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Report: Damon will ‘be lucky’ to sign somewhere

Twists Johnny and his Heartbreakers “All By Myself” just a bit louder.

A baseball executive says former Yankees outfielder Johnny Damon “is going to be lucky to get whatever he gets,” if he signs somewhere.

The AL exec told MLive.com that Damon and agent Scott Boras misjudged the market for the 36-year-old outfielder.

Damon last week said he’s looking for a two-year, $22 million contract and admitted he turned down a two-year, $14 million deal to return to the Yankees.

“Sometimes, we ask for too much,” the source, requesting anonymity, told writer Steve Kornacki. “Then, the smoke clears and you ask, ‘Where am I?’ And now, I can’t believe anybody is going to offer Damon more than the $14 million and $6 million the Yankees did.

“If you turn them down for that, you deserve one year for $3 million or whatever he is going to get. In February, teams have got guys in place. My feeling is that now he is going to be lucky to get whatever he gets. It’s still supply and demand in this game. And Johnny’s arrow is in the middle or going down.”

 

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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 05, 2010 at 09:47 PM (#3454923)
In February, teams have got guys in place.

And in March, guys get hurt or look overmatched. I think Johnny's best bet at this point is to wait til mid-March.
   2. Crispix Attacks Posted: February 05, 2010 at 09:53 PM (#3454932)
The Dutch economy is doing pretty well. I want to see DOOR Neptunus or ADO Den Haag break the bank to sign Damon, like Panathinaikos did with Dominique Wilkins.
   3. Danny Posted: February 05, 2010 at 09:54 PM (#3454934)
If you turn them down for that, you deserve one year for $3 million or whatever he is going to get. In February, teams have got guys in place. My feeling is that now he is going to be lucky to get whatever he gets.

So does he deserve $3 million, or is he lucky to get that?

Or is a baseball exec just anonymously sniping at Boras?
   4. Earvin 'Gold Stars' Johnson Posted: February 05, 2010 at 09:58 PM (#3454939)
Has Lord Haw Haw Heyman chimed in recently?
   5. James Kannengieser Posted: February 05, 2010 at 09:59 PM (#3454941)
Mets: sign now, figure out position later.
   6. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:02 PM (#3454945)
Regardless whether he misjudged the market, it's insane that he can't find a job. The guy is coming off a tremendous season for the best team in baseball. All the market corrections and great recessions and short porches and defensive metrics you want can't explain this. MLB's middle class is getting ######.
   7. Crispix Attacks Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:04 PM (#3454948)
One problem is that nobody wants to sign long-term contracts which are not also big $$$/year. I bet there are teams that would sign Orlando Hudson for four years and $5M per year, but he would rather get $5M for one year because his agent says the market will get better soon.
   8. Kyle S at work Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:07 PM (#3454952)
I would love Damon in LF for the Braves and a platoon of Diaz and Melky in RF. I don't see Heyward outhitting Damon in 2010 (or even Matelky Cabriaz) so why not let the lad get some more seasoning and avoid being a super two, all for a few million bucks for a Damon rental? It makes too much sense to happen.
   9. My Name is Neo (Mr. Anderson) Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:08 PM (#3454957)
Ten days until pitchers and catchers and Damon can't find a job. Brilliant work by Boras.
   10. robinred Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:09 PM (#3454959)
Reds should make him an offer.

Giants as well.
   11. Vida Blew Over the Legal Limit Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:24 PM (#3454970)
Reds should make him an offer.


I'd love to see it, but I just don't see it unless they can dump Cordero on someone, and I don't think they want to trade him yet.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:37 PM (#3454987)
If he's in the $3-4M 1-year range, every team can afford him.

