I guarantee that any other player who let a steroid dealer live with him in his house for free would automatically be assumed by the public to be a steroid user.

Actually, Ken Caminiti had 1710 hits.

There's more than one way to disgrace the game, Pete.

I guess we now know that Pete doesn't count greenies as steroids.

I'm not sure why I should take Pete's word he never used steroids. To paraphrase Billy Martin, the man's a born liar and a convicted.

I guarantee that any other player who let a steroid dealer live with him in his house for free would automatically be assumed by the public to be a steroid user.

Reggie? Because, IIRC, Wenzlaff didn't get involved in steroids until after Reggie's playing days (or at least after he'd moved out.)

I don't know what Pete did or didn't do as it relates to PEDS, but by all his other behaviors it stretches the imagination to think that the Master of all that is Scumbaggery would take the high road if given the opportunity to enhance his performance.

I guess we now know that Pete doesn't count greenies as steroids.

Is there someone who does?

Yawn.

Posnanski wrote about this.

You can see the baseball he signed “Hits 4,256, Steroids 0,” — and you can buy it for a mere $199.99. Then again, let’s be honest, for $199.99 you could probably get Pete Rose to sign a baseball with, “I am Satan,” or “Bud Selig is a bozo,” or anything short of “Derek Jeter is a better player than I was.” Heck, for a few more dollars, you could get him to write a book.

let's change the subject. ron santo just elected to HOF by the veteran's committee or whatever they are calling it.

Please rephrase that as "Hall of Fame - Ron Santos 1, Pete Roses 0"

Congrats to Santo. Too bad he wasn't around to see it. If only the Hall had scheduled his era to come up first in the round of vet's committee voting.

Is he the only one getting enshrined?

@13: MLB press release on Santo's induction

I guarantee that any other player who let a steroid dealer live with him in his house for free would automatically be assumed by the public to be a steroid user.

But Dan, steroids weren't around then. We know this because Nolan Ryan told us so. ("If we'd had them when I played...")

Congrats to Santo. Too bad he wasn't around to see it. If only the Hall had scheduled his era to come up first in the round of vet's committee voting.

Is he the only one getting enshrined?

Yes. ESPN reported he received 15 votes (of 16 possible). Kaat received 10, Minoso and Hodges 9 each.

Thanks Krusty.

It looks like even if the Hall had done the Golden Era voting first, Santo would have died just before the committee voted. So, I'll rephrase that and say it's too bad the Hall of Fame's previous Veteran's Committee was designed to prevent electing anyone to the Hall of Fame.

You can see the baseball he signed “Hits 4,256, Steroids 0,” — and you can buy it for a mere $199.99. Then again, let’s be honest, for $199.99 you could probably get Pete Rose to sign a baseball with, “I am Satan,” or “Bud Selig is a bozo,” or anything short of “Derek Jeter is a better player than I was.” Heck, for a few more dollars, you could get him to write a book.

My one and only Rose signature is a copy of the Dowd Report that he signed right under Dowd's signature. The guy who sold it to me said that Rose had charged him 50 bucks, but that was about 20 years ago. It's not quite on the level of a Nixon signature on a copy of All The President's Men, but it's still pretty good for a baseball item, and copies signed by both Rose and Dowd are getting pretty tough to find.

HITS 4256
STEROIDS 0
CRACK WHORES THOUSANDS

I guess we now know that Pete doesn't count greenies as steroids.

We also now know that he doesn't count reached-on-error's as hits.

HITS 4256
STEROIDS 0

UGLY HAIRCUTS 6082

Please let it be known that I am willing to sign any number of baseballs that say Derek Jeter is a better player than I was for $200.


I might even be willing to do it for less, make me an offer.

I might even be willing to do it for less, make me an offer.

$2 - you supply the baseball

I guarantee that any other player who let a steroid dealer live with him in his house for free would automatically be assumed by the public to be a steroid user.

This.

Also add to it that his son went on to deal steroids.

Oh, and after putting up a 69 OPS+ at age 42 he suddenly bounced back to 99s at ages 43 & 44.

He had a reputation that he'd do whatever it took to win.

With his admitted gambling, he's shown that he didn't pay particularly close attention to ethics or rules.

Honestly, there's a lot more steroid smoke around Pete than there is around a bunch of power hitters from the so-called steroid era who are tarred with the epithet of "suspected user".

I guess we now know that Pete doesn't count greenies as steroids.

So we've learned that someone trying to excuse his own behavior would have no problem acting delusional enough to consider steroids to be PEDs but not greenies to be PEDs.

