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Monday, August 25, 2014

Report: Cubs calling up top prospect outfielder Jorge Soler

“Soler power” could be the “WAR, what is it good for?” joke of a new generation…

Another big piece of the Cubs’ future is on the way to the majors, as David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com reports that top prospect outfielder Jorge Soler will be promoted from Triple-A Iowa tomorrow…

Listed at 6-foot-4 and 215 pounds, Soler defected from Cuba in 2011 and joined the Cubs in June of 2012 with a nine-year, $30 million contract. The 22-year-old was limited to just 55 games last season due to a fractured tibia, but he has exploded this season by batting .340/.432/.700 with 15 home runs in 62 minor league games between rookie ball, Double-A, and Triple-A.

The District Attorney Posted: August 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. VoodooR Posted: August 25, 2014 at 11:53 PM (#4779103)
I feel like... it's a good time to be a Cubs fan.
   2. PreservedFish Posted: August 26, 2014 at 12:18 AM (#4779108)
My local college radio station played an MC Solaar song today. I'm not sure why.
   3. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: August 26, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4779111)
All well and good. Bryant has 43 HR, 77 XBH, and is hitting .333/.443/.682. WTF does he have to do to get called up?
   4. Dan The Mediocre Posted: August 26, 2014 at 12:44 AM (#4779113)
All well and good. Bryant has 43 HR, 77 XBH, and is hitting .333/.443/.682. WTF does he have to do to get called up?


Have his service time already started.
   5. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: August 26, 2014 at 01:32 AM (#4779128)
As woth alcantara, hendricks, and beaz I will be working during the game. I hope he mashes.
   6. SteveM. Posted: August 26, 2014 at 06:54 AM (#4779146)
The Cubs will actually be worth watching in September for the first time in years. Usually by now my attention is switched to Alabama football and the Bears.
   7. Dag is a salt water fish in fresh water world Posted: August 26, 2014 at 08:54 AM (#4779166)
All well and good. Bryant has 43 HR, 77 XBH, and is hitting .333/.443/.682. WTF does he have to do to get called up?

Not get a foot injury in August.
   8. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: August 26, 2014 at 10:10 AM (#4779202)
Trib says he'll join the Cubs tomorrow, not today.
   9. Scott Lange Posted: August 26, 2014 at 10:22 AM (#4779213)
Not get a foot injury in August.


The front office said before the injury that Bryant won't be called up until next year and I don't think they've ever deviated from that stance. It makes perfect sense to me, and a lineup featuring Castro/Rizzo/Alcantara/Baez/Soler is plenty for me to chew on for now.
   10. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: August 26, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4779215)
ICubs were in Tacoma last night. Soler is going to get a travel day to get to Cincinnati, and start on Wednesday. Apparently he got pulled from the ICubs game just after hitting a 3-run HR.

Question about Bryant. If he's going to start with the Cubs in April next year, why not bring him up in Sept? He'll still not be arb eligible until after 2017, and free agent after 2020. If they want the extra year, don't they have to wait to bring him up until mid-June of 2015? Can that really be what they're considering?
   11. Willard Baseball Posted: August 26, 2014 at 10:44 AM (#4779224)
They need to not bring him up because they need to stop winning.

If they continue to play this well the 2nd round pick forfeiture for Lester is going to become a 1st.

Where are guys like Casey Coleman? We need to get him and Chris Rusin to take Hendricks and Arrietta's starts the next couple of weeks.
   12. Spahn Insane Posted: August 26, 2014 at 10:44 AM (#4779226)
Not get a foot injury in August.

How the hell did I miss this?

Anyway (having googled it), it's apparently not serious, and the Cubs weren't going to call him up this year regardless.
   13. Dan Posted: August 26, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4779233)
Question about Bryant. If he's going to start with the Cubs in April next year, why not bring him up in Sept? He'll still not be arb eligible until after 2017, and free agent after 2020. If they want the extra year, don't they have to wait to bring him up until mid-June of 2015? Can that really be what they're considering?