There are plenty of teams where he'd improve LF or DH.
   13. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:41 PM (#3454994)
For $3 million? ####, the Red Sox should offer him that and just do whatever with him. Between Cameron, Drew and Ortiz, there'd be some at-bats for him.
   14. robinred Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:42 PM (#3454995)
I'd love to see it, but I just don't see it unless they can dump Cordero on someone, and I don't think they want to trade him yet


You are probably right, but given where the team is and its personnel/management team, I would prefer Damon to the Dickerson/Balentien or Gomes platoon that I expect we will see. The team is short on both pop and OBP, and Damon, (perhaps a slightly angry I'll-show-'em Damon) on a one-year deal with incentives, would provide some of both. The Reds would still need Stubbs and Bruce to take some big steps forward to a have a legit offense, but I think adding Damon would be a good move.
   15. Downtown Bookie Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:43 PM (#3454997)
Bengie Molina agreed to a one year $4.5 million contract with the Giants.

There is no way Bengie Molina is going to earn more money playing Major League Baseball than Johnny Damon will in 2010.

DB
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:47 PM (#3455001)
MLB's middle class is getting ######.

To be honest though, I'm kinda glad. They have been overpaid for a long time. Replacement value is a concept that is slowly starting to seep into many front offices.

That said, Damon is well above replacement value and could help a lot of teams. I can think of a few contenders that could use him.

One problem is that nobody wants to sign long-term contracts which are not also big $$$/year. I bet there are teams that would sign Orlando Hudson for four years and $5M per year, but he would rather get $5M for one year because his agent says the market will get better soon.

This. I think a lot of teams are up against their 2010 budgets but have a lot of money coming off the books next year, when many of the contracts from the 2005-2007 spending orgy expire. I've read of many players rejecting two year deals that are heavily backloaded in favor of money now and a chance to get a better deal next winter.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:50 PM (#3455005)
That said, Damon is well above replacement value and could help a lot of teams. I can think of a few contenders that could use him.

White Sox, Mets (put Bay at 1B), Braves, Marlins, Giants, Mariners, A's, Angels just off the top of my head.
   18. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:50 PM (#3455006)
You are probably right, but given where the team is and its personnel/management team, I would prefer Damon to the Dickerson/Balentien or Gomes platoon that I expect we will see. The team is short on both pop and OBP,

Is Juan Francisco ready for the ML and could he play LF until Rolen disintegrates into a pile of detached limbs?
   19. JPWF13 Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:55 PM (#3455017)
If he's in the $3-4M 1-year range, every team can afford him.

There are plenty of teams where he'd improve LF or DH.

For $3 million? ####, the Red Sox should offer him that and just do whatever with him. Between Cameron, Drew and Ortiz, there'd be some at-bats for him.


Is there any indication he's willing to go down that far, yet?
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:58 PM (#3455021)
Mets (put Bay at 1B)

I said "contenders."
   21. Kyle S at work Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:58 PM (#3455022)
It's hard to see him going anywhere that he wouldn't be guaranteed a full-time spot. According to Dave O'Brien of the AJC, the Tigers and Braves are in the lead due to need and the proximity of their ST facilities to his Florida home.
   22. JPWF13 Posted: February 05, 2010 at 10:58 PM (#3455023)
There was a player who's name eludes me now, decent player, not a star, but a regular for few years, around 33-35 years old, he was looking for a deal of around X dollars - his best offer was 1/2 X

he loudly and publicly retired, the best offer was "insulting", he didn't care what teams thought he was worth, we wasn't going to play for less than what HE thought he was worth.
   23. robinred Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:00 PM (#3455025)
Is Juan Francisco ready for the ML and could he play LF until Rolen disintegrates into a pile of detached limbs


The spec is more that Votto will move there when Yonder Alonso is ready, which may or not be this year. Given that the team's lineup is projected to be peak, old, or past-peak guys, save for Stubbs and Bruce, I think Damon makes sense. The Reds are not a young team.
   24. My Name is Neo (Mr. Anderson) Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:01 PM (#3455027)
Problem is, Damon is drinking Boras' kool-aid. He said last week on WFAN he wants $11 million for one year. Good luck.
   25. formerly dp Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:10 PM (#3455029)
Mets: sign now, figure out position later.

