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Friday, May 18, 2012

Report: Kerry Wood to retire

Another Wood that doesn’t float…

Cubs reliever Kerry Wood will retired today, Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago.com tweets.

Wood, 34, was 0-2 with an 8.64 ERA in nine appearances so far this season. In 8 1/3 innings, he had allowed eight runs (all earned) on eight hits and 11 walks with just five strikeouts.

The fourth overall pick of the 1995 draft and 1998 Rookie of the Year will retire with a career record of 86-75 with a 3.67 ERA and 63 saves. Once a dominant starter, Wood reinvented himself as a reliever after arm troubles.

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   1. Cowboy Popup Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM (#4134785)
A sad way to go out for a guy who once had an unlimited ceiling. His 20 K game against a deep Astros lineup is the most rewatchable baseball game I have ever seen.
   2. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM (#4134788)
In eulogizing his career people will insist on considering Wood disappointing because of that 20 strikeout game and subsequent failure to become Roger Clemens.

He was really an excellent pitcher for a long time and a big part of some of the best Cubs teams of the past thirty years. He will be missed.
   3. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM (#4134798)
One of the more recent things I've noticed in sports is how ridiculously talented athletes can not just make world class opponents look lousy, that can actually make them play lousy.

Leo Messi for example is wonderfully gifted, but often I see defenders do some of the dumbest things on Earth when trying to defend him, things they'd never dare consider if it was Chris Wondolowski coming at them. He's so good that they start to just guess at what it is they're supposed to do and that takes Messi's play from great to ridiculous.

I mention this here because that's what happened to the Astros that day. While Wood's stuff was obscene that day, the Astros went into full meltdown and started to just actively suck all on their own. After the first 10 Ks or so, you could have put me out there in disguise and I could have gotten at least four more strikeouts. They were that beaten.
   4. Cowboy Popup Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:32 AM (#4134803)
They were that beaten.

Yeah, I think the last swinging strike of the game was like a foot outside of the zone.
   5. Shooty is in the Trust Tree Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:35 AM (#4134808)
He was great when he was great. Vaya con dios, Kerry.
   6. AROM Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM (#4134816)
I mention this here because that's what happened to the Astros that day. While Wood's stuff was obscene that day, the Astros went into full meltdown and started to just actively suck all on their own. After the first 10 Ks or so, you could have put me out there in disguise and I could have gotten at least four more strikeouts. They were that beaten.


This made me think of Barry Bonds, and with him it's even more obviously true. After 2001 anybody who could pull off being a Barry Bonds look-a-like could have gone to the plate and drawn 3 walks per game.
   7. Charles S., annoyingly insightful Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM (#4134819)
Several times this year, I've yelled with frustration, "Why don't you just retire already?" I never thought he'd actually do it.

Thanks, Kerry, for all the great memories. You fought through injuries with class and dignity. Too bad you couldn't go out on a better note, but no one will ever forget May 6, 1998.
   8. Mike Webber Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:42 AM (#4134821)
4th overall Pick in the MLB Draft sorted by WAR

Wood was the 8th best #4 overall pick by WAR, which I think will be a Chris Jaffe column next week.
   9. UCCF Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM (#4134826)
Wood was the 8th best #4 overall pick by WAR, which I think will be a Chris Jaffe column next week.

The most shocking thing to me from that list: Cory Snyder ended up with a negative overall career WAR, and over 6 total WAR less than Mike Harkey (who I will always think of as just another of the Cub draft busts).

#4 picks have done pretty well for themselves - 2 HoFers, a third who should be (Brown), and Munson, who would have had an interesting case given a normal career length.
   10. Andere Richtingen Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:52 AM (#4134832)
Pointed out by Dewey in the Lounge:

Wood will always be remembered for the 20K game, but perhaps this was his gutsiest performance.
   11. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:59 AM (#4134844)
Surprised that he's pulling the plug immediately, but it's probably for the best. He's looked just awful in every outing this season.

I still remember being at my Grandma's house one Sunday afternoon and turning on the TV as the Cubs were getting set to face the Montreal Expos. The announcers seemed quite excited about that day's starting pitcher for the Cubs, a young kid making his Major League debut.

His career didn't pan out the way any of us envisioned it, but you have to be impressed with a guy who was so determined to make the North Side of Chicago his baseball home.
   12. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4134853)
Wood will always be remembered for the 20K game, but perhaps this was his gutsiest performance.


His homer in that game is one of my fondest memories as a Cubs fan. Talk about a crowd becoming unglued.
   13. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4134862)
#2 has a very good point, Woods was an objectively very good pitcher. That he got injured shouldn't take anything away from his very real accomplishments.
   14. Hack Wilson Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4134867)
This is his gutsiest day: in June 1995 Wood threw 29 pitches in two innings just 30 minutes after he had thrown 146 pitches to win a high school state tournament game.
   15. UCCF Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4134868)
His homer in that game is one of my fondest memories as a Cubs fan. Talk about a crowd becoming unglued.

Oh yeah. That was the brief moment where I really thought they could put Game 6 behind them and get past the Marlins.

It was a gutty performance, no doubt, really his last hurrah. He struck out 297 batters in 2003 (between the regular season and post season), and put up his best season by WAR in his career. At 26, it looked for the world like he might have come past the arm problems and could be on his way to being the #1 starter type everyone hoped he would be.

