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Friday, January 20, 2006

REMINDER: Call for Abstracts, SABR36

The submission deadline for SABR36 presentation abstracts (March 1, 2006) is fast approaching. The link provides details on submitting abstracts.

Mike Emeigh Posted: January 20, 2006 at 03:36 AM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Anthony Giacalone Posted: January 20, 2006 at 03:57 AM (#1829520)

I know Mike has this overwhelming desire for a SABR conference in which 95% of the presentations (vie or take 5%) deal with statistics.  However, presentations do not need to be about stats and sabermetrics.  So, please, if you are working on something dealing with baseball’s relationship with cultural history or sociology or geography or criminology or just about anything, submit an abstract.  It’s a very warm audience to present in front of.

   2. Roadblock Jones Posted: January 20, 2006 at 03:41 PM (#1829962)

Inspired by Anthony, I’m scheduled to give a nonstatistical presentation at the NYC sabr meeting next weekend.

   3. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 21, 2006 at 02:22 AM (#1831055)

I don’t think Mike wants that.

But this is a stat-heavy crowd and one of the best places on the web to get input on stat-based presentations.

   4. Anthony Giacalone Posted: January 21, 2006 at 03:03 AM (#1831097)

Could be, Dan.  Listening to Mike at SABR last year gave me the impression that he would like more stats presentations than the 50/50 split (between stat-oriented and non-stat-oriented presentations) that we had last year.  I could be wrong. 

This may be a stat-heavy crowd but that doesn’t mean that we should force everything through that prism.  I mean, I’m a stat-heavy analyst by the standards of 99% of baseball observing world.  But around here, I’m only about middle of the road.  Often, I do not think that that is healthy for the site or our credibility.

   5. Punky Brusstar (orw) Posted: January 21, 2006 at 03:20 AM (#1831119)

Inspired by Anthony, I’m scheduled to give a nonstatistical presentation at the NYC sabr meeting next weekend.

I may head down there from CT.  What’s the topic?

   6. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 21, 2006 at 04:31 AM (#1831157)

Listening to Mike at SABR last year gave me the impression that he would like more stats presentations than the 50/50 split (between stat-oriented and non-stat-oriented presentations) that we had last year. I could be wrong.

If I gave that impression, it was unintentional. What I want is more presentations where I learn something that I didn’t know.

—MWE

   7. Roadblock Jones Posted: January 21, 2006 at 05:31 AM (#1831210)

I’ll be discussing the 1967 Mets, and warming up the crowd for Warner Wolf.

   8. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: January 21, 2006 at 08:13 AM (#1831272)

Listening to Mike at SABR last year gave me the impression that he would like more stats presentations than the 50/50 split (between stat-oriented and non-stat-oriented presentations) that we had last year.

I, for one, would be strongly opposed to this for several reasons.  First and foremost, while I try to stay attuned to what’s going on in the field, I’m no statistician and like it that way.  Although most of the stats-based presentations are interesting and well-done, I’ve been to more than a few that got dragged into esoterica and occasionally mathspeak.  To each his own, of course.

Furthermore, although there are notable exceptions on both sides, I generally find the historical presentations to be . . . well, more interesting, simply because they have a story to tell.  It’s one thing to analyze how well LOOGYs perform when they are used 4 of 5 days; it’s quite another to hear anecdotes of sign-stealing capers, hidden ball tricks, and stuff like that.

Part of what makes SABR so great is that you get the opportunity to see both.

   9. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 21, 2006 at 09:03 PM (#1831646)

I count 12/31 - that’s not an inordinate amount.  The first day was very stat-light, but if you recall, you were preoccupied with finding a power adapter for your laptop!

Given that one of SABR’s concerns is an aging membership, I don’t see why one would be concerned about this amount of statiness unless it’s affecting the quality of the more historical/research presentations.  I’m not seeing that, though - there just happened to be some terrific stat presentations in Toronto, especially Emeigh and Jaffe.

I found the mix in Toronto to be nearly ideal.

   10. Anthony Giacalone Posted: January 23, 2006 at 02:22 AM (#1833332)

I did too, Dan.  I thought that there were tremendous presentations everywhere.  I’m not advocating fewer stats presentations.  And, I probably recalled Mike incorrectly. 

I’m currently thinking of doing something on Champ Summers of all people.  Go figure.

   11. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: January 24, 2006 at 04:44 AM (#1835337)

Since it’s never too early for me to start doing this . . . .

Who’s going to Seattle?  List of potential primates (defining the term “primate” about as broadly as possible) going to SABR36 & how likely it is they’ll be there.

