurph Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:13 AM (#4848185)
As others have pointed out, you have to not only pay Hamels, you have to dump a pile of prospects on the Phillies for the opportunity to do so. Let the Cubs do that, and just sign Lester.
   96. jmurph Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:14 AM (#4848187)
I can't imagine Boston plans to put Hanley and Pablo on the left side of the infield. Hanley would either be in LF, or Pablo will be at 1b.
   97. Nasty Nate Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:18 AM (#4848191)
I can't imagine Boston plans to put Hanley and Pablo on the left side of the infield. Hanley would either be in LF, or Pablo will be at 1b.
I agree. But nothing would surprise me at this point.
   98. jmurph Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:20 AM (#4848193)
I agree. But nothing would surprise me at this point.


Eh, that would definitely surprise me. Hanley has trouble staying healthy, period, you don't just pencil that guy in for 140+ starts at SS. If both these deals do happen, I have to think Xander is still the SS (they could also use someone on a pre-arb deal like him to offset the money they're paying the two new guys).

EDIT: To trade Xander now while he is A. still cheap and B. coming off an unimpressive season, would be fairly stupid. I think that would cement my opinion of Cherington as generally not having a plan.
   99. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:26 AM (#4848194)
Doesn't Sandoval lose a bunch of value as a 1b?
   100. Textbook Editor Posted: November 24, 2014 at 09:27 AM (#4848195)

As others have pointed out, you have to not only pay Hamels, you have to dump a pile of prospects on the Phillies for the opportunity to do so. Let the Cubs do that, and just sign Lester.


Right. This. Unless... Unless... The plan is Lester AND Hamels. In that scenario, I will reluctantly be OK with losing Bogaerts. Or Betts. But not both.

or Pablo will be at 1b.


Yeah, this thought occurred to me last night: Napoli + Cespedes going in a trade makes a certain amount of sense if your trade partner wants this. But with both on 1-year deals, I can't imagine you're getting a big-name SP in return. Cincy has no use for Napoli, and now neither do the White Sox. I mean, I can sort of squint and see Napoli going to Philly as part of a Hamels package (with the Phillies releasing Howard); he'd be a Thome-type figure that would beloved by the fan base. But you really take away power if you get rid of Napoli, and then you have that issue that Ramirez really shouldn't play the left side of an infield...

I guess we'll have to just wait for the trade shoe to drop. I hope there's a plan other than SIGN BATS.

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