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Saturday, September 01, 2012

Red Sox utterly shellacked in the East Bay

East Bay Ray Fosse: Trouble In Town...

Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine got stuck in traffic after picking his son up at San Francisco International Airport and didn’t arrive at Oakland Coliseum until about three hours before the first pitch Friday night.

He should have kept on driving and never looked back. Instead he saw the Red Sox beaten, 20-2, by the Athletics in another embarrassing display of baseball.

In what has been a season full of cringe-worthy moments, this was the worst. Oakland sent 12 batters to the plate in the seventh inning and scored nine runs.

Former Sox outfielder Josh Reddick capped the onslaught with his first career grand slam. He has 28 home runs and 73 RBIs.

Brandon Moss, the former Sox prospect, was 4 for 5 with a home run, two doubles, and a career-high four RBIs. George Kottaras, another former Red Sox player, homered twice and drove in five runs.

Oakland had 19 hits, five of them home runs.

Repoz Posted: September 01, 2012 at 02:46 AM | 51 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Swedish Chef Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:19 AM (#4224278)
Just fixing up their pythagorean.
   2. SteveF Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:39 AM (#4224279)
They came in second. No shame in coming in second.
   3. Walt Davis Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:26 AM (#4224280)
y'know, pre-season, I wasn't sure the A's would score 20 runs all year.
   4. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:32 AM (#4224282)
I am Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes, and I approved this message.
   5. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:43 AM (#4224293)
Juggernaut! You cannot stop the likes of George Kottaras, Cliff Pennington or Brandon Moss.

edit: And I like the emphasis on what the former Red Sox players did. The knife...it twists. Now, of course, the A's will get shutout today and Bailey will get the save.
   6. asinwreck Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:05 AM (#4224300)
I suppose it makes sense that Bobby's biggest influence this season is Pascual Perez.
   7. asinwreck Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:06 AM (#4224301)
If Ray Fosse is East Bay Ray, are those Gilman Street punks who broke Jello's leg Pete Rose?
   8. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:49 AM (#4224312)
Just fixing up their pythagorean.

Yep, the Red Sox Pythag is definitely more accurate after that game.
   9. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:06 AM (#4224319)
One day closer to the end of the Bobby V era.

Great to see Moss having success. I always liked him when he was here but there was ever a spot for him. Would rather he not do it against us but at this point I'd rather the protected draft pick and fired manger than the wins,
   10. DKDC Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:19 AM (#4224324)
SI's power rankings (which I think are purely fWAR rankings) had the Red Sox ranked #7 last week. I'm sure they won't mind seeing the Sox drop a few spots.
   11. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:22 AM (#4224327)
7th in what? MLB? That's insane. They're barely 7th in the division for cryin out loud.
   12. Darren Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:23 AM (#4224328)
And I like the emphasis on what the former Red Sox players did. The knife...it twists. Now, of course, the A's will get shutout today and Bailey will get the save.



Yeah, that'll make me feel better about the trade.

I know people are pretty upset about Reddick (and rightly so), but Moss doesn't bother me at all. He wasn't much of a player when they dealt him.
   13. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:29 AM (#4224331)
Aaron Cook has now struck out 11 batters and given up 10 home runs. The last time a pitcher's HRs allowed equalled or exceeded his Ks in 70+ innings was 1927 and Ted Wingfield (2 HR, 1 K, 74.2 IP). Pitchers pulled this off 7 times in the 19th century, including 3 seasons by Bill Stearns. His 1873 season (5 HR, 3K, 283 IP) is the most impressive.

I think we can all hope for a 2 HR, 0 K line for Cook's next appearance.
   14. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:57 AM (#4224341)
Just fixing up their pythagorean.

Incredibly, they still have more runs scored than allowed for the season.
   15. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4224348)
Keep going Oakland!
   16. Traderdave Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4224366)
I quit going to Boston games in Oakland several years ago. The Sawx fans were such an obnxious, infuriating bunch of drunken loutish lowlife loudmouth shiteating imbecilic ######## that it just killed any enjoyment of the game.

But damn I wish I'd been there last night...it would have been sweet to see them leaving early, collective tail between legs.
   17. Dale Sams Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:13 AM (#4224370)
SI's power rankings (which I think are purely fWAR rankings) had the Red Sox ranked #7 last week. I'm sure they won't mind seeing the Sox drop a few spots.


Sox are still 86% to make the 2011 playoffs.