1) Maury Brown.  Not just going, he’s the Oregon Liason, so if he doesn’t make there’s a shot Big Foot might run amuk through the streets of Rain City.
2) Chris Dial.  Has to go. I don’t see how you can even have a SABR without him, the first 33 gatherings not withstanding.
3) Anthony Giacalone.  I know he’s booked his hotel room
4) Me.  I’m #3’s roommate
5) Steve Treder.  Read in one thread that he booked a hotel room.
6) deJesus Freak.  Not just a member, but the parliamentarian for SABR’s national board.  Very likely.
7) Vinay.  It’s far closer to home for him than Cin or Tor, and he made them.  Very likely.
8) Aaron Gleeman.  He’s Gleeman.  Very likely.
9) Ben Jacobs.  Made enough money in poker in Toronto to finance Seattle.  Likely.
10) Neal Traven.  Casting the net broadly here.  Only a handful of posts on primer, but as the head of SABR’s stats committee he’s some kind of honorary primate.  Besides, he went out drinking with primates one night.  And he lives in Seattle so he’s pretty much a guarantee.
11) Rob Neyer.  Casting a very wide net here, but he did mention in the Gleeman sum up thread that he was disappointed in not meeting any primates. Famous last words.  Very likely he’ll be there at least.
12) Jon Daly.  Long distance, but he’s an active SABR member, and has considered flying 1/2way around the country for primer meetups. Likely.
13) Rauseo.  Also an active member who has been to multiple SABR-cons.  Likely.
14) Joe Dimino.  Been to at least 3 straight SABRs.  Likely.
15) Bob T.  Active SABR member.  Gave presentation in Cin, ran a room in Toronto, and since he lives in LA this is far closer to his home.  Likely, though he usually spends time with long time SABR friends, which is fine.
16) David Jones.  Active SABR member.  Current committee head I believe.  Likely to attend, though usually spends time away from the Primer Fat Farm.
17) Harveys Wallbanger.  Barring legal issues, I’d imagine he’s likely to come.  He said after Cincinnati that he doesn’t socialize much at these gatherings, though.  Will that still be the case?  We’ll see.
18) Dan Szymborski.  Been to the last two, but I think I heard him say this one might be too far for him.  Maybe.
19) Sean Forman.  His wife gave birth to a son last summer.  That and distance makes it tricky.  Maybe, leaning towards not likely.
20) Jim Furtado.  Distance & family responsibilities both lean against, but his kids ain’t as young as Baby Forman.  Maybe.
21) Justin Kubatko.  Maybe 1 post ever at primer, but he hung out with the primer flock in Cincinnati.  Lives in NM/AZ so this one’s unusually close for him.  Likely?
22) runningbyrd.  Lives in/around Seattle & mentioned something about letting people stay at his place, though I haven’t heard offically if he intends to go himself.  Chalk him down as likely.
23) Eric Enders.  Active SABR member, has missed at least two in a row, both which point towards him coming this time.  But it is a long distance.  Likely, I guess.
24) Will Young.  Went last time.  Long distance, and I don’t think he’s got a lot of money.  Maybe.
25) Mike Emeigh.  Active SABR member, but it’s a long distance & he’s got a family. Maybe.
26) John Murphy.  Ditto Emeigh, but not as active a member.  Maybe.
27) Greg Spira.  Has he ever posted on primer?  Well, he hung out with the primer flock in Cincinnati, but didn’t go to Toronto.  No idea.
28) Joe K. Posted on primer maybe 3 times, all in SABR threads last year.  Went last year & won the Trivia Contest.  Also went to a Thai restraunt with me, Szym, & Dial.  Maybe.
29) Dick Thompson.  Hasn’t posted on primer in quite a while, but I believe he’s a SABR member.  I don’t think he was in Toronto.  No idea on his odds of going to Seattle.
30) Paul Wendt.  Only btf posts are in the HoM.  Either a current or former SABR committee chair.  Likely, I guess.
31) Scott Lange.  Went to Cincinnati, not Tornoto.  Maybe.
32) Dennis Goodman. Maybe 3 posts ever, but co-runs northside lounge with Lange, and hung out with primer crowd in Cincinnati.  Maybe
33) Roadblock Jones.  Went to Toronto, & apparently presenting a regional thing in NY.  Long distance for him.  Maybe.
34) fra paolo.  Went to Toronto, but lives in UK with young children.  Wildly unlikely.
35) psa1/snuggles.  IIRC, he mentioned something about submitting a possible presentation to the SABR judges, but I don’t think he went to Toronto.  Unlikley
36) Toolsy McCluth.  Lives near Toronto & went to that one.  Generally I’m a bit more skeptical of people who have only (to my knowledge) gone to the SABRs that are local for them.  Unlikely.
37) Craig Burley.  Toronto guy with family who only made half of last year’s convention.  Unlikely.
38) Sam M. Lives near Cincinnati & only made half of that year’s convention.  Missed Toronto.  Unlikely.
39) mgl.  SABR member & did go to Cincinnati, though I don’t recall seeing him.  Maybe.
40) Mike Webber.  HoM voter who was in Toronto.  Maybe
41) Mike Emslie.  Toronto’er who was in Toronto.  Unlikely.
42) Phil Coorey.  Mentioned he might try to go there, IIRC. Maybe
43) Vince Galloro.  IIRC he mentioning after Toronto that he might go to Seattle.  Maybe.
44) UCCF.  Same as the last two.  Maybe.
45) blonde haired guy who played poker in Cincinnati.  Can’t for the life of me remember his name, but he was in Dial’s table in the big poker game, and hung out with the primer flock the day of the ballgame.  Not in Toronto, I think.  No idea on Seattle.
46) Ron/b Johnson.  Forgot what his first name is.  Dial called him the “usenet God.”  Went to Tornoto.  Maybe. 
47) Repoz.  Once mentioned (I think) that he’d like to go but is caught up doing something (executor of an estate or something weird like that).  His participation in Seattle would depend on his weird thing, I guess.
48) studes.  Once I checked THT guys out at the SABR members only online directory.  He’s in there.  Don’t think he’s ever gone.  Unlikely.
49) Dan Fox.  Maybe 1-2 posts here ever, but I consider THT guys to be de facto primates.  Member, but I don’t think he’s ever gone.  Unlikely.
50) Brian Borawski.  Same as last comment.  Unlikely.
51) Dan Werr.  The Sam M. or Burley or Seattle?  Who know.  Maybe.
52) SMK.  Start with Werr’s chances then subtract for distance, odds that it fits in her schedule even if it fits in with his, and chance for break-up.
53) Larry Mahnken.  Wanted to go last year, but couldn’t.  Much farther distance this year.  Unlikely.
54) Biff.  Ditto previous comment.  Unlikely.
55) Max Parkinson.  HoM voter who went to Toronto.  I think he lives around Toronto.  Unlikely.
56) meatwad.  Same as Biff & Larry.  Unlikely.
57) David Nierporent.  SABR member, once mentioned he ought to go to one of these one day. This one’s as far away from him as possible.  Unlikely.
58) Jack Vincennes.  Remember him saying he’d like to go.  Also remember him saying the weekend doesn’t work out for him.  Unlikely.
59) pmob.  Lives around there.  Never heard him talk about going & he hardly posts on primer lately. Unlikely.
60) RB in DC.  Vaguely recall him saying he’d like to go one, but memory so fuzzy it may be incorrect.  Unlikley.
61) Phil Birnbaum.  Has maybe 3-4 posts here ever, but I’ve been changing e-mails with him for the last month or two, and it’s my list.  He’s likely to go.