To get the 7th year they only have to wait like 10 days into the 2015 season. Mid-June (or probably even later now that teams are manipulating it) would be to prevent Super 2 status.
   14. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: August 26, 2014 at 11:02 AM (#4779237)
Thanks Dan. I didn't realize that arb and FA follow different rules. I guess we'll see Bryant around April 20. That might piss off Boras, but Bryant should be fine getting four years of arb dollars.
   15. billyshears Posted: August 26, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4779243)
Question about Bryant. If he's going to start with the Cubs in April next year, why not bring him up in Sept? He'll still not be arb eligible until after 2017, and free agent after 2020. If they want the extra year, don't they have to wait to bring him up until mid-June of 2015? Can that really be what they're considering?


I don't believe he is on the 40 man roster. If they bring him up, then they have to add him to the 40 man roster which means they have to protect him for the Rule 5 draft. I don't know if the Cubs 40 man roster is full, but if they have to add Bryant, they would likely have to take somebody else off and expose them to the Rule 5 draft.
   16. Batman Posted: August 26, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4779245)
The Cubs will actually be worth watching in September for the first time in years. Usually by now my attention is switched to Alabama football and the Bears.
So you just really like different kinds of bears?
   17. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: August 26, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4779279)
Didn't know about Bryant's injury either. Keeping him off the 40 man makes sense I suppose. It is full, but there's some deadwood on it: Lake, Olt,...James MacDonald seems pretty useless.
   18. Charles S. will not yield to this monkey court Posted: August 26, 2014 at 11:56 AM (#4779283)
MacDonald is on the 60-day, not taking up a spot. Vitters would be the natural choice. Even if he couldn't pass through waivers, so what?
   19. just plain joe Posted: August 26, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4779284)
I don't believe he is on the 40 man roster. If they bring him up, then they have to add him to the 40 man roster which means they have to protect him for the Rule 5 draft. I don't know if the Cubs 40 man roster is full, but if they have to add Bryant, they would likely have to take somebody else off and expose them to the Rule 5 draft.


How much minor league service time does Bryant have? If he has more than 3 years he will need to be placed on the 40 man roster to be protected from the Rule 5 draft anyway; if it is less than 3 years then there is no need to put him on the 40 man at all.
   20. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: August 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM (#4779287)
If they continue to play this well the 2nd round pick forfeiture for Lester is going to become a 1st.

I thought Lester was the one FA that isn't going to cost a draft pick? Scherzer or Shields will, which is another reason for the Cubs to favor Lester.

To get the 7th year they only have to wait like 10 days into the 2015 season. Mid-June (or probably even later now that teams are manipulating it) would be to prevent Super 2 status.

Not having him up at the start might be the plan, but the Cubs are going to have a really hard time sending him down if he tears it up in ST.
   21. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: August 26, 2014 at 12:03 PM (#4779289)
How much minor league service time does Bryant have? If he has more than 3 years he will need to be placed on the 40 man roster to be protected from the Rule 5 draft anyway; if it is less than 3 years then there is no need to put him on the 40 man at all.

1.5 seasons. He was a 2013 draftee. So not an issue, but he'd have to go on to get called up.
   22. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: August 26, 2014 at 12:16 PM (#4779299)
MacDonald is on the 60-day, not taking up a spot.


In that case, there is a spot open. BBREF lists 40 on the 40 man, and one of them is McDonald. And yeah, I forgot about Vitters. So, a spot open plus 3 useless guys.
   23. zonk Posted: August 26, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4779302)

I thought Lester was the one FA that isn't going to cost a draft pick?


I believe this is correct.