Adolf Hitler -- paintings 4257, steroids 0

How much would it cost to get Pete Jr. to write "Hits: 2 Steroids: Several" on a ball?

Adolf Hitler -- paintings 4257, steroids 0

I'd have to think a Hitler autograph baseball would be worth a fortune, regardless of the inscription. And if you got Hitler and Stalin on the same ball, lookout.

So we've learned that someone trying to excuse his own behavior would have no problem acting delusional enough to consider steroids to be PEDs but not greenies to be PEDs.

At first--because I'm a moron--I read this as me being the person whose bad behavior is being excused with delusions and I was baffled if Ray thought I used steroids or greenies. Having played softball with me, he should know it's neither.

Look, Pete Rose appreciates this article, and all, but now he's out $500 because Hits failed to cover the spread.

Doesn't Pete Rose remind you of Donald Trump with his slimy #### "do anything for attention or a buck" routine?

what always amazes me about pete rose is that plenty of people who go on about the "character clause" being wonderful because it will keep out Bad People like bonds, clemens, mcgwire, sosa and bagwell don't think that the "character clause" applies to pete rose, whose character was just fine because he would do whatever it took to Win and

um,

uh

nevermind

Betting on games is much more damaging to baseball than the steroid era.

Betting on games is much more damaging to baseball than the steroid era.

By far. But keeping HOF worthy players out hurts the HOF much more than it helps it. Rose's exclusion has always caused nothing but controversy (so would his election, but less so, I imagine) and the list of '90's greats who are going to get snubbed is going to be better than the list of their contemporaries that actually will be elected.

what always amazes me about pete rose is that plenty of people who go on about the "character clause" being wonderful because it will keep out Bad People like bonds, clemens, mcgwire, sosa and bagwell don't think that the "character clause" applies to pete rose, whose character was just fine because he would do whatever it took to Win and

Are there really "plenty" of people who support Rose's induction but oppose Bonds' or Clemens'?

Heck, for a few more dollars, you could get him to write a book.

--what was Joe Poz's advance for the Joe Pa Father's Day gift bio again?

Are there really "plenty" of people who support Rose's induction but oppose Bonds' or Clemens'?

Is there even one of those "plenty" here on BTF? I can't think of any, unless Pete DuBois might have been. You'd have to have a pretty elastic conception of the purpose of a character clause if you'd exempt Pete Rose from it, no matter what your take was on the juice boys.

dave,

not around here

nick,

i feel sorry for poz. i really do. money or no money, he sounded like an astros fan who could NOT believe that bud selig had allowed a poor millionaire to buy the astros with almost all borrowed money so he could have a guaranteed loser in the AL for the rangers to beat up on to satisfy nolan ryan's thirst for revenge.

but i did read this interesting article about why no one did anything to stop sandusky - by this penn state grad who writes for men's health (no, i REALLY check it out for the articles. really. i didn't notice all those almost perfect bradley ausomeness clones. really) and thought about how many times wives/mothers stood by and said/did nothing when their man beat/raped/molested her kid/kids to "protect the family" - so i'm not saying it's just men

Adolf Hitler -- paintings 4257, steroids 0

I fear for what this quip was in its first iteration.

bbc--yup.

and I just read this on, well, the link speaks for itself, no one will be surprised at this juncture....

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7320780/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-did-business-leaders-second-mile-according-report

I just noticed this, but when did Pete Rose start using those fancypantsed slashed zeros? Aren't American zeros good enough for him?

We'll have to start calling him Charles Skeffington Hustle.

People don't get involved into serious doings like that because we instinctively know we can get into a whole mess of trouble and misery. We. ourselves, you, me anybody. Suddenly your character, my character, our character, becomes an issue, a focus of scrutiny, both in the press and in the legal system, criminal and civil. Visions of this neverending morass hits you right away. People have a built in aversion to that--who needs that ####, they tell themselves. They see themselves as possible victims. Hey, and they can be. It threatens their peace, security, sense of self and place, much more so than we might cursorily imagine. You go out on a limb, you become an important personage in this affair, you find yourself swamped with it--it might absorb your mental life for, oh, say, five years. You might never get over it. Questions in interviews with legal authorities over and over, articles, reporters' ceaseless inquiries. Don't pretend you don't understand. Everybody immediately gets it if it happens to them, though. It hits them right away like opening the door to a blast furnace. Life is hard.

Hits: 4256
Steroids: 0

Pete Rose: No game today