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Report: Ben Cherington Emerges As Candidate For Pittsburgh Pirates’ Head Of Baseball Operations

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — Former Boston Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington is reportedly a candidate to be the Pittsburgh Pirates’ head of baseball operations.

Ken Rosenthal of MLB on Fox reported the news Thursday.

Since September of 2016, Cherington has been the Toronto Blue Jays’ vice president of baseball operations.

So, what did Cherington do to deserve this?

 

QLE Posted: November 08, 2019 at 12:20 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 08, 2019 at 05:24 AM (#5899629)
So, what did Cherington do to deserve this?


Basically nothing, as far as I can tell - he just seems to keep falling upwards, for some inexplicable reason.
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: November 08, 2019 at 09:38 AM (#5899656)
So, what did Cherington do to deserve this?


Win a World Series?

   3. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 08, 2019 at 10:00 AM (#5899663)
Win a World Series?



With another, better GM's players, and then make a bunch of disastrous moves and finish last three years in a row, in spite of having significantly more resources to work with than he'd have in Pittsburgh?

Thanks, but I'll pass.
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: November 08, 2019 at 10:08 AM (#5899669)
With another, better GM's players,


Not really. The 2013 team was largely Cherington-acquired guys. Now, it was fluky, and there was an awful lot to dislike about his tenure (though it was two straight and 3 or 4, not three in a row), but having GM'd a World Series winner is usually an attractive quality on the resume of a prospective GM.
   5. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 08, 2019 at 10:14 AM (#5899672)
having GM'd a World Series winner is usually an attractive quality on the resume of a prospective GM.


The last time the Pirates were in the market for front office types, MLB was pushing for them to hire Joe Garagiola, which I think is a pretty good comp here.
   6. jmurph Posted: November 08, 2019 at 10:16 AM (#5899674)
I'd agree that a promotion, which this at least reads as, would be a little surprising. But I think he clearly merits another GM job. If it's just a titular promotion then sure.
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: November 08, 2019 at 10:23 AM (#5899677)
The last time the Pirates were in the market for front office types, MLB was pushing for them to hire Joe Garagiola, which I think is a pretty good comp here.


I'm not saying they should hire him. Just the idea that "Why on earth would you consider him?" is quite the stretch. His record is a mixed bag (good: 2013, the Punto trade; bad: 2014-15, not a great draft record), but it's not like he's Allard Baird.

   8. Rally Posted: November 08, 2019 at 01:33 PM (#5899759)
Draft record? Looks like he struck out in 13, but got Kopech and Chavis in 14, and Benintendi the next year.
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: November 08, 2019 at 01:39 PM (#5899763)
Looks like he struck out in 13,


'12 too.
   10. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: November 08, 2019 at 02:11 PM (#5899777)
A team could do a lot worse than Cherington and I was never his biggest fan. I think he was in a bit of a tough spot when he took over. I think there are real questions to be asked about how much he was driving the bus in general.

If we assume he was the guy making the call, as SoSH said he did some really good things and maybe his best achievement was not rushing to acquire players and sacrificing guys that became the backbone of the 2016-2018 teams. I'll add that while the 2013 draft was a major disappointment he made up for it at least in part by landing Rafael Devers and Darwinzon Hernandez in that year's international signing period. That's a pretty good get right there.

The other thing about him is that he seemed pretty good on ancillary pieces. The Sox traded away Mark Melancon for Joel Hanrahan which looks like a disaster until you realize he also landed Brock Holt in that deal. He whiffed at the top of the 2013 draft but got guys like Mauricio Dubon and Carlos Asuaje that at least have a purpose later in the draft. He also did a pretty good job in 2013 of augmenting the roster at the trade deadline the one time the Sox were competitive during his tenure.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: November 08, 2019 at 02:20 PM (#5899784)
Most of these saber-GMs are probably interchangeable. I'm sure Cherington is competent. Most of his track record in Boston speaks only to good or bad luck.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: November 08, 2019 at 06:29 PM (#5899858)
seems to keep falling upwards

GM of the Red Sox to GM of the Pirates is not "falling upwards." He fell from near the top of the GM ladder and, a few years later, has managed to get back on near the bottom.
   13. QLE Posted: November 08, 2019 at 06:46 PM (#5899860)
GM of the Red Sox to GM of the Pirates is not "falling upwards." He fell from near the top of the GM ladder and, a few years later, has managed to get back on near the bottom.


Quite, which is the item that's surprising me about how my line has been interpreted- being put in charge of the Pirates strikes me as some sort of punishment that I wouldn't wish on someone.
   14. Hot Wheeling American Posted: November 08, 2019 at 06:47 PM (#5899861)
Seriously. I read the intro as what horror did Benny commit to have to take a gig with the Pirates.

Edit: beaten by QLE by a second!
   15. jingoist Posted: November 09, 2019 at 11:54 AM (#5899966)
As a 74 year old Bucco fan that moved away from the Burgh area 55 years ago, but who continues to follow the Pirates, I find the many posted comments about the unfortunate plight of the Pirates both sad but true,
It has been 40 years since “we are family”, and it doesn’t appear likely that I will get to celebrate another WS win in the years remaining to me.
I did have a bit of a reprieve this year as my adopted team, the Nats, came through finally.
I admit my conflicted feelings whenever the Bucs and Nats play one another, but I am fully committed to expectations that a Lerner owned team will provide me with the best chance to go “all in” when rooting for a post season season.
   16. Darren Posted: November 09, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5899978)
I can definitely see how a Pirates fans would look at Cherington and be nonplussed. I didn't think he did a very good job as GM with the Red Sox overall. If you want to feel good about this, Cherington was considered a good executive under Epstein, and then stepped into a job where a) he had people above him who probably made his job very hard (Hire Bobby Valentine, he's a genius!), and b) he was young, inexperienced, and didn't have the power to navigate this situation. Maybe he's matured.
   17. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: November 09, 2019 at 04:25 PM (#5900079)

I can definitely see how a Pirates fans would look at Cherington and be nonplussed. I didn't think he did a very good job as GM with the Red Sox overall. If you want to feel good about this, Cherington was considered a good executive under Epstein, and then stepped into a job where a) he had people above him who probably made his job very hard (Hire Bobby Valentine, he's a genius!), and b) he was young, inexperienced, and didn't have the power to navigate this situation. Maybe he's matured.


Cherington may not have been all that sexy with the Sox, but he built a very deep organization. Dombrowski then came in and traded a bunch of the guys (sometimes successfully, sometimes not). Consider Chris Sale - he is with the Sox because of Cherington's stockpiling. Could be exactly what the Pirates need.

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