Torrealba signed with the Pads today, somewhere around $1.5, with a mutual option for next year at $3.5. I think Omar's done...

Is there any indication he's willing to go down that far, yet?

No. But Hudson just signed for $5 million after looking for $9M all winter long. I'm guessing Damon get about that if he signs before March...
   26. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:11 PM (#3455030)
If Damon and the Yanks had an ounce of common sense and could put their egos to rest for a minute, they'd sit down at the table and go back to that 2 / 14 contract. It'd be the best for everyone concerned, with the exception of their opponents.
   27. Harvey Berkman Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:11 PM (#3455031)
collusion?
   28. Gamingboy Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:13 PM (#3455032)
I'm sure the St. Paul Saints might make a move for him.
   29. Martin Hemner Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:19 PM (#3455039)
he loudly and publicly retired, the best offer was "insulting", he didn't care what teams thought he was worth, we wasn't going to play for less than what HE thought he was worth.

Operation Shutdown?
   30. Davo Malvolio Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:21 PM (#3455040)
JPWF13: It's a different sport, but that scenario is basically what happened to basketball's Latrell Sprewell.

Wikipedida:
One month into the 2005-06 season and without a contract, Sprewell's agent, Bob Gist, said his client would rather retire than play for the NBA minimum salary, telling Sports Illustrated, "Latrell doesn't need the money that badly. To go from being offered $7 million to taking $1 million, that would be a slap in the face." Several days later, Gist said that Sprewell planned to wait until "teams get desperate" around the trade deadline in February, and then sign with a contending team (an eventuality that never materialized). Gist said that Sprewell would not be interested in signing for any team's $5 million mid-level exception, calling that amount "a level beneath which [Sprewell] would not stoop or kneel!"
   31. Alex_Lewis Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:24 PM (#3455043)
One month into the 2005-06 season and without a contract, Sprewell's agent, Bob Gist, said his client would rather retire than play for the NBA minimum salary, telling Sports Illustrated, "Latrell doesn't need the money that badly. To go from being offered $7 million to taking $1 million, that would be a slap in the face." Several days later, Gist said that Sprewell planned to wait until "teams get desperate" around the trade deadline in February, and then sign with a contending team (an eventuality that never materialized). Gist said that Sprewell would not be interested in signing for any team's $5 million mid-level exception, calling that amount "a level beneath which [Sprewell] would not stoop or kneel!"


I thought he had kids to feed?

As an aside, I always thought that Spreewell got a bad rap for that remark. He had to have been kidding.
   32. Jimmy P Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:24 PM (#3455044)
he loudly and publicly retired, the best offer was "insulting", he didn't care what teams thought he was worth, we wasn't going to play for less than what HE thought he was worth.

They all talk like that during the offseason. Once those paychecks should be rolling in, though, things change.
   33. Rich Rifkin Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:25 PM (#3455045)
"He said last week on WFAN he wants $11 million for one year. Good luck."

If his Chone projections hold up, Johnny's worth more than $11 million (in WAR). Each of his last 4 seasons have been consistent in that respect. However, I have a feeling, at age 36, he's on the precipice of his end-of-career decline and won't live up to that projection. And to that end, I offer a Figgins Quatrain, sung off-key in the voice of a drunk Bob Dylan:
Your beard is thick and grown;
You're aching in the bone;
You're shriveling in your zone;
Hey man, Day-man, you gonna live up to your Chone?

Your back is all a groan;
Your seed has long been sewn;
Your kidney's full of stone;
Hey man, Day-man, you gonna live up to your Chone?

Boras won't answer your phone;
He's working for your clone;
He thinks you are a prone;
Hey man, Day-man, you gonna live up to your Chone?

The money you have blown;
Setting all the wrong tone;
Has many fans a moan;
Hey man, Day-man, you gonna live up to your Chone?
   34. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:44 PM (#3455060)
If his Chone projections hold up, Johnny's worth more than $11 million (in WAR).

