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1. Swedish Chef Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:19 AM (#4224278)edit: And I like the emphasis on what the former Red Sox players did. The knife...it twists. Now, of course, the A's will get shutout today and Bailey will get the save.
Yep, the Red Sox Pythag is definitely more accurate after that game.
Great to see Moss having success. I always liked him when he was here but there was ever a spot for him. Would rather he not do it against us but at this point I'd rather the protected draft pick and fired manger than the wins,
Yeah, that'll make me feel better about the trade.
I know people are pretty upset about Reddick (and rightly so), but Moss doesn't bother me at all. He wasn't much of a player when they dealt him.
I think we can all hope for a 2 HR, 0 K line for Cook's next appearance.
Incredibly, they still have more runs scored than allowed for the season.
But damn I wish I'd been there last night...it would have been sweet to see them leaving early, collective tail between legs.
Sox are still 86% to make the 2011 playoffs.
Yessss....yesssss....let the hate flow through you.
I take it you wern't alive in the early 90's?
I used to take remarks like this personally. But I hope that the current lack of success will thin out the ranks of the obnoxious Red Sox fans and folks like you, Traderdave, and Shredder, Dial, Peng, scareduck, Rev Halofan et cetera won't hate on those of us who have been Red Sox fans since birth anymore. It's not like I'm going to change teams so live with it.
To be fair to 'em, going to Red Sox games in 2001 versus going to Red Sox games in 2004 in Oaktown was a very different kettle of fish.
"Where were you when the A's beat us all the time?" was a thought going through my head frequently.
Shittalking threads are so rare in BBTF,... LET'S DO THIS!!
It doesn't takes "stones" it takes manners. Show up. Wear your team's hat. Cheer politely. Engage home fans in friendly banter. Nobody will get upset, in fact you'll be welcome genially. It happens at every game with every other team's fans. It's the Bay Area, there are transplants from everywhere. Act respectably, and you'll start getting a reputation for respectability.
There was a point a few days ago in the Angels series where a chant of "Let's go Red Sox!!" arose. My heart was filled with pride. I felt like the Brits at Rorke's Drift.
P.S. Just kidding.
P.P.S. Mostly.
You haven't spent much time in Southern Calfornia, I take it.
This a thousand times over. I've seen the Sox in several different cities (never Oakland) and never had a problem. It's not hard to do. At the same time I see the same thing at work at Fenway, if you aren't a complete ######### no problems. Interestingly the one group I had a problem with was Giant fans in 2007. I don't know what it was but they were a surly bunch. My theory was they were kind of sick of seeing their favorite son vilified everywhere and had gotten a bit of a chip on their collective shoulders for which I couldn't blame them.
But really, not being a dink isn't that tough. I've found that if you cheer for your team reasonably you have no problems. If you react to a two out first inning single like you've just won the World Series or start heckling the home team, then you are going to have a bad day.
The current pace of winning about once a week should get it done.
Actually if my math is right we are currently there. We've got the 9th worst record in baseball so we're looking good. I am optimistic that this is one job Bobby Valentine is absolutely up to. He can guide this team to a 70-92 finish if he sets his mind to it.
Oh Jose. My projection was 72-90 before AGon was traded. That knocked it down to 70-92...and now it would not shock me at all if they only won 5 games in September. This team always manages to exceed my most pessimistic projections.
Though I've never been to Fenway I've seen the Sox in several cities (many games in Oakland, 1-2 games in other places). While the behavior hasn't been uniform in those places, one constant has been "cheer like you've just won the WS." Sox fans are a LOUD and often overzealous lot. I've seen them scream their brains out when Pedro went 0-1 on a batter early in the game. The other thing that's a constant is drunkenness -- Sox fans are boozy in the extreme, and I say that as a fair tippler myself.
For some reason though, these two things go together like gasoline & a match in Oakland (or did, like I said, I gave up a few years ago). Trash talking and criticism aside, a serious question: why is Oakland the place where they act up so nastily?
