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Wednesday, April 10, 2019

Reds Joey Votto gets beaned, chooses fun over fighting against Marlins

Just days after brawling against the Pittsburgh Pirates, the Cincinnati Reds were ready to thrown down once more. Until they weren’t.

Squaring off against the Miami Marlins on Tuesday, relief pitcher Wei-Yin Chen nailed Reds first baseman Joey Votto in the back in the sixth inning.

Votto promptly charged the mound, but instead of throwing fists, he threw back the ball to Chen.

One wouldn’t think that the OBP king would object to something getting him on base….

 

QLE Posted: April 10, 2019 at 07:56 AM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: beaning, joey votto, reds

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   1. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: April 10, 2019 at 08:49 AM (#5830327)
He really pimped that HBP.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 10, 2019 at 08:59 AM (#5830329)
Votto neither got ‘beaned’ nor ‘charged the mound.’ That’s just ridiculous sensationalism. He got hit with a glancing blow, the ball ended up a few feet in front of him, and he went and retrieved it and tossed it to Chen. He was never ‘ready to throw down.’
   3. TDF, trained monkey Posted: April 10, 2019 at 09:00 AM (#5830330)
He really pimped that HBP.
Yeah, he deserves to get plunked his next time up.
   4. TDF, trained monkey Posted: April 10, 2019 at 09:04 AM (#5830332)
Votto neither got ‘beaned’ nor ‘charged the mound.’ That’s just ridiculous sensationalism. He got hit with a glancing blow, the ball ended up a few feet in front of him, and he went and retrieved it and tossed it to Chen.
"Glancing blows" don't end up back in front of you, even if you ignore the common usage of "beaning" as any time a batter gets hit no matter what the severity. And the writer was trying to be funny with the "charging the mound" comment (his success at humor is left to the reader).

IOW, lighten up Francis.
   5. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 10, 2019 at 09:12 AM (#5830335)
You sure he was trying to be funny? I’m not, given the context that the whole thing is exaggerated. Let’s put it this way, the video was far different from what I expected to see based on the text.
   6. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: April 10, 2019 at 09:30 AM (#5830342)
Agree with ElRoy here. I was expecting for a lot more from the video.

#1 & #3 are very funny.
   7. Rusty Priske Posted: April 10, 2019 at 09:30 AM (#5830344)
Tossing the ball back to the pitcher is making a statement. It isn't like the pitcher is going to be using that ball on the next pitch.
   8. Jose is Absurdly Unemployed Posted: April 10, 2019 at 09:37 AM (#5830346)
I'm all for a bit of fun but this little blurb has nothing to do with what happened. This or this or this classic is more of a fake charging of the mound.
   9. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 10, 2019 at 10:37 AM (#5830375)
Has there ever been a delayed charge of the mound? Like, the player gets to first, then charges, in order to catch the pitcher unawares?
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: April 10, 2019 at 10:39 AM (#5830376)
"Glancing blows" don't end up back in front of you,
touched his shirt(not him) and deflected towards his back arm and then bounced forward, that was a glancing blow.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: April 10, 2019 at 10:50 AM (#5830382)
(his success at humor is left to the reader)


It's bad enough to parrot one of SBB's pet phrases, but did you have to butcher it too?
   12. Man o' Schwar Posted: April 10, 2019 at 11:03 AM (#5830387)
"Glancing blows" don't end up back in front of you, even if you ignore the common usage of "beaning" as any time a batter gets hit no matter what the severity.

I don't think that's the common usage of "beaning". Beaning is hitting in the head (or "bean").

If I hear that a player got "beaned", 100% of the time I'm going to think he got hit in the head. Otherwise, he got hit. Or plunked.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: April 10, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5830390)

I don't think that's the common usage of "beaning". Beaning is hitting in the head (or "bean").


It's far too common, but still wrong.
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: April 10, 2019 at 11:17 AM (#5830393)
I don't think that's the common usage of "beaning". Beaning is hitting in the head (or "bean").


That used to be the case, but now it's been pretty much used for any perceived intentional hit.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: April 10, 2019 at 11:21 AM (#5830395)
That used to be the case, but now it's been pretty much used for any perceived intentional hit.