After 2003, he never again threw even 150 innings in a season. It all fell apart so quickly, for him and the Cubs.
   16. UCCF Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4134876)
#2 has a very good point, Wood was an objectively very good pitcher. That he got injured shouldn't take anything away from his very real accomplishments.

It's true, but you can't help but wonder what if. If Wood retires today, he and Mark Prior will have combined to win 128 games in the major leagues. Jon Garland (former Cub giveaway for the execrable Matt Karchner) won 132. The world's slowest Cub, Steve Trachsel, won 143. Carlos Zambrano has won 126, and counting.
   17. Dag Nabbit has the talking pillow Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4134879)
Wood was the 8th best #4 overall pick by WAR, which I think will be a Chris Jaffe column next week.

Not really. I do plan doing a Kerry Wood career highlights thing, though.
   18. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:25 AM (#4134884)
It was a gutty performance, no doubt, really his last hurrah. He struck out 297 batters in 2003 (between the regular season and post season), and put up his best season by WAR in his career. At 26, it looked for the world like he might have come past the arm problems and could be on his way to being the #1 starter type everyone hoped he would be.

After 2003, he never again threw even 150 innings in a season. It all fell apart so quickly, for him and the Cubs.


In retrospect, that entire 2003 postseason was one last hurrah for Wood. I didn't think the Cubs would take even one game from the Braves in the DS. Wood quickly put that to rest with a great outing (and that nifty spinning nab with the glove of the ball hit back up the middle), and really, until that Game 7 against the Marlins, it seemed like Wood got that big strikeout every time he was in need of it.

But like you said, it quickly fell apart, as it seemed like the next three seasons were a chronic "Kerry Wood and/or Mark Prior are hoping to be back by X."
   19. Brian C Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:27 AM (#4134886)
His homer in that game is one of my fondest memories as a Cubs fan.

Same here. At that moment, I really thought that, despite everything, it must be their year. Didn't work out that way, of course, but if you judge moments by how they felt as they happened, and not by what came after, I don't think anything tops that for me.

(Probably #2 on the list was when I was 10, and saw Ryne Sandberg hit a homerun in person for the first time.)

I didn't see the 20K game as it happened, as I didn't get WGN in those days. I remember watching Headline News, though - back in those days they gave sports highlights every half-hour - and hearing that it happened. Mind-boggling, that this kid, who had just been called up a few weeks earlier and had seemed overwhelmed to that point, could pitch a game like that. I wasn't really used to seeing Cubs' players do remarkable things like that - little did any of us know at that time what that summer held (amusing to note that Sosa only had 7 HR to that point of the season).

What I hadn't remembered until I looked it up just now, was that Wood's game prior to the 20K game was pretty good, too: 7 IP, 1 R, 2 BB, 9 K.

Anyway, I got to see Wood in person for the first time later that season, and was happy to see him pitch extremely well. That's a good memory, too, that day.
   20. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM (#4134892)
I feel as though it's only right that the only time I saw Wood pitch in person was a game he left after three innings with an injury.
   21. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:37 AM (#4134896)
Wow, only two HoF'ers and one borderline guy (Brown) were picked #4 since 1965. That seems low... except that there's NO HoF picked #5, the best by WAR is Doc Gooden.
   22. Moses Taylor peacocks peacock Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4134901)
There was a lot to enjoy, and a lot to be disappointed by. He's a Cubs lifer now, so he'll be around but just not on the field anymore.
   23. base ball chick Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4134903)
3. Voros McCracken, Human Shield Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM (#4134798)
One of the more recent things I've noticed in sports is how ridiculously talented athletes can not just make world class opponents look lousy, that can actually make them play lousy.

Leo Messi for example is wonderfully gifted, but often I see defenders do some of the dumbest things on Earth when trying to defend him, things they'd never dare consider if it was Chris Wondolowski coming at them. He's so good that they start to just guess at what it is they're supposed to do and that takes Messi's play from great to ridiculous.

I mention this here because that's what happened to the Astros that day. While Wood's stuff was obscene that day, the Astros went into full meltdown and started to just actively suck all on their own. After the first 10 Ks or so, you could have put me out there in disguise and I could have gotten at least four more strikeouts. They were that beaten.


- yeah, i've seen teams (with MY team you see that a LOT these past few years) just get that - there is no WAY we're gonna hit this guy - look and they LOOK defeated

one of the reasons i was so FURIOUS with the astros manager for pulling wandy rodriguez from his last start after 8 innings/92 pitches when the opposition hadn't touched him at ALL for 4+ innings and just looked like they wanted to go home.

they had completely new life when wandy got pulled and whaddaya know, they won

- and what in the name of holy eff is a leo messie?
   24. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:47 AM (#4134907)
and what in the name of holy eff is a leo messie?


Really, you wanna ask about Messi and not Wondolowski? (Messi is the best soccer player in captivity, Wondo is a soccer player).
   25. Arch Stanton Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4134910)
I had a crappy job (but a nice boss) in 1998, and I actually went and told my boss after the 6th inning that I was off the clock until the end of the game...since he was a baseball fan, I explained the situation to him and he understood. Thanks, John.

