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Red Sox want to do away with ‘racist’ legacy of famed Yawkey Way

Henry said he would like to see it changed to David Ortiz Way or Big Papi Way, in honour of the Dominican Republic-born Red Sox great who retired following last season. A portion of the street was named David Ortiz Drive in his honour this past June.

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   101. Morty Causa Posted: August 19, 2017 at 06:04 PM (#5516992)
Yawkey was a racist and a bad owner, but it's not called Yawkey Way in honor of his racism... I wouldn't change the name.

Yes, Yawkey spent a lot of his money keeping the Red Sox alive, and at the same time keeping baseball in Boston after the Braves left. He was also very generous, comparatively for the times, with players (especially compared to his arch-rival and cheapskates the Yankees). He simply thought, rightly or wrongly, that he was not obligated to bankrupt his franchise to integrate quickly and heavily when he thought there would be hell to pay in attendance if he did.
   102. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 19, 2017 at 06:06 PM (#5516994)
In any event, as others have noted, Thurmond was really the only Dixiecrat Senator to switch parties,
Well, Helms wasn't a senator at the time, but he did shift parties from the Democrats to the GOP.
   103. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 19, 2017 at 06:08 PM (#5516995)
Yes, Yawkey spent a lot of his money keeping the Red Sox alive, and at the same time keeping baseball in Boston after the Braves left. He was also very generous, comparatively for the times, with players (especially compared to his arch-rival and cheapskates the Yankees). He simply thought, rightly or wrongly, that he was not obligated to bankrupt his franchise to integrate quickly and heavily when he thought there would be hell to pay in attendance if he did.
Well, that's disingenuous. In 1947 it certainly might have been rational to believe that integration would hurt attendance. But it was clear long before the Sox integrated that this wasn't a concern.
   104. bookbook Posted: August 19, 2017 at 06:09 PM (#5516996)
It's an interesting question. Republicans don't set up voting requirements to make it harder for Blacks, poor people, and students to vote than everybody else solely out of racism. Of course, the reason they do it is because those demographic groups overwhelmingly vote against them. They don't cut off early voting and put too few voting machines in black neighborhoods out of racism. They do it to win elections.

What a relief,
   105. DavidFoss Posted: August 19, 2017 at 06:27 PM (#5517010)
Thurmond was really the only Dixiecrat Senator to switch parties


Where the myth comes from is that you simply could not be a Republican in a statewide office in many southern states. Democrats and the flipped Thurman held both Senate seats in SC between 1878-2002. NC was 1902-1972. AL was 1878-1980. MS was 1880-1978. GA was 1872-1980. TN wasn't as extreme but was still 1912-1966. A similar dominance happened at the Governor level.

All these states are solidly red these days so at some point the voters decided that they *could* vote for a Republican and then eventually they all did. But over the years, most individual office holders did not flip so you ended up with transitional democrats like Sam Nunn, Dale Bumpers and Howell Heflin. I don't know what party those guys would caucus in if a time machine transported them to today.
   106. Tim D Posted: August 19, 2017 at 06:51 PM (#5517019)
Sam Nunn would probably quit and go home. No room for professionals in this Congress.
   107. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 19, 2017 at 07:36 PM (#5517054)
He simply thought, rightly or wrongly, that he was not obligated to bankrupt his franchise to integrate quickly and heavily when he thought there would be hell to pay in attendance if he did.

Doesn't it matter if he was wrong? Doesn't it matter that he was willing to cater to the most racist preferences of his fan base if he was "right" about them? Wouldn't it say a lot about Boston if integrating the team would have actually bankrupted Yawkey, when every other team managed to survive? Yawkey wasn't just a little slow here, he was 12+ years behind the Dodgers, and more than year behind the next to last team to integrate. And even then, it's not like he put much effort into it. No offense to Pumpsie Green, but the Red Sox could probably have found a better player if they'd been really been committed to changing their tune here.
   108. Morty Causa Posted: August 19, 2017 at 09:14 PM (#5517119)
Veeck (that notorious racist) recounts that Yawkey was a friend who supported him in trying to get teams in choice territories throughout the ‘50s, which the Yankees frustrated and stymied all his attempts, most of which choice territory then went to the National League. Indeed, while Yawkey was throwing money down the rat hole trying to keep baseball going in Boston during the ‘50s and ‘60s, the Yankees were selling out the AL to the NL, and especially to the Dodgers, who, you may have heard, forthwith abandoned its Brooklyn franchise when things got a little dear at the gate, absconding to those greener pastures as briskly as it could with little qualm with the traitorous aid of the Yankees while Yawkey toughed it out in Boston.

As for his moral duty to take a chance earlier, that’s easy for someone who has no skin in the game to say in a righteous orgy of hindsight and Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
   109. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 19, 2017 at 10:40 PM (#5517148)
Indeed, while Yawkey was throwing money down the rat hole trying to keep baseball going in Boston during the ‘50s and ‘60s,
No.

And you've really got to keep your apologia straight. We should admire him because he was willing to lose money to keep baseball going in Boston, or we shouldn't condemn him because he shouldn't be expected to risk losing money to treat people decently? (Nevermind that it's a transparent lie that this was his motivation.)
   110. Morty Causa Posted: August 20, 2017 at 07:59 AM (#5517196)
Flush your tongue and start over, Nieporent. What a strange, paper mache libertarian you are. You're babbling incoherently, weakly attempting, as usual, to camouflage in a miasma of skunk-spray of parsing and quibbling your inability to address the facts as presented, which facts support that Yawkey was indeed a laudable executive in many ways.
   111. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 20, 2017 at 01:14 PM (#5517274)
Yawkey didn't pour money into a rathole trying to resurrect the Red Sox franchise. He poured money into player purchases and in doing that he succeeded in elevating the Red Sox from near-permanent cellar dwellers** to the status of a perennial contender----as long as the rest of the AL kept itself as equally lily white as his "Millionaires", in the form of a de facto Gentleman's Agreement.

But once beginning with Veeck, the rest of the league began to integrate, his racist policies really began to hurt the team, and it took him well into the 60's before those policies began to change.

** If the White Sox had beaten the Red Sox in but one more game at some point during the 1924 season, the Red Sox would've set the unbreakable record of finishing 8th in an 8-team league nine straight years. Even Connie Mack's A's at their worst could never have sunk that low.
   112. Adward Posted: August 21, 2017 at 05:38 AM (#5517710)
The crayoning in this thread is surely a sign of things to come. All it would take is one stripe of paint and we could have the Ya Nkey Way in Boston. But who would this bleacher of such an odious creature be? The AntiPa! It's time to stop him before he grabs someone you love by the Pesky.
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