But damn I wish I'd been there last night...it would have been sweet to see them leaving early, collective tail between legs


Yessss....yesssss....let the hate flow through you.
   18. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: September 01, 2012 at 11:43 AM (#4224388)
That was so awesome. So many years of pent up anger at watching the sox beat up on my A's, obnoxious sox fans in the Coli, 2003 ALDS, six long Boston winters while in school...all released in one sweet, sweet night.
   19. Textbook Editor Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4224406)
How badly do we have to tank to get a top-10 draft pick?
   20. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4224412)
But we have Andrew Bailey!
   21. Dale Sams Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4224413)
So many years of pent up anger at watching the sox beat up on my A's, obnoxious sox fans in the Coli, 2003 ALDS, six long Boston winters while in school...all released in one sweet, sweet night.


I take it you wern't alive in the early 90's?

   22. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:22 PM (#4224418)
21: In the early 90s I was spoiled by sports. A's and niners were awesome every year, to a ten year old all that winning seemed natural. I was entitled as a ten year old.
   23. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4224422)
I quit going to Boston games in Oakland several years ago. The Sawx fans were such an obnxious, infuriating bunch of drunken loutish lowlife loudmouth shiteating imbecilic ######## that it just killed any enjoyment of the game.


I used to take remarks like this personally. But I hope that the current lack of success will thin out the ranks of the obnoxious Red Sox fans and folks like you, Traderdave, and Shredder, Dial, Peng, scareduck, Rev Halofan et cetera won't hate on those of us who have been Red Sox fans since birth anymore. It's not like I'm going to change teams so live with it.
   24. Flynn Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4224423)
I doubt there were that many Red Sox fans in the park last night - the 20,000 crowd suggests as much - because the bandwagon is empty right now. So any Red Sox fans who were there are probably people most A's fans (not the Raider pseudo-gangbanger element, but I don't think they go to games anymore either). It takes some stones to go to a park like Oakland where the locals hate your guts when your team stinks on ice like the Sox do.
   25. Flynn Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4224426)
I used to take remarks like this personally. But I hope that the current lack of success will thin out the ranks of the obnoxious Red Sox fans and folks like you, Traderdave, and Shredder, Dial, Peng, scareduck, Rev Halofan et cetera won't hate on those of us who have been Red Sox fans since birth anymore. It's not like I'm going to change teams so live with it.


To be fair to 'em, going to Red Sox games in 2001 versus going to Red Sox games in 2004 in Oaktown was a very different kettle of fish.

"Where were you when the A's beat us all the time?" was a thought going through my head frequently.
   26. Dale Sams Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:32 PM (#4224430)
If i were as ugly as Rev Halofan, I'd be full of hate too.

Shittalking threads are so rare in BBTF,... LET'S DO THIS!!
   27. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4224434)
All we have left to root for is a better draft pick and spite for the Yankees. So I want the A's to sweep this series and have the Rays, O's, and A's all somehow overtake the Yankees.
   28. Danny Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4224446)
Baseball is awesome.
   29. Traderdave Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4224448)
It takes some stones to go to a park like Oakland where the locals hate your guts when your team stinks on ice like the Sox do
.


It doesn't takes "stones" it takes manners. Show up. Wear your team's hat. Cheer politely. Engage home fans in friendly banter. Nobody will get upset, in fact you'll be welcome genially. It happens at every game with every other team's fans. It's the Bay Area, there are transplants from everywhere. Act respectably, and you'll start getting a reputation for respectability.
   30. A triple short of the cycle Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4224460)
I agree with Trader Dave that the worst visiting fans in Oakland are Red Sox fans. However, the Red Sox also have the most attractive female fans so there is that silver lining.
   31. Dale Sams Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4224464)
It takes some stones to go to a park like Oakland where the locals hate your guts when your team stinks on ice like the Sox do.


There was a point a few days ago in the Angels series where a chant of "Let's go Red Sox!!" arose. My heart was filled with pride. I felt like the Brits at Rorke's Drift.
   32. theboyqueen Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:11 PM (#4224469)
Yankees games in Oakland are worse. Sometimes at A's - Sox games a "Yankees suck" chant will spontaneously break out at least.
   33. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:25 PM (#4224480)
But I hope that the current lack of success will thin out the ranks of the obnoxious Red Sox fans and folks like you, Traderdave, and Shredder, Dial, Peng, scareduck, Rev Halofan et cetera won't hate on those of us who have been Red Sox fans since birth anymore. It's not like I'm going to change teams so live with it.
DIE, CHOWD SCUM!