And thanks, Kerry. I got married in a Kerry Wood jersey because I had always sworn I'd wear a Cubs jersey on my wedding day. (My wife, in keeping with the odd theme of our wedding, wore all black.) I've never loved a Cub as much as Kerry, and I can't imagine I ever will again.
   26. Brian C Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4134916)
I got to see him start several times, though I don't remember the exact dates for most of them, since I got to see the Cubs in Houston quite a bit in the early 2000s when he was mostly healthy. I think every time I saw him start was against Houston except once against the Royals. That 1998 game I linked to was the best.

As odd as it sounds, one of my enduring memories of seeing him pitch was seeing Jeff Bagwell hit a popup against him that was the highest I think I've ever seen. The MMP roof was closed that night, and the ball went straight up over the plate, and went between the rafters hanging from the roof - it would have hit one of them if it had been on line. The ball was spinning so much that it appeared to wobble suspended in the air for a moment at its highest point, like it was fighting to keep going.

Just one of those weird things that stands out in the mind.
   27. Best Regards, L.M. Posted: May 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM (#4134933)
Doesn't he have a hole in his heart? I remember hearing in 1999 that he had a hole that needed to be surgically repaired before he was 40, but that it could wait until he retired. But that's the only time I ever heard about it.
   28. BourbonSamurai, vassal of the Harpsburg Empire Posted: May 18, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4134935)
That's a shame. I remember watching that 20 strikeout game in, yes, my mom's basement.

Living in Chicago in 2003 was a hell of a thing. An amazing sports memory.
   29. Kiko Sakata Posted: May 18, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4134947)
Sad to see him go. I'll echo others on Kerry's HR against the Marlins being my fondest memory of him - perhaps my fondest memory of the Cubs, period.
   30. Slivers of Maranville (SdeB) Posted: May 18, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4134956)

This is his gutsiest day: in June 1995 Wood threw 29 pitches in two innings just 30 minutes after he had thrown 146 pitches to win a high school state tournament game.


I'm sure Dusty Baker got the blame for that.
   31. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: May 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM (#4134976)
I watched the 20K game in my home office, and got very little work done that day. Saw him live for the 3rd game of the playoffs in '98 (where he had just barely come back from surgery and was only throwing fastballs), and saw him live picking up a win a year or two later.

Sorry to see you go, Kerry. Always thought you were awesome.
   32. GregD Posted: May 18, 2012 at 12:38 PM (#4134982)
Interesting to me that he made $70 million--guys who get hurt early always risk ending up way underpayed over their careers but managed to turn his okay 2007 and strong 2008 into an extra $26 million. Making twice as much in that last stretch than Mark Prior made in his entire career
   33. gef the talking mongoose Posted: May 18, 2012 at 12:44 PM (#4134990)
I'm sure Dusty Baker got the blame for that.


This works nicely as a comment on #27 as well.
   34. VoodooR Posted: May 18, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4134994)
Most people around here probably know this, but it's still worth mentioning that his 20K game is the highest game score of all time (105, I believe). He gave up only one hit that day (a seeing eye ground ball under the glove of Kevin Orie that could have been ruled an error) and walked nobody. I'm biased, but I'm with game score on this one, that was the most dominating pitching performance of all time.

I echo some of the sentiments above from Cubs fans noting the significance of the home run he hit in G7 2003. Unbelievable feeling at the time. (A similar moment from the same series that was washed away by the the final outcome, was in Game 1 when Sosa tied the game with a bottom of the ninth -- two out? -- two run home run).

Can't wait to see the ovation for him today (if today is the day).
   35. Sweet Posted: May 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4134998)
In June 1998, I drove out to a wedding in Chicago with a girl from college I knew a little bit. I had two tickets to that night's game and asked her to come along. We sat right behind home plate. Gorgeous night. Sammy hit two. Kerry hit his first. We hit it off.

The girl is now my wife. And Kerry was our favorite player. We'll miss you, kid.

   36. Slivers of Maranville (SdeB) Posted: May 18, 2012 at 12:57 PM (#4135000)
The HR in Game 7 was nice, but I knew from the get-go that the Cubs were dead, and that play didn't change that.
   37. Arnett Mead (Arjun) Posted: May 18, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4135002)
This game (yes, the Hee Seop Choi collision game) is the most enduring Kerry Wood memory I have seen in person. One of my favorite players (I've rewatched the 20-K game several times and, like everyone has mentioned above, the 2003 postseason HR was an amazing highlight emotionally). Just sad to see him go (if he's actually retiring). It's understandable, though. Every time I've seen him this year (including in person versus the Braves in a game where he got the loss) he's looked amazingly hittable. It's just a pity, for a pitcher who was loved by this city the way we loved him.

EDIT:
Living in Chicago in 2003 was a hell of a thing. An amazing sports memory.

Yeah, it really was.
   38. Hack Wilson Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4135006)
Geovany Soto likely to DL. Yes I blame Dusty!
   39. baudib Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4135011)
Cool thread. Amazing lack of snark.
   40. Brian C Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4135013)
EDIT: moved comments to different thread
   41. SouthSideRyan Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:11 PM (#4135017)
The HR in Game 7 was nice, but I knew from the get-go that the Cubs were dead, and that play didn't change that.