That's if you accept Fangraphs' ability to properly price players. I'm not so sure.
   35. zenbitz Posted: February 05, 2010 at 11:52 PM (#3455063)
There is no way Bengie Molina is going to earn more money playing Major League Baseball than Johnny Damon will in 2010.


/Sabean acts like he's playing with Canadian dollars
/Was funnier when 1$CN = $US0.50

Torreabla just signed with Pods for $1.5. There is no way Molina is worth $3M more.
   36. It's just Steve Posted: February 06, 2010 at 12:01 AM (#3455065)
If Damon and the Yanks had an ounce of common sense and could put their egos to rest for a minute, they'd sit down at the table and go back to that 2 / 14 contract. It'd be the best for everyone concerned, with the exception of their opponents.

Given that there are no indications that any other team is offering close to this much, I think it is in the best interest of the Yankees to continue to wait. Why pay an above market rate for his age 37 (2011) season, when no one is even willing to offer as much for this coming year? Damon is backed into a corner and is looking at a deal similar to what Abreu took last season (1/5). The longer he waits... well, the longer he waits.
   37. TVerik Posted: February 06, 2010 at 12:03 AM (#3455066)
I thought he had kids to feed?

As an aside, I always thought that Spreewell got a bad rap for that remark. He had to have been kidding.


Didn't Ewing say that? If so, that's an incredibly bum rap for Spreewell.
   38. Ray (RDP) Posted: February 06, 2010 at 12:09 AM (#3455071)
Report: Damon will ‘be lucky’ to sign somewhere


Report: This 'Report' is asinine.
   39. Lassus Posted: February 06, 2010 at 12:10 AM (#3455072)
For $3 million? ####, the Red Sox should offer him that and just do whatever with him.

"No, you idiot, I said five-iron. Wait, this club isn't even clean!"
   40. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 06, 2010 at 12:25 AM (#3455079)
There was a player who's name eludes me now, decent player, not a star, but a regular for few years, around 33-35 years old, he was looking for a deal of around X dollars - his best offer was 1/2 X

he loudly and publicly retired, the best offer was "insulting", he didn't care what teams thought he was worth, we wasn't going to play for less than what HE thought he was worth.


Sort of sounds like Kenny Lofton, though you're underselling him on career accomplishments, and as I recall the issue was that no team would give him both $3M and a starting job.
   41. Leroy Kincaid Posted: February 06, 2010 at 12:27 AM (#3455080)
Cliff Floyd said after a game in which Oswalt hit or almost hit him that Roy was trying to take food out of his kids' mouths.
   42. Alex_Lewis Posted: February 06, 2010 at 12:29 AM (#3455082)
Didn't Ewing say that? If so, that's an incredibly bum rap for Spreewell.


So I read this, and was moved to inquire as to whether 'bum wrap' or 'bad wrap' is more correct. In fact, I wondered if it was some matter of person or tense totally beyond my scope of knowledge. Nope: 'bad wrap' is the current styling of 'bum wrap', which is a progression of the old usage for 'rap', a word that had badness already in its definition back when it started to be a litigious term rather than just meaning 'to strike someone'.

I'm pretty sure it was Sprewell.
   43. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: February 06, 2010 at 12:36 AM (#3455086)
Didn't Ewing say that? If so, that's an incredibly bum rap for Spreewell.

I thought Ewing's line was something like "Sure we make a lot of money but we spend a lot of money".
   44. Rich Rifkin Posted: February 06, 2010 at 12:40 AM (#3455090)
"So I read this, and was moved to inquire as to whether 'bum wrap' or 'bad wrap' is more correct."

