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Wednesday, July 27, 2011

Reds trade Gomes to Nats, promote Alonso

It was clear from the moment he was drafted that prospect Yonder Alonso’s bat would eventually force the Reds’ hand into getting him to the Major Leagues.

That time came on Tuesday when the Reds traded veteran left fielder Jonny Gomes to the Nationals for two Minor League players. In a corresponding move, Alonso—a left fielder and first baseman—was recalled from Triple-A Louisville.

“We actually had a couple of clubs that inquired about Jonny’s services, but Washington was probably the most persistent,” Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said. “For us, it’s a tough move to make in some ways. Jonny was a big part of our club last year and he’s obviously a guy we all think highly of as a person and as a player. It gives us an opportunity now to bring up a player like Alonso and start looking at some of our younger guys that we feel we need to give an opportunity to.”

...Speaking to reporters while his now former teammates played the Mets, Gomes expressed surprise about the trade but also understood.

“This is a results-driven industry, if you will,” Gomes said. “When the results aren’t there, it might be time to move.”

Thanks to The Sultan of Swat McCabe.

Repoz Posted: July 27, 2011 at 02:39 AM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:17 AM (#3886196)
The Nats are nine games out of the Wild Card. They're also after BJ Upton who is a FA after next year. WTF are they doing? Doesn't sound like they gave up much, but I still don't get it.
   2. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:23 AM (#3886198)
Collecting ex-Rays OF's, I guess.
   3. Bourbon Samurai Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:26 AM (#3886200)
the pennant is ours!

Actually, I think what the Nats are doing makes sense. The orioles are in free fall, and the Nats have a little momentum. When I go to games this year, people actually seemed to give a #### if the Nats win. They can really finish stealing all the DC baseball fans from the Orioles if they just stay respectable for a bit.
   4. Bourbon Samurai Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:28 AM (#3886202)
Note: Except for Jayson Werth. That was obviously stupid.
   5. hokieneer Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:40 AM (#3886210)
Gomes has been practically worthless the last 2 years outside of May '10, so losing him isn't going to cost the Reds much.

I am curious as to what Alonso can bring. He's regarded as a high prospect, but his minor league numbers won't blow you away.
   6. Sam M. Posted: July 27, 2011 at 04:12 AM (#3886218)
I am curious as to what Alonso can bring. He's regarded as a high prospect, but his minor league numbers won't blow you away.

I've seen Alonso enough here in Louisville to believe he can really hit. Makes absolutely tremendous contact with the ball, and it really jumps off his bat. Very quick bat. Excellent strike zone judgment. You don't move Joey Votto off of first base for him (duh), but that's why the Reds moved Alonso to LF to try and find a place for him. I suspect that he would be hitting even better if he weren't in the midst of adjusting to the OF, but that's obviously a bit speculative on my part. The defensive part is going to be an issue, but I'm betting he will significantly upgrade the Reds' line-up compared to what they've been getting out of LF.
   7. TerpNats Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:07 AM (#3886250)
Gomes is also a type "B" free agent. If he doesn't pan out in D.C., the Nats will get a draft pick if someone signs him in the off-season.
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:23 AM (#3886262)
Gomes is also a type "B" free agent. If he doesn't pan out in D.C., the Nats will get a draft pick if someone signs him in the off-season.


Unless he accepts arbitration, which he might. Teams weren't exactly lining up to sign him last offseason...
   9. Knock on any Iorg Posted: July 27, 2011 at 05:28 AM (#3886266)
I still can't figure out why a 45 year old bad boy Hawaiian surfer would be interested in playing for the Nats.
   10. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: July 27, 2011 at 07:55 AM (#3886304)
Didn't they have a Gomes bobble head night a few weeks ago?
   11. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 27, 2011 at 12:01 PM (#3886324)
Gomes is Bennie Ayala in that if your team is facing a lefty without a grade A fastball Gomes is your guy. But you have to spot him because he's hopeless against most righties and of course is a disaster in left field.

In the 70's a good manager could use a guy like this because starters cranked out 275 innings a year. But nowadays a guy like Gomes isn't even a luxury. He's pointless. A guy who can hit Chris Capuano but will give up a run every game he plays because he moves around like he's wearing ski boots? It's silly.
   12. AROM Posted: July 27, 2011 at 12:08 PM (#3886326)
"Unless he accepts arbitration, which he might. Teams weren't exactly lining up to sign him last offseason..."