I pity you.
   42. BourbonSamurai, vassal of the Harpsburg Empire Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4135019)
Reposting from the lounge since it was Kerry Wood that made think of this

Kerry Wood retiring got me thinking of this- what are my ten favorite individual teams of my sports fan life? My favorite teams to follow probably look something like this:

1. 1991 Redskins
2. 1989 A’s
3. 2002 A’s
4. 1987 Redskins
5. 2003 Cubs
6. 2000 Northwestern Football
7. 1992 A’s
8. 1998 Capitols
9. 2007 Redskins
10. 1999 A’s

I'm not a Cubs fan but I lived in Chicago from 1999-2004 and that Cubs team was wonderful fun.
2003 was a wonderful time to be a baseball fan in Chicago. The atmosphere was incredible.
   43. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4135028)
Most people around here probably know this, but it's still worth mentioning that his 20K game is the highest game score of all time (105, I believe).


To nit pick a little, it's the highest ever game score for a 9 inning game, 39th-highest if you include extra inning games. The highest of all time is Brooklyn's Joe Oeschger's 153 in a 26 inning, 1-1 tie, May 1, 1920. The Boston Braves' Leon Cadore put up a 140 (second-best ever) in the same game. Brooklyn's Charlie Pick went 0-11, which is also a record.

Edit: Cadore has the record for batters faced, with 96; Oeschger's 90 is second. All this is 1918 and later records only, of course.
   44. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:27 PM (#4135035)
Leo Messi is the Michael Jordan of his sport, only maybe a little better than that. I became a soccer fan relatively late in life, but even though Messi is a month away from his 25th birthday, I feel privileged to be able to say I've gotten to see his whole wonderful career, just like someone who remembers Ted Williams in 1939. He's that good.

He also looks exactly like Steve Perry from Journey.

2003 was the strangest of years for me. I was a Cub fan most of my life (the "Sandberg game" in '84 against Sutter is a big baseball memory), and here they were having their most epic meltdown in my lifetime, and my apathy was off the charts. Of course I was having my own meltdown on the other side of the league with a team I had cared about for less than a year...

It is odd that if you told me when I was 13 that I would have won a World Series by the time I was 40 and the Cubs wouldn't have, I would have been awfully confused.
   45. Transmission Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:27 PM (#4135037)
I have a DVD of the Wood 20 K game. Watching it now. The first pitch of the game is a fastball with sick movement on it. The catcher, Sandy Martinez, doesn't get a glove on it even though it's almost a strike, and it hits the umpire on his face mask. Just sick...
   46. SteveM. Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4135039)
Damn, My favorite Cub since Ryne Sandberg. Its been painful this year but in the good will outweigh the bad in my memory.
   47. zenbitz Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4135044)
Wow, Buster Posey already has the 10th highest war for a #5 pick. 9th highest? Matt Weiters. WAR here only goes back to 1980 though.
   48. JRVJ Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4135050)
The girl is now my wife
For comic book fans, this reminds me of one of the most terrifying and yet tender lines I've read: "You're always that girl to me". (from The Chained Coffin, an early Hellboy short story).

As to Leo Messi, I'm a Barca fan (have been for almost 10 years), and have also seen Leo play. He was a hair off for a crucial two week period a month ago (Chelsea - Real Madrid - Chelsea), but I just think the kid is tired. Next year he will go back to his Olympian heights. And while he does look like Steve Perry, he is also about 4'10" (*), so make the proper allowances for height discrepancies.

(*) Yes, I know he's not really 4'10". It's called humor.
   49. Slivers of Maranville (SdeB) Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4135053)

I pity you.


Don't. My theory of sports karma dictates that for every team I root for that crashes and burns, another wins a championship (or at least does very well). The Patriots won in 2003 (and 2004), which balances out the Cubs woes. Had the Cubs won, the Patriots would have lost.
   50. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4135058)
The thing about Wood was that ultimately even when healthy he had significant flaws as a pitcher. He was unlike Prior in that way: too many walks, way too many pitches up in the zone, couldn't really throw that breaking pitch for a strike (it's effectiveness was that he threw it so hard, it was hard to lay off). Even if his arm holds up forever, his best case scenario is probably not an inner-circle HOF guy (a standard HOFer maybe).

It's also worth noting that the 2003 Cubs had the worst record of the 8 playoff teams that year and managed to sneak by a far superior team in the first round.

Interestingly, the team that started the 1988 season is probably the most talented Cubs team of my conscious lifetime (I was alive in 1972 but an infant).

Mark Grace - 24
Ryne Sandberg - 28
Shawon Dunston - 25
Rafael Palmeiro - 23
Dave Martinez - 23
Darren Jackson - 24
Greg Maddux - 22
Jamie Moyer - 25
Bob Tewksbury - 27

There's a lot of remaining WAR from 1989 onward for those guys, double digits for every one. They lost 85 games.
   51. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:48 PM (#4135059)
Kerry Wood retiring got me thinking of this- what are my ten favorite individual teams of my sports fan life? My favorite teams to follow probably look something like this:


1. 2002 Angels
2. 1987 Lakers
3. 1991 Lakers
4. 1995 Angels (They broke-a my heart, and won me forever.)
5. 2009 Angels
6. 2011 Lakers
7. 2000 Lakers
8. 2005 Angels
9. 2004 Angels
10. 1992 Cowboys (Don't judge me.)
   52. VoodooR Posted: May 18, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4135069)
Interestingly, the team that started the 1988 season is probably the most talented Cubs team of my conscious lifetime (I was alive in 1972 but an infant).