It's rap, not wrap. The origin of the term "bad rap" is a bit interesting. It comes from the sense of rap meaning "punishment." Here is confirmation of that:
A rap on the hand with a ruler or on the pants with a rod was a common punishment in schools and at home back in the 18th century when the word rap took on the meanings of “rebuke, reprimand”. That sense of the word stuck and by the turn of the 20th century, rap had taken on the sense of a criminal charge or punishment. Taking the rap for burglary meant doing the time. By the 1940s criminal records were called rap sheets. This is how “a bad rap” or “bum rap” came to mean unfair criticism or punishment.
That said, this would be a "bad wrap."
   45. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 06, 2010 at 01:05 AM (#3455099)
Why is it than when Latrell Sprewell says it, everybody chalks it up to what a cockwad he is, but when Jimmy Kimmel says it, everybody's all, "Yeah! Suck on that, Jay Leno!"?
   46. saltyjohnson Posted: February 06, 2010 at 02:10 AM (#3455132)
This according to ESPN....He hasn't played professional basketball since turning down the $21 million extension from the Timberwolves during the 2004-05 season. He was making $14.6 million at the time.

Spreewell is also currently broke.

Whew
   47. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: February 06, 2010 at 02:26 AM (#3455139)
If Damon and the Yanks had an ounce of common sense and could put their egos to rest for a minute, they'd sit down at the table and go back to that 2 / 14 contract. It'd be the best for everyone concerned, with the exception of their opponents.

Given that there are no indications that any other team is offering close to this much, I think it is in the best interest of the Yankees to continue to wait. Why pay an above market rate for his age 37 (2011) season, when no one is even willing to offer as much for this coming year? Damon is backed into a corner and is looking at a deal similar to what Abreu took last season (1/5). The longer he waits... well, the longer he waits.


The problem with this is that we have no way of knowing whether or not "any other team is offering close to this much," or whether any other team might do so in the near future. My point is that for that Yankees, at least, Damon is** worth 2 / 14, and if some other team signs him for less just because the Yanks are playing poker, it'll turn out to have been a dumb move---and for what? To save what to the Yankees is essentially chump change. Just because the Angels happened to find Abreu sitting out there for $5 M in 2009 doesn't mean that Damon is going to be sitting out there this year come Spring Training.

**what Damon is "worth" to a team without the Yankees' financial resources (or park configuration) is not necessarily what he is worth to the Yankees. And 2 / 14 for someone with Damon's age, general good health, and recent track record is not exactly that big of a risk.
   48. YR Denies Jesus Montero Posted: February 06, 2010 at 02:34 AM (#3455141)
**what Damon is "worth" to a team without the Yankees' financial resources (or park configuration) is not necessarily what he is worth to the Yankees. And 2 / 14 for someone with Damon's age, general good health, and recent track record is not exactly that big of a risk.


I don't think it's so much a "risk" as just a bad allocation of funds. The Yankees have great hitting 1-8, why not throw a few guys at LF and see if anyone can win the job on the cheap?
   49. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 06, 2010 at 03:07 AM (#3455151)
The problem with this is that we have no way of knowing whether or not "any other team is offering close to this much," or whether any other team might do so in the near future. My point is that for that Yankees, at least, Damon is** worth 2 / 14, and if some other team signs him for less just because the Yanks are playing poker, it'll turn out to have been a dumb move---and for what? To save what to the Yankees is essentially chump change. Just because the Angels happened to find Abreu sitting out there for $5 M in 2009 doesn't mean that Damon is going to be sitting out there this year come Spring Training.

Yet they can probably get equivalent production, defense included, from Gardner and Winn.

So, where's the risk?
   50. Tripon Posted: February 06, 2010 at 03:13 AM (#3455152)

Why is it than when Latrell Sprewell says it, everybody chalks it up to what a cockwad he is, but when Jimmy Kimmel says it, everybody's all, "Yeah! Suck on that, Jay Leno!"?


Jay Leno is the bigger 'cockwad'?
   51. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: February 06, 2010 at 03:24 AM (#3455155)
I don't think it's so much a "risk" as just a bad allocation of funds. The Yankees have great hitting 1-8, why not throw a few guys at LF and see if anyone can win the job on the cheap?