I don't think it has to be perceived as an intentional one to be used, as evidenced by this headline.
   16. Itchy Row Posted: April 10, 2019 at 11:31 AM (#5830400)
Has there ever been a delayed charge of the mound? Like, the player gets to first, then charges, in order to catch the pitcher unawares?
Al Cowens did a version of that to Ed Farmer in 1980. Farmer hit Cowens with a pitch and injured him in 1979. A year later, after both Cowens and Farmer has changed teams, Cowens hit a ground ball off Farmer. Farmer turned to watch the play and, instead of running to first, Cowens charged him.
   17. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 10, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5830401)
Has there ever been a delayed charge of the mound? Like, the player gets to first, then charges, in order to catch the pitcher unawares?


Al Cowens charged the mound on Ed Farmer a full year after Farmer hit him in the face with a pitch.
   18. The Duke Posted: April 10, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5830407)
Agree with 2. Completely incorrect description
   19. Itchy Row Posted: April 10, 2019 at 11:58 AM (#5830410)
Andre Dawson charged Eric Show about a minute after he got beaned, but that wasn’t a strategic decision.
   20. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: April 10, 2019 at 12:25 PM (#5830427)
That Cowens/Farmer story is pretty amusing. Is there no video anywhere?
   21. JAHV Posted: April 10, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5830429)
"Beaning" has evolved to refer to any hit batter, no matter where on the body or the intention. At least in my experience, it has been that way since my childhood (I'm 36). I distinctly remember as a kid getting frustrated with kids who said that someone got "beamed" when they got hit by a pitch. I was a pedant even then and would correct them to "beaned," but apparently my pedantry didn't go far enough as I didn't realize "beaning" was originally meant only for hits to the head.
   22. Hysterical & Useless Posted: April 10, 2019 at 01:27 PM (#5830448)
the common usage of "beaning" as any time a batter gets hit


JAHV says this was common usage when he was a kid (25 or 30 years ago!), but I don't recall ever seeing this referring to the ordinary HBP until within the last 10 years or so, right here at BBTF. "Bean" is slang for head, not back or butt or elbow. When somebody says "That's using the old bean" they're not referring to what a cute butt you have (or what a big ass you are).

I suppose it's obnoxiously elitist to say it, but just because a usage is "common" doesn't mean it should be perpetuated.
   23. salvomania Posted: April 10, 2019 at 02:02 PM (#5830466)
I suppose it's obnoxiously elitist to say it, but just because a usage is "common" doesn't mean it should be perpetuated.

Here, Here!
   24. ajnrules Posted: April 10, 2019 at 02:18 PM (#5830475)
Completely unrelated, but Wei-Yin Chen's ERA is up to 24.75 after last night's 10-run slaughtering. It brings back memories of his fellow country Chien-Ming Wang's awful 2009 season, where his ERA got up to 34.50 after three appearances.
   25. Joe OBrien Posted: April 10, 2019 at 02:20 PM (#5830476)
   26. Nasty Nate Posted: April 10, 2019 at 02:34 PM (#5830487)
"Plunked" should be encouraged as the alternative for "beaned" for a non-head HBP.
   27. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 10, 2019 at 02:40 PM (#5830489)
I suppose it's obnoxiously elitist to say it, but just because a usage is "common" doesn't mean it should be perpetuated.
That is literally the best post of the day.
   28. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: April 10, 2019 at 02:53 PM (#5830497)
That is literally the best post of the day.
Seconded.

The big problem is that by making all HBPs "beanings," you remove a way to easily distinguish the more serious pitch at the head from the less serious kind. And you also inevitably end up introducing the loathsomely redundant "beaned in the head."
   29. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: April 10, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5830541)
I suppose it's obnoxiously elitist to say it, but just because a usage is "common" doesn't mean it should be perpetuated.

That is literally the best post of the day.


Eh. I could care less.
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: April 10, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5830554)
you also inevitably end up introducing the loathsomely redundant "beaned in the head."

Frozen Tundra to Beaned in the Head: "Hold my Beer."
   31. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 10, 2019 at 04:46 PM (#5830565)
Frozen Tundra to Beaned in the Head: "Hold my Beer."
You could only have a beer slushie. After all, you're not only a tundra, but a frozen one.
   32. Walt Davis Posted: April 10, 2019 at 04:48 PM (#5830568)
Andre Dawson charged Eric Show about a minute after he got beaned,

This undersells it. Dawson didn't so much charge the mound as throw the 20 people between him and Show out of the way as Show was being rushed to the locker room to keep him alive. He just made it as Dawson got to the dugout railing, swiped to grab Show and just missed him. I was not an objective observer but I have never been more instantly convinced a pitcher was head-hunting than on that pitch.