I just finished replaying that season with OOTP13. We lost 92 games.
   53. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: May 18, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4135079)
Kerry Wood retiring got me thinking of this- what are my ten favorite individual teams of my sports fan life? My favorite teams to follow probably look something like this:


1. 1999 Knicks
2. 1994 Knicks
3. 2005 Mets
4. 1999 Mets
5. 2000 Mets
6. 2006 Mets
7. 1997 Knicks
8. 2002 Jets
9. 2012 Knicks
10. 2012 Mets

If other "sports" were included, Shawn Michaels' '92, '95, '97, '02, '07, and '09 runs were incredible.
   54. Flynn Posted: May 18, 2012 at 02:15 PM (#4135086)
For anybody who is an MLB.TV subscriber and wants to rewatch the 20K game, there is a section very well hidden away on MLB's website that you can only reach by Google called Baseball's Best. It's not the video highlights package on the front page, but rather complete original broadcasts on TV or radio of games through the decades. The 20K game is there as well as the DS clincher vs. the Braves in 2003, which is probably as good as it gets for most Cub fans. The quality is not very good by today's standards, since they basically stopped updating the thing 8-9 years ago, but it's plenty watchable. I think I'll treat myself to that 20K game right now.

His home run vs. the Marlins in Game 7 was one of the most shocking moments in my baseball life. I was certain they'd pull it out after that. That was a great postseason, and we got the matchup nobody wanted. Boo hiss.

Also:

1. '04 Red Sox
2. '10 Giants
3. '08 Celtics
4. '98 Arsenal
5. '02 Arsenal
6. '06 Arsenal (CL final team, last ever Highbury team and the last year of Bergkamp and Pires)
7. '94 49ers
8. '93 Canadiens
9. '93 Giants
10. '05 Wales rugby team that won their first Six Nations (Euro championship) in 27 years

11 would be the '10 Celtics that fought like lions vs. the Lakers.

   55. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: May 18, 2012 at 02:24 PM (#4135090)
I just finished replaying that season with OOTP13. We lost 92 games.

It was probably the most optimistic I ever was as a Cubs fan, even after the season. Walton and Smith both had big years in the minors, Maddux and Moyer both looked like great young pitchers, Palmeiro was a big time prospect and Grace looked legit too, plus Sandberg was still quite young. I don't think I was as bullish on Harkey as the Cubs were though.

Moyer and Palmeiro got traded, Walton got rushed for no good reason (a mistake they doubled down on with Gary Scott), Smith was a good hitter but couldn't really field despite his speed and Grace inexplicably never developed any more power, even when the rest of the league developed a ton. When Maddux put every last piece together, he was gone a year later. Tewksbury was dumped onto the minor league free agent market. Dunston's glove regressed as his hitting improved and then was beset by injuries.

1992 probably could have been the Cubs year had different moves been made as that 1988 team transferred to 1992 looks like a pretty good team. Even Moyer was pitching well though not in the majors.
   56. Cabbage Posted: May 18, 2012 at 02:26 PM (#4135095)
And so I say goodbye to the man who brought me back to baseball. When the Cubs won the division in '89, I was six. I loved baseball until the strike. Still too young to care about greed, baseball's absence was replaced by Michael Jordan, the Bears and a Sega. I didn't care at all until I caught the 20-K highlights on the evening news. By coincidence, I'd just leaned about the physics of a curveball. So to turn around and see what was probably the most impressive single display of the Magnus effect in the history of recorded civilization was something magical. It was always Kerry Wood at the center of my little meaningless Cubs universe. Sure, there was Sammy, Prior, Z, and Alex "I pick lousy times to miff grounders" Gonzalez, but my fandom began and ended with Kerry.

He never became one of the Greats, but he did something great. And we'll always love him for that. Baseball, as always, remains an icon of of the human experience. People are young and old, they try and succeed and fail. Life rolls onward. So it went with Kerry Wood. A talent that exploded among the unexpecting like a young Alexander. We all know how the rest of his career went. The strikeouts, the injuries, 2003, and the past few weeks. He never became Nolan Ryan, but he was Gordo Cooper. An unbelievable talent that flashed to the height of heights. We wanted him to hold us there for a generation, but time went on and what must pass passed.