Yet they can probably get equivalent production, defense included, from Gardner and Winn.

So, where's the risk?


I had to read that twice in order to believe that I read it. Much as I respect Gardner's range and love to watch him on the bases, he's a banjo hitter whose value is that of a cheap late inning defensive replacement and stolen base threat. Randy Winn's offensive numbers speak for themselves (he ain't no Nick Swisher), and his defense can't close the gap between him and Damon any more than Gardner's can.

Damon has two major disadvantages: His arm and his salary. His arm isn't that big of a factor in left field, and the Yanks can afford him. I just don't see the point of all this poker playing. Christ, you'd think that we're talking about a 5 / 50 contract with the Royals instead of 2 / 14 with the Yankees. This is all about stupid egos on both sides, and little more than that.
   52. Howie Menckel Posted: February 06, 2010 at 03:32 AM (#3455158)
"There was a player who's name eludes me now, decent player, not a star, but a regular for few years, around 33-35 years old, he was looking for a deal of around X dollars - his best offer was 1/2 X

he loudly and publicly retired, the best offer was "insulting", he didn't care what teams thought he was worth, we wasn't going to play for less than what HE thought he was worth."

Shea Hillebrand?
   53. TVerik Posted: February 06, 2010 at 03:33 AM (#3455159)
Johnny's defensive shortcomings are much deeper and more than his arm. In the last few years, he's gone from average CF to elite LF to poor LF, all in very short order. If he continues to decline defensively at the rate that he has for the entirety of his Yankee career, he'll be fighting Nick for DH ABs later in the year.

Look, generally I'd rather cut the cord on a guy early, rather than risk holding the bag for too long. If we're talking about the return of 2009 Johnny, it's a no-brainer. But that guy ain't walkin' through the door. And I'm just not all that sure that in 2011 he'll be worth a roster spot, let alone $7 million.
   54. Alex_Lewis Posted: February 06, 2010 at 04:59 AM (#3455175)
It's rap, not wrap. The origin of the term "bad rap" is a bit interesting. It comes from the sense of rap meaning "punishment."


Unbelievably, I meant to write 'rap'. I use my first post in this thread as a defense. I have no idea why I wrote 'wrap'. Just one of those things. I've had a lot of those today... Wrote 'an hundred' when I meant 'a hundred'. Ugh.

The site from which I learned whether to use 'bad' or 'bum' choose to spell out the definition more in the OED style, finding a quote from a 1540s litigator going on about how he'd 'rap out an oath', then following the changes from there.
   55. puck Posted: February 06, 2010 at 05:22 AM (#3455185)
Torrealba signed with the Pads today, somewhere around $1.5, with a mutual option for next year at $3.5.


Oops. Supposedly Torrealba and the Rockies were very close to a 2 yr $5.6M deal but Torrealba decided to look elsewhere.
   56. Rich Rifkin Posted: February 06, 2010 at 05:48 AM (#3455195)
"Johnny's defensive shortcomings are much deeper and more than his arm. In the last few years, he's gone from average CF to elite LF to poor LF, all in very short order."

There were 15 men who played a minimum of 400 innings in the American League in 2009. They fall into 4 categories, based on UZR/150. Johnny Damon is not in the worst group. Delmon Young, Carlos Quentin and Adam Lind were significantly worse. On the other hand, Damon is a lot closer to the worst than he is the best:

The Good
Carl Crawford Rays 17.5
Denard Span Twins 16.7
Juan Rivera Angels 16.6
David DeJesus Royals 15.7
Ryan Raburn Tigers 11.1
Matt Holliday Athletics 10.6

The Mediocre
David Murphy Rangers 0.6
Travis Snider Blue Jays 0.1
Scott Podsednik White Sox -5.3

The Bad
Jason Bay Red Sox LF -11.2
Johnny Damon Yankees -12.1
Nolan Reimold Orioles -17.3

The Ugly
Adam Lind Blue Jays -24.4
Carlos Quentin White Sox -25.4
Delmon Young Twins -25.6
   57. PreservedFish Posted: February 06, 2010 at 06:05 AM (#3455199)
It seems unusual that there are only three players that you can reasonably call average.
   58. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: February 06, 2010 at 06:29 AM (#3455203)
Didn't Ewing say that?