P.S. Just kidding.
P.P.S. Mostly.

However, the Red Sox also have the most attractive female fans so there is that silver lining.
You haven't spent much time in Southern Calfornia, I take it.
   34. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4224491)
It doesn't takes "stones" it takes manners. Show up. Wear your team's hat. Cheer politely. Engage home fans in friendly banter. Nobody will get upset, in fact you'll be welcome genially. It happens at every game with every other team's fans. It's the Bay Area, there are transplants from everywhere. Act respectably, and you'll start getting a reputation for respectability.


This a thousand times over. I've seen the Sox in several different cities (never Oakland) and never had a problem. It's not hard to do. At the same time I see the same thing at work at Fenway, if you aren't a complete ######### no problems. Interestingly the one group I had a problem with was Giant fans in 2007. I don't know what it was but they were a surly bunch. My theory was they were kind of sick of seeing their favorite son vilified everywhere and had gotten a bit of a chip on their collective shoulders for which I couldn't blame them.

But really, not being a dink isn't that tough. I've found that if you cheer for your team reasonably you have no problems. If you react to a two out first inning single like you've just won the World Series or start heckling the home team, then you are going to have a bad day.
   35. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4224496)
How badly do we have to tank to get a top-10 draft pick?


The current pace of winning about once a week should get it done.

Actually if my math is right we are currently there. We've got the 9th worst record in baseball so we're looking good. I am optimistic that this is one job Bobby Valentine is absolutely up to. He can guide this team to a 70-92 finish if he sets his mind to it.
   36. Dale Sams Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4224502)
He can guide this team to a 70-92 finish if he sets his mind to it.


Oh Jose. My projection was 72-90 before AGon was traded. That knocked it down to 70-92...and now it would not shock me at all if they only won 5 games in September. This team always manages to exceed my most pessimistic projections.
   37. Traderdave Posted: September 01, 2012 at 02:03 PM (#4224510)
If you react to a two out first inning single like you've just won the World Series or start heckling the home team, then you are going to have a bad day.



Though I've never been to Fenway I've seen the Sox in several cities (many games in Oakland, 1-2 games in other places). While the behavior hasn't been uniform in those places, one constant has been "cheer like you've just won the WS." Sox fans are a LOUD and often overzealous lot. I've seen them scream their brains out when Pedro went 0-1 on a batter early in the game. The other thing that's a constant is drunkenness -- Sox fans are boozy in the extreme, and I say that as a fair tippler myself.

For some reason though, these two things go together like gasoline & a match in Oakland (or did, like I said, I gave up a few years ago). Trash talking and criticism aside, a serious question: why is Oakland the place where they act up so nastily?

   38. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 01, 2012 at 02:26 PM (#4224530)
I doubt there were that many Red Sox fans in the park last night - the 20,000 crowd suggests as much . . .

Apparently, some Red Sox fans were wearing paper bags over their heads. It slows the beer consumption but does send a message. If 30,000+ fans did the same at Fenway, they'd probably have to fire Bobby V, no?
   39. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 01, 2012 at 02:37 PM (#4224536)
Trash talking and criticism aside, a serious question: why is Oakland the place where they act up so nastily?


I have no idea. I've never been to Oakland so I don't have a sense of what it's like out there. I'd be surprised if Sox fans in Oakland are appreciably better/worse than Sox fans elsewhere though. I'm not saying you're wrong in your view of Sox fans in Oakland, if that's how the majority of them act, that's unacceptable.

There are going to be cultural differences at work here I think. I've worked with Californians (primarily San Fran and LA) a lot in my career and in my experience people in the northeast are just generally more intense than folks from that part of the country. I realize that's hardly a unique viewpoint and like all generalizations subject to a serious error but what a Bostonian may view as a reasonable amount of enthusiasm on a topic might seem over the top to someone more laid back.
   40. PJ Martinez Posted: September 01, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4224540)
I've seen them scream their brains out when Pedro went 0-1 on a batter early in the game.

Extremism in cheering for Pedro Martinez is no vice.
   41. Squash Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4224577)
Trash talking and criticism aside, a serious question: why is Oakland the place where they act up so nastily?