All morning, I keep remembering the end of Tom Wolfe's book: The Mercury program was over. Four years later, astronaut Gus Grissom was killed, along with astronauts White and Chaffee, when fire swept through their Apollo capsule. But on that glorious day in May 1963, Gordo Cooper went higher, farther, and faster than any other American - 22 complete orbits around the world; he was the last American ever to go into space alone. And for a brief moment, Gordo Cooper became the greatest pilot anyone had ever seen.
   57. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 18, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4135106)
1. 1986 Red Sox
2. 2004 Red Sox
3. 2007 Red Sox
4. 1986 Celtics
5. 1990 Red Sox
6. 1984 Dolphins
7. 2003 Red Sox
8. 1978 Red Sox
9. 1999 Red Sox
10. 2011 Bruins

Top five teams I had no real rooting interest for;

1. 1980 Astros - I was on the Astros in Little League and they had that crazy pitching staff; Ryan, Richard and played that great playoff series
2. 1997 Red Wings - My roommate had promised to buy a keg if his Wings won the cup.
3. 1991 Twins - My entire dorm was obsessed with the "worst to first" Braves and me and one other guy were perplexed that the similar Twins got no love.
4. 2006 Tigers - Always loved the Tigers of the 80s and it was great to see a great baseball town rebound
5. 1984 Mets - Dr. K, Strawberry,...what else you need?
   58. McCoy Wilfong for Money Posted: May 18, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4135110)
Game 7 may have been gutsy but Dusty was absolutely stupid to keep going back to him like he did.

I would say his gutsiest performance was in the 1998 playoffs when he was basically already broke but he went out there anyway and gave the Cubs 5 innings of 1 run ball in an attempt to keep the Cubs alive for one more game.
   59. SouthSideRyan Posted: May 18, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4135114)
2005 Illini
2008 Cubs
2003 Cubs
1998 Cubs
1993 Notre Dame Football
2007 Cubs
1995 Cubs
2010 Blackhawks
2008 Celtics
2004 Cubs

If you're going to go with a wrestler's year, then it's Kurt Angle 2001 or Chris Jericho 1998
   60. zonk Posted: May 18, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4135122)
Pointed out by Dewey in the Lounge:

Wood will always be remembered for the 20K game, but perhaps this was his gutsiest performance.


Lemme echo my fond farewell to Kerry -- seems like just yesterday, after a friend's wedding in the summer of 1998 -- we jumped to the front of long line to get into Jilly's by passing off one of our crew as Kerry Wood (he bore a passing resemblance)... got a roped off VIP table, he actually signed several autographs, and it was generally as an enjoyable a night as many of Kerry's starts were.

I will say -- I had no hope in the 2003 playoff game, even after the Wood homer. He just had nothing and Dusty had already proven his ineptitude at managing the pitching.

For gutsy performances, I'll still take Sutcliffe's in '89 -- he had a bad arm, the announcers spent the whole game talking about how he was about to get lit up, but he still tossed 6 solid innings with nothing but guile...

For me - Kerry will always be the 20 K game. I wish I had seen it in person - I only caught the last few innings on TV, but I agree with Voros... The Astros looked like little leaguers at the end. I didn't see the scratch IF single until later replays of the game - but I remember being shocked that anyone would have been able to get a hit off that stuff.

I've seen vintage Pedro, vintage Big Unit, plenty of Clemens, some fine Maddux, etc --- but in a single game, that was the most dominant I have ever seen a pitcher throw. I think he'd have shut down the '27 Yankees with the stuff he had going that game.
   61. Comic Strip Person Posted: May 18, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4135133)
I went to the Cubs-Astros game on May 5, 1998; I bought tickets from a guy on rec.sport.baseball (or maybe the Cubs group) right behind home plate, about 8 rows up. Best ticket I've ever had. Watched the Cubs play badly and lose to Jose Lima. The guy with the tickets had offered me May 6 as well, but I had a class I was supposed to teach that morning, so I said no.
Went to my class Wednesday morning, and only 3 people showed up. We had an abbreviated session, then I went home to make lunch and watch the start of the game. I never left the couch.
What I remember about the one cheap hit the Astros got was that Kevin Orie ended the previous half-inning looking really bad on a strikeout, and when the ball went through him at third, I thought that he still looked like he was thinking about his at bat.

I never did like that Wednesday class after that.
   62. Cabbage Posted: May 18, 2012 at 03:04 PM (#4135136)
Pat Hughes just said that Wood plans to make one final appearance over this weekend, and then retire. For non-chicagoans, realize that its Cubs/Sox weekend.

Wood brought out the lineup card.
   63. Shock Posted: May 18, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4135142)
Kerry Wood's 20 strikeouts. The last two are hilarious.
   64. SouthSideRyan Posted: May 18, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4135152)
I'm sorry, but those of you who are claiming you knew the game was over even after the Wood HR are either lying, or just silly silly people. The 2 innings that followed that had the Cubs take a 5-3 lead, and had Wood pitch 2 scoreless with 3 ground outs, 1 fly out, 1 walk, and 2 Ks.
   65. zonk Posted: May 18, 2012 at 03:33 PM (#4135166)
I'm sorry, but those of you who are claiming you knew the game was over even after the Wood HR are either lying, or just silly silly people. The 2 innings that followed that had the Cubs take a 5-3 lead, and had Wood pitch 2 scoreless with 3 ground outs, 1 fly out, 1 walk, and 2 Ks.