Apparently, some Red Sox fans were wearing paper bags over their heads. It slows the beer consumption but does send a message. If 30,000+ fans did the same at Fenway, they'd probably have to fire Bobby V, no?
I have no idea. I've never been to Oakland so I don't have a sense of what it's like out there. I'd be surprised if Sox fans in Oakland are appreciably better/worse than Sox fans elsewhere though. I'm not saying you're wrong in your view of Sox fans in Oakland, if that's how the majority of them act, that's unacceptable.
There are going to be cultural differences at work here I think. I've worked with Californians (primarily San Fran and LA) a lot in my career and in my experience people in the northeast are just generally more intense than folks from that part of the country. I realize that's hardly a unique viewpoint and like all generalizations subject to a serious error but what a Bostonian may view as a reasonable amount of enthusiasm on a topic might seem over the top to someone more laid back.
Extremism in cheering for Pedro Martinez is no vice.
This is completely speculative of course, but part of it might be that relatively few of the Sawx fans at Oakland games actually live in Oakland - many come over from SF, where they live and do whatever tech/finance job brought them to the Bay Area. So it's not even as if they're sitting amongst the local crowd they've joined, they're completely on vacation, as this is just the pissant little suburb of the actual city they moved to -- they don't have to hold back at all.
This is one of the most amazing statistics I have ever seen. You figure you would strike out seven or eight in 74 innings by accident.
Well, we know they are capable of that.
That's not intensity, that's nasty arrogance. Do you really mean that?
Six years of going to A's games in Fenway, and I never once got a genial welcome. Friendly banter turned sour very quickly. And Sox fans in Oakland have been ######## from basically 2003 to present. So, while I good many of you are awesome people, I can't really ever recall a good experience at the Coli or in Fenway when the A's play the Sox. (Except when Travis Buck hit that HR against Papelbon. That was awesome. Getting a beer thrown at me was not.)
On the other hand, in Yankee Stadium, I was treated like road-weary guest, welcomed with open armed, and mercilessly but good-naturedly teased throughout the game. Hate the Yankees, love their fans.
I think the problem with Sox fans in Oakland is there aren't enough A's fans and they feel emboldened. Get 15 thousand more people from Hayward there and Sox fans will be much better behaved.
I know people are pretty upset about Reddick (and rightly so), but Moss doesn't bother me at all. He wasn't much of a player when they dealt him.
Yeah, really. It's been several years and iirc three different org.s since Moss was a Sox. Why didn't they mention Crisp?
So many years of pent up anger at watching the sox beat up on my A's,
Bizarro world.
If you react to a two out first inning single like you've just won the World Series or start heckling the home team, then you are going to have a bad day.
This couldn't be righter, but what rule applies to completely over-the-top ####-talking and verbal threats of physical violence by home fans to visiting fans? Because that's what I've mostly observed as a Sox fan in Oakland.
And before you (not you Jose, 'you' the bitter A's fans in this thread) get started, I'm not some dot-com carpetbagger or whatever, I've been a Sox fan since birth and attending Sox/A's games for almost 30 years. Cue up the 'those are just Raider fans' defense, I guess. Hard to understand where all this bitterness is coming from for an A's fan who has actually attended any Sox/A's games in the last 20+ years or lived through the late 80's/early 90's.
I can only speak for myself but I think the same general rules apply to home fans. I'm not a big fan of taunting or smack talk or that sort of thing though. I think home fans should be encouraged to be a bit more boisterous though, it is their home park after all.
In my experience both at Fenway and elsewhere both watching the Sox on the road and at games where I am a neutral (typically at the SABR convention) I find road fans to be ruder than home fans. I think the fact that most of those fans are either on vacation or getting to see a team they rarely see probably loosens them up a bit and they behave inappropriately.
Oakland Raiders residue that lingers in the Coliseum?
I think he means hottest fans *at the Oakland Coliseum*. Angels "fans" don't really travel.
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