Comp picks only apply to FA's who spent the entire season with their former team.
   24. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: August 26, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4779312)
The Cubs will surely try to Longoria/Springer Bryant next year. He'll either agree to a 7th year in a deal to come up on Opening Day, or they'll wait the 10 days and bring him up shortly after, perhaps with a contract buying out some arb years. This is the prudent thing to do -- waiting until June for Super-2 for Bryant won't make much sense, given how ready he is and that the Cubs might actually be decent next year, and bringing him up now is too costly.
   25. McCoy Posted: August 26, 2014 at 02:13 PM (#4779410)
If the Cubs play games with Bryant's service time next year that would be the height of stupidity if they think they might possibly be good next year. A team like the Cubs absolutely do not need to keep Bryant down until June. Don't have an issue with keeping him down for 10 days at the beginning but he shouldn't be kept down for two months for financial reasons. The potential cost in lost wins makes keeping him down stupid.
   26. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 26, 2014 at 02:43 PM (#4779433)
Agreed, McCoy. With a swath of prospects getting a good look over the last two months, it would seem that we're finally at the end of this three-year, "Let's try to be bad" phase of The Plan. Who knows how well the kids will carry the load in 2015, but barring something terrible, one would assume the Cubs will field their best team of the Thed era next year. With the NL proving to be somewhat mediocre in recent seasons, there's no reason to dink around and keep a potential key piece of a winning team down on the farm in the name of saving a few bucks.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: August 26, 2014 at 04:29 PM (#4779508)
The potential cost in lost wins makes keeping him down stupid.

What, do wins create revenue now? I can't keep up. :-)

If you're gonna Longoria/Springer Bryant, might as well do it now. "Sign now and you'll be on the opening day roster" and "sign now and you'll be on the Sept roster" are the same thing. If we had a genuinely crowded 40-man, that would be one thing.
   28. McCoy Posted: August 26, 2014 at 05:10 PM (#4779543)
What, do wins create revenue now? I can't keep up. :-)

If Theo thinks next year's team is only going to win 75 games then by all means keep him down. Though I don't agree with it I can least understand it. If you think you're going to win 100 games you can keep him down as well but if you do think you're going to win 100 games I sure would like to hear your reasoning in believing that.
   29. zonk Posted: August 26, 2014 at 11:12 PM (#4779720)
One thing that SHOULD be at least a bit of a concern --

No, the Cubs shouldn't be the sort of team that keeps Bryant down till June to avoid super 2 status - but, the fact is that if everything does break just as hoped, the Cubs WILL be facing an awful lot of guys looking at their first FA extensions precisely at the same time. In fact - without doing the math and looking it all up, don't the Castro/Rizzo arb/first year or two of FA buyout mean that the current crop of guys just behind them actually put them pretty much ALL in line to be up in 2019 or 2020 (which is also when I think Soler's long deal expires).

Obviously, that's a long time off... and requires a lot of chickens hatching appropriately to boot. I'm most certainly NOT saying the Cubs should fiddle with calling players up - the kids are playing well, there are more on the way, they're the future, so let's get going and enjoy 2015 through ~2019/2020... I'm just saying that the offseason/transaction Cubs threads are going to be rather interesting in 5-6-7 years.

Even a non-Ricketts Cubs team probably isn't going to be able to afford to make them all Cubs for life should they all hit their ceilings...
   30. PreservedFish Posted: August 27, 2014 at 02:05 AM (#4779775)
I'm playing OOTP right now and I'm in late July 2019. I just noticed that the top 3 homerun hitters in the NL are Bryant, Soler and Baez. They've made the playoffs three years in a row, apparently as the 2nd wild card all three years, and advanced into the NLCS each time. They're in position to be the second wild card yet again.
   31. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 27, 2014 at 08:59 AM (#4779812)
Even a non-Ricketts Cubs team probably isn't going to be able to afford to make them all Cubs for life should they all hit their ceilings...

Well, since that's never going to happen, I wouldn't worry about it.

If one of Bryant/Baez/Soler hits his ceiling (perennial All-Star), you should be thrilled.

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