He'd also have to sign a major league contract. A minor league deal with spring training invite, like Gomes' first deal with the Reds, won't do it.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 12:15 PM (#3886328)
if your team is facing a lefty without a grade A fastball Gomes is your guy

In the 70's a good manager could use a guy like thi

Perfect LOOGY killer PH in a world with 10-11 man pitching staffs. Most LOOGYs don't throw that hard, and once they're in, they have to face one batter.
   14. Mike Emeigh Posted: July 27, 2011 at 12:29 PM (#3886336)
Perfect LOOGY killer PH in a world with 10-11 man pitching staffs.


That world doesn't exist any more, nor is it likely to come back any time soon. I agree with HW; the Bennie Ayala comparison is apt.

As for Alonso, he's athletic enough to adjust to playing the outfield and really can rope the ball to all fields. He doesn't have the kind of HR power you'd like from a corner guy, but he reminds me a lot of Adrian Gonzalez when he first came up, with line-drive power to the gaps, so the HRs may very well come later.

The Reds are going to have to make some choices soon. They have two catchers (Mesoraco and Grandal) who aren't far from being ready, guys like Frazier and Neftali Soto who are going to hit their way into a major league job in the next year or two, no place to play all of them, and no useful pitchers (the staff at Carolina is an absolute disaster). They'd be smart, IMO, to see what they can get for Ramon Hernandez - maybe a fit with the Braves if Brian McCann's injury is serious - and let Mesoraco catch every day down the stretch.

-- MWE
   15. ColonelTom Posted: July 27, 2011 at 01:12 PM (#3886360)
Mark Carreon lives!
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2011 at 01:17 PM (#3886361)
That world doesn't exist any more, nor is it likely to come back any time soon. I agree with HW; the Bennie Ayala comparison is apt.

I think it would actually be pretty easy to make a 6 man pen work if you had a decent rotation, and used the AAA shuttle effectively. In a 7-8 man pen, somebody is always going a week or more w/o pitching enough.
   17. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: July 27, 2011 at 02:12 PM (#3886388)
Gomes has been practically worthless the last 2 years outside of May '10, so losing him isn't going to cost the Reds much.

That's not quite fair - Gomes was good in '09 (128 OPS+), when Baker limited his appearances against righties. That and the hot start in 2010 led him to get too much playing time. But yeah, no big loss, especially with Alonso having nothing left to prove as a hitter.
   18. AROM Posted: July 27, 2011 at 02:14 PM (#3886392)
Alonso had to get out of Louisville. A single at bat would ruin his accomplishment there: Hitting exactly .296-12-56 two years in a row.
   19. TDF, situational idiot Posted: July 27, 2011 at 02:32 PM (#3886404)
The Reds are going to have to make some choices soon.
No kidding.

Trading Gomes and bringing up Alonzo, though, doesn't make things easy. The Reds now have 4 OFs who should be playing every day (Stubbs, Heisey, Bruce, Alonzo); are they perhaps showcasing Alonzo?

As for the guys you mentioned, I've heard that Mesoraco is probably as ready as he'll ever be and Frazier is already 25 (he's now with the big club but sitting while Miguel Cairo starts - what's the sense in that?). Soto struggled the past 2 years, but seems to have found his stroke again in AA this year; the problem is, he's another 1B/COF type.

There's been talk that the Reds have been scouting Ubaldo Jimenez pretty heavily; however, while he seems available, the Rockies are said to want the stars and moon for him. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if the Reds put together a package of Alonzo, Volquez (the Rockies are reportedly very interested in him), and a couple of other non-Mesoraco prospects.
   20. GregD Posted: July 27, 2011 at 02:36 PM (#3886414)
There's been talk that the Reds have been scouting Ubaldo Jimenez pretty heavily; however, while he seems available, the Rockies are said to want the stars and moon for him. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if the Reds put together a package of Alonzo, Volquez (the Rockies are reportedly very interested in him), and a couple of other non-Mesoraco prospects.
I doubt it, but if the Reds could do that it would be the awesome. Having watched my 2nd favorite team suddenly go from sink hole to Red Sox National League division, in the Phils, I could not imagine how disconcerting it would be to watch my fave become a major deadline purchaser! Man bites dog! If I were a Pirates fan, I'd truly have spinning head syndrome. (I admit it's lame to have Reds #1, Phillies #2, but I saved my NL hate for the Dodgers.)
   21. hokieneer Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:07 PM (#3886446)
Trading Gomes and bringing up Alonzo, though, doesn't make things easy. The Reds now have 4 OFs who should be playing every day (Stubbs, Heisey, Bruce, Alonzo); are they perhaps showcasing Alonzo?