Ewing was a great player, hence he was never offered a shitty contract.


If so, that's an incredibly bum rap for Spreewell.

#### Sprewell, he deserves anything anyone says about him. Especially the #### that's true.


Spreewell is also currently broke.

Good


Jay Leno is the bigger 'cockwad'?

Bigger than Spree? Hmm. I suppose so. It's not undebatable, however.
   59. Dave Spiwak Posted: February 06, 2010 at 06:33 AM (#3455204)
Angels still need a leadoff hitter. Is the current plan really to have Eric Aybar bat 1st?
   60. TVerik Posted: February 06, 2010 at 07:08 AM (#3455214)
Thanks for the numbers, Rich. But I think the way that Johnny's defense has gotten worse is the salient point. As people age, nearly all of them trend the wrong way defensively. But it seems to me that Damon's defensive decline is steeper than most, and incredibly obvious to an everyday watcher the way defensive statistics almost never are.
   61. Chipper Jonestown Massacre Posted: February 06, 2010 at 07:11 AM (#3455216)
collusion?


That's a joke right?

What we have here is simply a player and an agent who badly misread the market and are now currently pricing themselves out of the league.

I mean, $11M???
Seriously...?
   62. Rich Rifkin Posted: February 06, 2010 at 07:29 AM (#3455222)
Erik, based on my seeing him on TV maybe a dozen games in 2009, I agree.

Fish: "It seems unusual that there are only three players that you can reasonably call average."

Maybe someone who knows UZR far better than I do could give you an informed answer to that observation, Fish, but I think it might have to do with the fact that weaker outfielders get put in LF and centerfielders tend to roam over to left-center and snag balls that are in the left fielder's zone.
   63. Jeff K. Posted: February 06, 2010 at 11:12 AM (#3455236)
Maybe someone who knows UZR far better than I do could give you an informed answer to that observation, Fish, but I think it might have to do with the fact that weaker outfielders get put in LF and centerfielders tend to roam over to left-center and snag balls that are in the left fielder's zone.

If you're using UZR/150, then the only way that that could be the cause is if a number of CFers do this significantly more than others, as if they all do it a lot/some/none, then the expected outs for LF would reflect and therefore not change anything. Even if some do it considerably more than others, it wouldn't be all in-zone LF balls (and given this is BIS zones, keep in mind that OF zones are figured each year with in-zone being >50%) that create an effect. Only in-zone LF balls caught by the CF that would have otherwise been caught by that LF are going to be moving numbers.

I think it's more easily explained by the first part of your answer plus some. Left field is manned by outfielders who can't play center and without the arm to play right. The key is why they can't play center, which will either be because they're slow or get terrible jumps (they're bad) or because their team has a better guy for center. In the latter case, they're average/good CFers moved left on the defensive spectrum. There's your dichotomy.
   64. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: February 06, 2010 at 12:15 PM (#3455243)
I mean, $11M???
Seriously...?


I guess this is crazy but look at what Abreu got when he reupped at the end of the season.

Damon, it turns out, was done in by the Granderson trade. If that's not made and the Yanks aren't able to get Cameron either, the Yanks are probably a lot more desperate for Damon. It seems that Boras and Damon misread how much leverage they lost when the Yanks picked up Granderson.
   65. KronicFatigue Posted: February 06, 2010 at 03:52 PM (#3455285)
Boras not only read the market correctly, he helped shape it. He just knew that 10% of Holliday > 10% of Damon, and acted accordingly.

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