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Tuesday, August 05, 2014

Reds lethargic effort leaves Price perplexed

As Specs Rigveda once said: “Lethargy can prove fatal for baseball life.”

The Reds lost the opener of their four-game, home-and-home series with Cleveland, 7-1, at Progressive Field. How they lost was what had Price incensed as he sat in the manager’s office after the game.

“We’re a .500 team after 112 games; we’re 56-and-56,” said Price. “What was disappointing and unacceptable tonight was the fact that we didn’t have our head in the game at all, especially those first five innings.”

In those first five innings, Price said two players forgot how many outs there were. Starting pitcher Alfredo Simon didn’t cover first base on a ground ball to first baseman Brayan Pena. And despite putting pressure on Cleveland starter and ace Corey Kluber with five base runners in the first three innings, Price said a three-run homer by Indians third baseman Lonnie Chisenhall that made the score 4-0 in the fourth inning all but ended the game.

“There was feeling that the game was over,” said Price. “We did rally a bit and come to life in the last couple of innings with a little bit of energy in the dugout but it was unacceptable. We haven’t done that much this year but what happened tonight was unacceptable from an effort and a mental perspective. That’s not the way we play. That’s not the way we’ll play again. We need a lot better than that.”

...“Any team will have games like that, and hopefully it’s very few over the course of a year,” said Price. “We haven’t had many. Even when we had the big lead against Toronto and they scored 14 runs on us, they just hit and hit and hit and we couldn’t stop it. It wasn’t from a lack of effort or quit. Today there just wasn’t any energy. I don’t know what it was.

“It’s unlike our club and that’s why I think it will be an anomaly in the season. It won’t be something we’ll see as a recurring issue. Or we’ll have a big problem here, and I don’t anticipate that.”

Repoz Posted: August 05, 2014 at 08:42 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: August 05, 2014 at 10:11 AM (#4764545)
Sympathize with him; as a Twins fan, I've seen a lot of bad baseball over the past few years, and it's really frustrating on the nights when you can tell no one out there gives a damn.
   2. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 05, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4764556)
the team cannot score. they are down to two guys in the lineup who can hit. it's gotta be taxing knowing that if frazier or mesoraco don't have a big night the team will likely be held to 2 runs or less.
   3. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: August 05, 2014 at 10:49 AM (#4764571)
lost year for Bruce and Votto, sadly. Cozart is horrific at the plate, Ludwick is a shell of his 2012 self, they are playing a mediocre hitting C at 1b, career backup and career minor leaguer at 2nd base. I don't know what has happened to Bruce...
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 05, 2014 at 11:03 AM (#4764582)
Before I saw this this article, I had no idea who Bryan Price was, much less that he managed the Reds. I was very confused why David Price cared about the Reds.

Where did Bryan come from?
   5. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: August 05, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4764589)
#4--Bryan had a very long career as a pitching coach. This is his first managerial job. (He's also one of the rare managers who never played Major League baseball.)
   6. Randy Jones Posted: August 05, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4764593)
Before I saw this this article, I had no idea who Bryan Price was, much less that he managed the Reds. I was very confused why David Price cared about the Reds.
same here
   7. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 05, 2014 at 12:37 PM (#4764705)
Price has just been okay with in-game management, but this year's problems fall squarely on poor roster construction and injuries. Last night, the Reds started Jack Hannahan at DH in Cleveland. He's fresh of the DL and apparently can't throw enough to play 3B. He simply should not be on the roster.

In Votto's absence they've played Brayan Pena a lot at 1B. A fine backup catcher but nothing beyond an emergency 1B.

Walt Jocketty's pre-season acquisition to shore up the bench was Skip Schumaker, who's OPS sits at .598. In fairness, he wasn't supposed to be that bad. But the team's lack of depth has really been exposed this year, and that falls on the GM (who's in the last year of his deal).
   8. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 05, 2014 at 12:47 PM (#4764719)
steve

i recall prior to the season discussing the lack of depth on the reds and thinking that walt needed to overhaul things a bit. that conversation did not go well.

it's unfortunate and nobody can expect serious injuries to all the wrong people (meaning the ones where a loss is the biggest impact) but even last season the reds had a finite amount of hitting talent. while a productive offense it was very concentrated.

what is the state of the farm system?
   9. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 05, 2014 at 01:13 PM (#4764742)
There's not much help at the upper level of the farm system. The best hitter is Jesse Winker, who is having a rough adjustment with a recent promotion to AA. But anyone is better than Hannahan. I'd much rather see younger guys like Donald Lutz or Neftali Soto try and run into one, even if they're likely AAAA guys.

The offense was good last year but top heavy. Choo was an absolute monster at the top of the order (good thing he was too expensive to re-sign). Bruce's slump, which is probably related to knee injuries which kept him out earlier, has been another big loss on top of Votto and Phillips. What's scary is that things could be a lot worse if not for a breakout season by Mesoraco and a fine year from Frazier.
   10. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 05, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4764746)
steve

the reds bullpen seems pretty good. this jumbo diaz guy, what is that all about? between him and broxton the reds could provide the livestock for bullriding at a rodeo
   11. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 05, 2014 at 02:07 PM (#4764794)
Diaz apparently dropped a lot of weight. I've heard conflicting stories on how that helped his velocity. Very nice slider. They've really needed him with Simon in the rotation and LeCure having a down year and Marshall MIA. It's a solid bullpen with Aroldis and his heavies.
   12. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 05, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4764825)
steve

diaz dropped weight? what was we doing previously? ballast in a chinese freight ship?
   13. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 05, 2014 at 02:45 PM (#4764866)
He lost 70 lbs, HW. Just turned 30 but better late than never.
   14. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: August 05, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4765035)
The best hitter is Jesse Winker


The Reds nightmare of injuries has continued down into the minors. Winker, who lead the California League in OPS in the first half of the season (at age 20), had his hand broken in a car accident (i believe) shortly after the Futures game. He hasn't played in weeks.
   15. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 05, 2014 at 05:04 PM (#4765072)
Oof. I blame Dusty.
   16. TDF, situational idiot Posted: August 05, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4765107)
Walt Jocketty's pre-season acquisition to shore up the bench was Skip Schumaker, who's OPS sits at .598. In fairness, he wasn't supposed to be that bad.
Schumacher, over the 4 previous seasons, totaled -0.3 bWAR; it was entirely reasonable to think he wouldn't be worth the money.
But the team's lack of depth has really been exposed this year, and that falls on the GM (who's in the last year of his deal).
So while Walt's sipping margaritas on the beach, the Reds will be paying:

Ryan Ludwick $9M to play for them, or $4.5M to not.
Jack Hannahan $4M to play for them, or $2M to not.
Skip Schumacher $2.5M.
Sean Marshall $6.5M, after paying him $10M total over '13-14 to pitch 24 total innings.

Much like Hitler, Walt was good only in the beginning.
   17. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 05, 2014 at 05:51 PM (#4765111)
post 16

ouchimama
   18. TDF, situational idiot Posted: August 05, 2014 at 05:57 PM (#4765115)
ouchimama
You're telling me.

That's as much as $22M going to Ludwick, Hannahan, Schumacher, and Marshall, yet Cinci media and fans make Votto out as "overpaid".
   19. hokieneer Posted: August 05, 2014 at 06:31 PM (#4765129)
Price said a three-run homer by Indians third baseman Lonnie Chisenhall that made the score 4-0 in the fourth inning all but ended the game.


He's right though. This team can barely scrape 2 runs together on any given night.

   20. Leroy Kincaid Posted: August 05, 2014 at 07:42 PM (#4765150)
David? Vincent? Leontyne?

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