That's what I see the Reds doing. His value may never be any higher than it is right now. He already has the reputation of being a strong hitter below-average defender, so moving from his natural position of 1b to corner OF in the majors could seriously hurt his value. Jimenez should be able to pitch in GABP, if he still has anything left. I wanted the Reds to make a run for Oswalt last year. A top of the rotation starter will do wonders for this team this year and next.

The Reds are going to have to make some choices soon.

They didn't make a move for anyone last July, and they didn't promote or demote anybody. It's really a very good, but tough situation to be in. They are 5 games out, but have under performed their pythag by 5 games. Their schedule in August looks prime for making up some games. The team is mostly young cost controlled players, and there are several more valuable assets in the minors. I'm not sure what I would do, make a big move to try and make a run this year. Stay pat and let your own talent work itself out then move the excess later. I'm not sure.
   22. TDF, situational idiot Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:18 PM (#3886457)
hokieneer:

The problem isn't need; the problem is the Reds have alot of ML ready players who don't have a position on the big team. Alonzo (from what I've heard) is barely a 1B; playing him in the OF is the last resort because his bat is ready now. As I said, the clock is ticking on Frazier; if he doesn't have an immediate future in Cinci, they should trade him for something of value. Mesoraco really has nothing left to prove in the minors, but there's already 2 pretty good Cs on the team.

I'm agnostic on what they should do for this year - unless they can get a Jimenez, and Cozart comes back fully healthy in time, and either Cairo or Frazier shows he can be a good everyday 3B, and Bruce comes out of his slump (or at least 3 of these things happen), it's going to be tough for the Reds to go very far in the playoffs again. While Frazier is tied into this, the decisions to play or trade Mesoraco and/or Alonzo are separate.
   23. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:20 PM (#3886459)
I'm happy that Gomes is no longer available for the Braves to overpay for.
   24. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:21 PM (#3886460)
They didn't make a move for anyone last July, and they didn't promote or demote anybody.


They brought up Travis Wood to replace that LeCure guy in the rotation. And they made the already-forgotten Chris Dickerson for Jim Edmonds trade in early August.
   25. hokieneer Posted: July 27, 2011 at 03:34 PM (#3886479)
Wood was called up before the all star break. Technically that counts, but I was talking about moves around the deadline to improve the team.


I'm agnostic on what they should do for this year

Sums it up well. I am excited to see if they do anything.
   26. hokieneer Posted: July 30, 2011 at 02:26 AM (#3888793)
So after falling 6.5 out, 5 games under because of that 4 game sweep at home to the Mets, now where do the Reds go? Is it time to try and move Hernandez and anyone else that might fetch a decent return, and wait till next year? Do they dare make a move for someone that'll help them in the last 50-60 games?

The Reds have had a tough season, under performed the pythag by 5 games & going 15-23 in 1 run games. It's been a bad combination of bad luck and bad managing/bullpen usage, and I'm not sure which side of that gets more blame.

After this 3 game set against the Giants, the REds have a fairly cake schedule for a few weeks:

3 @HOU
3 @CHC
4 COL
3 SD
3 @WAS
3 @PIT
3 @FL
3 WAS

The their luck swings back around, they could easily climb right back in the central race by the 1st of Sept.
   27. hokieneer Posted: July 31, 2011 at 08:09 PM (#3889770)
Guess the Reds are staying pat again. I wonder if Walt tried to move Hernandez or Coco?

After a 7 game homestand, Alonso got 4 PA and played 4 innings in the field split between LF and 1b. It's about time Walt just fills out the lineup card for dusty.
   28. rr Posted: July 31, 2011 at 08:16 PM (#3889777)
The their luck swings back around, they could easily climb right back in the central race by the 1st of Sept.


Yeah, they are not out of it yet, but I don't have a lot of confidence. Can't see them moving by Milwaukee AND St. Louis AND Pittsburgh. I think the Mets' series was a body blow,in spite of the bounceback against SF.

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