Wasn't that also the play where Sutcliffe tried a flying kick.

(The "delay" was due to the fact that Dawson was either unconscious or concussed. It seems the moment his brain clicked back in, it screamed "KILL!")
   33. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 10, 2019 at 04:55 PM (#5830570)
In 1987, Willie Wilson got thrown at by Ken Schrom. Wilson hit a fly out on the next pitch, jogged to first base, and then suddenly dropped his shoulders and raced directly into Schrom's back, football tackle style. After the game, the Royals manager said, "We're going to have Willie work on the tackling dummy in the bullpen."
   34. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: April 10, 2019 at 05:06 PM (#5830575)
Andre Dawson and Eric Show

The Cubs seem to have agreed with your assessment of intent.
   35. Man o' Schwar Posted: April 10, 2019 at 05:39 PM (#5830585)
The Cubs seem to have agreed with your assessment of intent.

Dawson had hit 2 HRs the day before against the Padres, and had also homered off of Show in the first inning of this game. So it wasn't a hard line to draw to think that maybe they were sick and tired of watching pitches come to rest out on Waveland.

I remember watching this game as a kid. I don't think I ever saw a batter angrier than Dawson was once he regained his bearings.
   36. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 10, 2019 at 05:48 PM (#5830587)
Dawson went on to become a Hall of Famer and respected elder statesman of the game. Show went on to become a drug addict and died in his room at a treatment center in 1994. I don't really know what to say about that other than it's a pretty stark and sad contrast.

   37. JAHV Posted: April 10, 2019 at 05:54 PM (#5830589)
JAHV says this was common usage when he was a kid (25 or 30 years ago!), but I don't recall ever seeing this referring to the ordinary HBP until within the last 10 years or so, right here at BBTF. "Bean" is slang for head, not back or butt or elbow. When somebody says "That's using the old bean" they're not referring to what a cute butt you have (or what a big ass you are).

I suppose it's obnoxiously elitist to say it, but just because a usage is "common" doesn't mean it should be perpetuated.


I completely agree with your last point. It's a different type of evolution, but I lament, for example, the death of the word "legitimate."

That said, I think this must be local vernacular. I didn't hear the head referred to as the bean until much later in life, so I never made the association, and I assume none of my peers did either. We only heard reference to someone getting "beaned," knew it referred to someone getting hit with a pitch, and ran with it. I now realize that is an improper use of the term and I'm perfectly fine to restrict the usage to its original meaning. I merely wanted to offer the perspective that the misuse is not necessarily a recent issue.
   38. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: April 10, 2019 at 06:15 PM (#5830599)
Farmer hit Cowens with a pitch and injured him in 1979.

"And injured him" seems to undersell the fact that the pitch broke Cowens's jaw as well as several teeth.
   39. Greg Pope Posted: April 10, 2019 at 06:31 PM (#5830606)
"Bean" is slang for head, not back or butt or elbow.

I was set to say, "Sure, if you're living in 1940." So I did some cursory research. And it turns out that the slang of using "bean" for "head" actually originates from baseball. The term "bean ball" came first, according to the The New Dickson Baseball Dictionary. This seems to be borne out by other sources as well. It's possible that baseball players called it that because bean was slang for head:

"A bean you ask? Why, bean is baseball language for head" Frank Chance, 1910


But the first printed use was 5 years earlier:

A very early use appears in The Athletics of 1905 by Charles Dryden: "While pitching, Mr. [Chief] Bender places much reliance on the bean ball."


So by 1910, it's likely that the reverse use was common and Chance may not have been stating the true origin.
   40. Baldrick Posted: April 10, 2019 at 10:34 PM (#5830693)
you also inevitably end up introducing the loathsomely redundant "beaned in the head."

It's only redundant if everyone agrees that 'beaned' means in the head. If not, it communicates precisely what people need to know (what happened and where).

Anyway, 'beaned' is a good, solid word that people enjoy saying, so it's not remotely surprising that it has been used regularly to communicate the common occurrence (getting hit by a pitch), while the far more irregular event (getting hit by a pitch in the head) now needs some additional words to clarify it.

This is a completely normal and perfectly fine feature of language, which evolves as people take pleasure from using it in new ways, and getting worked up about it is literally (not figuratively!) the silliest way you could possibly spend your time.

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