This is completely speculative of course, but part of it might be that relatively few of the Sawx fans at Oakland games actually live in Oakland - many come over from SF, where they live and do whatever tech/finance job brought them to the Bay Area. So it's not even as if they're sitting amongst the local crowd they've joined, they're completely on vacation, as this is just the pissant little suburb of the actual city they moved to -- they don't have to hold back at all.
   42. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4224581)
1 K, 74.2 IP


This is one of the most amazing statistics I have ever seen. You figure you would strike out seven or eight in 74 innings by accident.
   43. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4224583)
it would not shock me at all if they only won 5 games in September.

Well, we know they are capable of that.
   44. Traderdave Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4224606)
So it's not even as if they're sitting amongst the local crowd they've joined, they're completely on vacation, as this is just the pissant little suburb of the actual city they moved to -- they don't have to hold back at all.


That's not intensity, that's nasty arrogance. Do you really mean that?
   45. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4224616)
It doesn't takes "stones" it takes manners. Show up. Wear your team's hat. Cheer politely. Engage home fans in friendly banter. Nobody will get upset, in fact you'll be welcome genially. It happens at every game with every other team's fans. It's the Bay Area, there are transplants from everywhere. Act respectably, and you'll start getting a reputation for respectability.


Six years of going to A's games in Fenway, and I never once got a genial welcome. Friendly banter turned sour very quickly. And Sox fans in Oakland have been ######## from basically 2003 to present. So, while I good many of you are awesome people, I can't really ever recall a good experience at the Coli or in Fenway when the A's play the Sox. (Except when Travis Buck hit that HR against Papelbon. That was awesome. Getting a beer thrown at me was not.)

On the other hand, in Yankee Stadium, I was treated like road-weary guest, welcomed with open armed, and mercilessly but good-naturedly teased throughout the game. Hate the Yankees, love their fans.
   46. puck Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:38 PM (#4224626)
Maybe it's the area. Sox fans at Coors Field seem like mostly transplants, lots of families. So they're not too obnoxious. Maybe part of the effect is that the team so rarely has games in Denver, though. And I guess I don't sit in the rowdy parts of the park (if there are any).
   47. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: September 01, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4224654)
Ha! Good one.

I think the problem with Sox fans in Oakland is there aren't enough A's fans and they feel emboldened. Get 15 thousand more people from Hayward there and Sox fans will be much better behaved.
   48. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: September 01, 2012 at 05:33 PM (#4224655)
This thread is crazy clown town.

I know people are pretty upset about Reddick (and rightly so), but Moss doesn't bother me at all. He wasn't much of a player when they dealt him.

Yeah, really. It's been several years and iirc three different org.s since Moss was a Sox. Why didn't they mention Crisp?

So many years of pent up anger at watching the sox beat up on my A's,

Bizarro world.

If you react to a two out first inning single like you've just won the World Series or start heckling the home team, then you are going to have a bad day.

This couldn't be righter, but what rule applies to completely over-the-top ####-talking and verbal threats of physical violence by home fans to visiting fans? Because that's what I've mostly observed as a Sox fan in Oakland.

And before you (not you Jose, 'you' the bitter A's fans in this thread) get started, I'm not some dot-com carpetbagger or whatever, I've been a Sox fan since birth and attending Sox/A's games for almost 30 years. Cue up the 'those are just Raider fans' defense, I guess. Hard to understand where all this bitterness is coming from for an A's fan who has actually attended any Sox/A's games in the last 20+ years or lived through the late 80's/early 90's.
   49. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:29 PM (#4224707)
what rule applies to completely over-the-top ####-talking and verbal threats of physical violence by home fans to visiting fans?


I can only speak for myself but I think the same general rules apply to home fans. I'm not a big fan of taunting or smack talk or that sort of thing though. I think home fans should be encouraged to be a bit more boisterous though, it is their home park after all.

In my experience both at Fenway and elsewhere both watching the Sox on the road and at games where I am a neutral (typically at the SABR convention) I find road fans to be ruder than home fans. I think the fact that most of those fans are either on vacation or getting to see a team they rarely see probably loosens them up a bit and they behave inappropriately.
   50. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4224798)
Trash talking and criticism aside, a serious question: why is Oakland the place where they act up so nastily?

Oakland Raiders residue that lingers in the Coliseum?
   51. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: September 01, 2012 at 10:36 PM (#4224841)
You haven't spent much time in Southern Calfornia, I take it.

I think he means hottest fans *at the Oakland Coliseum*. Angels "fans" don't really travel.

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