Any corrections, ommissions, or updates?  Feel free to schlump ‘em down.

   12. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: January 24, 2006 at 06:13 AM (#1835463)

7) Vinay. It’s far closer to home for him than Cin or Tor, and he made them. Very likely.

Not only that, but my brother lives right in downtown Seattle, so it’ll be much cheaper for me.  I’m definitely going.

14) Joe Dimino. Been to at least 3 straight SABRs. Likely.

IMO, he’s as likely as anybody who has to cross the country.  The man lives for SABR-cons; he has said that it is consistently the best 4-5 days of each year and that he plans to make every single one in his life.

   13. Harold can be a fun sponge Posted: January 24, 2006 at 06:27 AM (#1835481)

We had a thread about the convention on the THT e-mail list.  I hope the guys don’t mind if I summarize everybody’s status here:

Definitely in:  Gleeman, Maury Brown, me, Treder, Dimino
Pretty likely:  Ben Jacobs
Maybe:  sardonic (a THT editor), Tamer, Carolina (another THT editor; not sure if she’s ever posted here)

Studes would like to go but that particular date doesn’t work for him, so he’s out, unfortunately.

   14. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 24, 2006 at 06:46 AM (#1835500)

I’m in, as is Red.

   15. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 24, 2006 at 02:52 PM (#1835657)

10) Neal Traven. Casting the net broadly here. Only a handful of posts on primer, but as the head of SABR’s stats committee he’s some kind of honorary primate. Besides, he went out drinking with primates one night. And he lives in Seattle so he’s pretty much a guarantee.

He’s also an officer of the organization. He’ll be there.

25) Mike Emeigh. Active SABR member, but it’s a long distance & he’s got a family. Maybe.