I knew the series was over after the Gonzo boot... but I've made my thoughts on this known before and was heckled about it, so that's all I'll say.
   66. mex4173 Posted: May 18, 2012 at 03:33 PM (#4135168)
1. 2010 Blue Jays
2. 2011 Blue Jays
3. '95-'96 Winnipeg Jets
4. 2002 Canadian Men's Olympic Hockey Team
5. '94-'95 Winninpeg Jets
6. 2006 Colts
7. 1997 Blue Jays
8. 2003 Blue Jays
9. 1996 Blue Jays
10. 2000-2001 Red Deer Rebels/'03-'04 Calgary Flames
   67. McCoy Wilfong for Money Posted: May 18, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4135170)
I'm sorry, but those of you who are claiming you knew the game was over even after the Wood HR are either lying, or just silly silly people. The 2 innings that followed that had the Cubs take a 5-3 lead, and had Wood pitch 2 scoreless with 3 ground outs, 1 fly out, 1 walk, and 2 Ks.

I'm not claiming it, nor saying you are saying that I am saying it, but Kerry didn't have anthing in that game and he was walking on a razor's edge from the beginning of the game to the time he left. I was yelling at the screen at Dusty from the first inning on that he should have taken Kerry out. When Kerry hit the homer I said great, now pull'em. You've gotten lucky but don't keep pushing it.
   68. The Non-Catching Molina (sjs1959) Posted: May 18, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4135196)
56, that was outstanding. I always wondered how he would have done if he'd had better mechanics.

My favorites:

1. 1985 Bears
2. 1972 Lakers
3. 2005 White Sox
4. 2011 Grizzlies
5. 1967 Cardinals
6. 1970 Orioles
7. 2005 Chelsea, when I really got into the Premier League
8. 1991 Bulls
9. 2010 BlackHawks
10. 1998 Bulls, the end of an era
   69. Slivers of Maranville (SdeB) Posted: May 18, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4135199)
I knew the series was over after the Gonzo boot... but I've made my thoughts on this known before and was heckled about it, so that's all I'll say.


Ditto.
   70. Enrico Pallazzo Posted: May 18, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4135201)
3. Voros McCracken, Human Shield Posted: May 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM (#4134798)
One of the more recent things I've noticed in sports is how ridiculously talented athletes can not just make world class opponents look lousy, that can actually make them play lousy.

Leo Messi for example is wonderfully gifted, but often I see defenders do some of the dumbest things on Earth when trying to defend him, things they'd never dare consider if it was Chris Wondolowski coming at them. He's so good that they start to just guess at what it is they're supposed to do and that takes Messi's play from great to ridiculous.

I mention this here because that's what happened to the Astros that day. While Wood's stuff was obscene that day, the Astros went into full meltdown and started to just actively suck all on their own. After the first 10 Ks or so, you could have put me out there in disguise and I could have gotten at least four more strikeouts. They were that beaten.


Ever watched Gretzky or Lemieux in their primes?
   71. McCoy Wilfong for Money Posted: May 18, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4135210)
1998 was a special year for me as well. As a kid I didn't follow pro ball all that much. I liked playing it a lot more and collecting cards as well. The start of the 90's so baseball cards kill themselves, the Cubs suck, me grow up, and all of that made not really pay much attention to pro ball. Then in 1998 after a few years living on my own in a distant city the Cubs got good and Al Gore had invented this new fangled series of tubes that allowed one to follow teams regardless of where one lived. So Sammy Sosa, Kevin Tapani, Gary Gaetti, and Kerry Wood got me interested in pro ball for the first time and I've been watching it ever since.
You bastard, Kerry.
   72. Don't want the truth; just wanna see some dingers Posted: May 18, 2012 at 04:02 PM (#4135220)
My favorite teams:

*The 1993 Charlotte Hornets, making the playoffs for the first time. Beating the Celtics in Round 1.
*2004 Braves - I'd just moved to Atlanta. The team lost Sheffield and Maddux and still won 101 games with Jaret Wright and Russ Ortiz as the top starters; Playoffs included my favorite in-person baseball moment ever
*Any number of Duke basketball teams; 2002 was probably my favorite, despite being eliminated early when Jay Williams bricked a free throw against Indiana. The 2010 title team was also a pleasant surprise after several more deserving Duke teams came up short.
   73. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: May 18, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4135228)
Ever watched Gretzky or Lemieux in their primes?

Well I had always got conceptually the idea of a great player making good defenders look foolish, but I've only recently come around to this idea of a player's reputation of greatness causing good defenders to act foolish all by themselves with little prodding.

And no, hockey has never really been my thing.
   74. Kiko Sakata Posted: May 18, 2012 at 04:27 PM (#4135262)
Wood just came into the game for probably the last time ever.

EDIT: Kerry Wood just struck out the last batter he'll probably ever face (Dayan Viciedo).
   75. slothinator Posted: May 18, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4135278)
Wood just came into the game for probably the last time ever.

EDIT: Kerry Wood just struck out the last batter he'll probably ever face (Dayan Viciedo).


So ticked to be stuck at work and missing this; at least I can semi-follow the game online.

Please tell me he went out to the largest standing ovation imaginable; I can't wait to get home and see it for myself.
   76. Fred Garvin is dead and Joe Biden is alive Posted: May 18, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4135280)
I'm sad he's retiring, but he couldn't have gone out in a better way - with a K, for Klass.
   77. Kiko Sakata Posted: May 18, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4135285)
Please tell me he went out to the largest standing ovation imaginable; I can't wait to get home and see it for myself.