I’ve made a hotel reservation, and barring a calamity, I’ll be there. If I get elected to office (I’m running for Director), I’ll definitely have to be there anyway.

—MWE

   16. Punky Brusstar (orw) Posted: January 24, 2006 at 05:52 PM (#1835902)

PECOTA projects Jon Daly to be there, but spend to much by not planning ahead.

   17. Anthony Giacalone Posted: January 24, 2006 at 06:05 PM (#1835923)

19) Sean Forman. His wife gave birth to a son last summer. That and distance makes it tricky. Maybe, leaning towards not likely.

Sean suggested to me that he was likely to go, which is awesome since he brings some class to our motley crew.

   18. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: January 24, 2006 at 06:09 PM (#1835930)

However Daly made his reservations online and now all that’s left of cyberspace is the space. ;-)

Best Regards

John

   19. Roadblock Jones Posted: January 24, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#1836166)

I expect to have a newborn at home by then and most likely won’t make it.

(too-much-information) Conceived, it is believed, upon return from last year’s event in Toronto.(/too-much-information)

   20. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: January 24, 2006 at 09:05 PM (#1836242)

22) runningbyrd. Lives in/around Seattle & mentioned something about letting people stay at his place, though I haven’t heard offically if he intends to go himself. Chalk him down as likely.

Sadly enough, chalk me up as unlikely. One of my best friends decided last week to change his wedding date to the 30th of june. The wedding will be in Wisconsin. I have given him much crap for the decision, but I have to be there as a groomsman or maybe the best man. There is a chance I will make it back for saturday night, which would be dandy, but I’m not counting on it just yet.

However, my leaving does open up the possibility of my apt being open for the duration, so if you younger guys who might have trouble paying for hotels need a place to stay, I have one bed and two sleepable couches that will likely be open, plus an insanely nice deck, so get in touch with me at some point during the spring.

   21. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: January 24, 2006 at 09:38 PM (#1836293)

6) deJesus Freak. Not just a member, but the parliamentarian for SABR’s national board. Very likely.

I’m in.  In fact, I’ve already booked a room, but not the flight.  The only question is whether the Lady Freak will join me, and I’m pretty sure she wants to see Seattle.

   22. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 24, 2006 at 09:40 PM (#1836299)

I’m probably.  I really don’t like flying that far, but I’d like to go again.  It’ll be easier for event to dissuade me from this one than, however, than 2007 in St. Louis, for which I’m a lock.

   23. Mister High Standards Posted: January 24, 2006 at 09:51 PM (#1836334)

I’m on the fence.  I’m hoping to buy a house next year, and the couple K would be nice to have… with that said, much like The Minno it is 4 of the best days of the year. And one of these years travel has to be easy.

   24. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 24, 2006 at 10:55 PM (#1836504)

The only question is whether the Lady Freak will join me, and I’m pretty sure she wants to see Seattle.

Paula will be going w/ me. If we turn the ladies loose at the Market, though, we’ll have plenty of time to do other things :)

—MWE

   25. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: January 24, 2006 at 10:59 PM (#1836512)

Sounds dangerous.

Actually, I’ll have to find a way to work it so I can see more of Seattle myself.  I’ve been eager to visit.

It didn’t make much of a difference for me in Denver or Cincinnati, because I saw most everything I wanted to see, but I wished that I would have seen more of Toronto than King St., the Rogers Centre, and the CN Tower.

   26. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: January 27, 2006 at 11:23 PM (#1840925)

Oh, and for the record, there aren’t any mosquitos in seattle. Just a thought. For someone who lived in GA, VT, and MN, it’s quite a revelation.

   27. WillYoung Posted: January 28, 2006 at 02:12 AM (#1841139)

I’m not going to be there unfortunately.  A friend of mine is getting married in Pittsburgh on July 1.  I will definitely be at St. Louis.

   28. Sean Forman Posted: January 31, 2006 at 07:57 PM (#1845517)

I have a hotel room.  The kid will be 11 months by then and while it might be a mistake we are leaning towards both going and taking him. 

I’m 90% sure I’ll be there.  The question is with company or not.  Spira will definitely be going as well.  He was sick last summer.

   29. Roadblock Jones Posted: February 01, 2006 at 03:43 PM (#1846366)

If anyone’s interested, I’ve published the text and powerpoint from the presentation on the Bing Devine-era Mets I gave at the NYC SABR meeting last weekend.

   30. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: February 01, 2006 at 04:28 PM (#1846401)

The kid

Haven’t settled on a name yet?

Did you try “Jury”?

   31. Mister High Standards Posted: February 01, 2006 at 11:36 PM (#1847022)

FYI - they are out of rooms… wonderul planning.

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