Yes. WGN didn't go to commercial for the pitching change (Wood's K was the 2nd out of the inning) and the ovation lasted through what would have been the entire commercial break. Wood took a curtain call and hugged everybody in the dugout. Very nice moment, and well deserved.
   78. The Non-Catching Molina (sjs1959) Posted: May 18, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4135307)
   79. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 18, 2012 at 05:00 PM (#4135317)
Ever watched Gretzky or Lemieux in their primes?

I once saw Wayne Gretzky get challenged by a defender in mid-ice, at which point he reversed and started skating backwards. Then, while being directly pursued by said defender, Gretzky widened the space between them. While going backwards. And while still controlling the puck. It wasn't a scoring play, but it knocked me out.
   80. slothinator Posted: May 18, 2012 at 05:03 PM (#4135320)
Deadspin with the video


For the first time in my life, I am very glad I have severe allergies.....

No one walking by my desk will think I'm crying.
   81. The Non-Catching Molina (sjs1959) Posted: May 18, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4135323)
And how sadly appropriate is it that the Cubs lost to the Sox in his final game? Sigh.....
   82. joker24 Posted: May 18, 2012 at 05:28 PM (#4135334)
Gretzky was the most "in control" athlete I've ever seen and it always seemed like he was just 2 steps ahead of everyone, but Lemieux did stuff that felt impossible. Seriously, come on, yes it happened. I contend that he was more talented (which doesn't necessarily mean "as good," I'd also say LeBron is more talented than Jordan and...yeah), but regardless his highlight reel is definitely cooler IMO.
   83. AndrewJ Posted: May 18, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4135338)
Many of us aren't lucky enough to choose the manner of our professional exit. Especially if we're athletes (probable case in point: Mariano Rivera). Kudos to Kerry for doing so with class.
   84. Gern Blanston Posted: May 18, 2012 at 05:50 PM (#4135346)
Living in Chicago in 2003 was a hell of a thing. An amazing sports memory.

It sure was. And it was my first year living here, sort of finding my way after my marriage ended. That year offered solace galore.
   85. toratoratora Posted: May 18, 2012 at 06:04 PM (#4135358)
1-2004 Red Sox (The idiots)
2-86 Celtics (Maybe the best basketball team ever-who could compete with that front line
2-(Tie)-79 Pirates (Talk about a fun team-the We are Family Pirates were so easy to root for)
4-2007 Red Sox (They win title #2)
5-75-76 Celts (Hondo, Cowens, Silas, JoJo White-yeah, I loved that team)
6-2000 Ravens (Hometown boys. It was great to see the city so excited)
7-75 Sox (Ah, I had such youthful hopes-thought they would be a dynasty for years)
8-72-74 A's(The Swinging A's. Colorful, brawling, talented. Just a blast)
9-85 Bears (I could watch that defense play all day long)
10-76 Raiders (Stabler, Branch, Casper, Tatum, they were the baddest guys in a bad ass league)

   86. VoodooR Posted: May 18, 2012 at 06:08 PM (#4135361)
The deadspin video cut off too quick. Wood came out for a curtain call after hugging everyone in the dugout. I'd been able to fight back the tears until that final burst of emotion...
   87. BourbonSamurai, vassal of the Harpsburg Empire Posted: May 18, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4135363)
10. 1992 Cowboys (Don't judge me.)


mmmmm....nope, sorry, gonna judge you.
   88. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 18, 2012 at 06:14 PM (#4135368)
   89. Misirlou is bad, he's nationwide Posted: May 18, 2012 at 06:42 PM (#4135382)
1 - 2005 Illini B Ball
2 - 1985 Bears
3 - 1984 Cubs
4 - 1983 Illini Football (During the Michigan game, 80,000 people chanting "Rose Bowl, Hose Bo, clap, clap, clap clap clap" over and over again.)
5 - 2005 White Sox
6 - 6 peat Bulls (all the teams blend together, but it was a magical time)
7 - 1983 Winning Ugly Sox (first post season Chicago baseball in my lifetime)
8 - 1989 Flying Illini (could be way higher, just a really fun team, but the way they lost to Michigan in the semis drops them lower)
9 - 1977 South side hit men
10 - 2003 cubs (I guess I have to include them, but not really one of my favorites. Randall Simon, Tom Goodwin, Doug Glanville, Jo Borowski, El Pulpo, Ramon Martinez...THAT'S a would be champion?)
   90. Quaker Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4135552)
Hard to rank these:
1/2. '98 Cubs & '96-'98 Jazz
3. '05 Notre Dame Football
4. '07-'08 Jazz
5. '03 Cubs
6. '08-'09 Jazz (just b/c I paid for Lg Pass and watched all but 2 games)
7. '05 Northwestern Football
8. '05-'06 GWU Basketball
9. '05-'07 Bears
10. '08-'09 Phillies

   91. McCoy Wilfong for Money Posted: May 18, 2012 at 11:24 PM (#4135556)
1. 1985 Bears
2-7 Chicago Bulls Championship teams
8. 2006 Bears
9. 2008 Chicago Cubs
10. 1988 Fighting Irish
   92. Chicago Joe Posted: May 19, 2012 at 01:26 AM (#4135586)
'05 Illini basketball
'08 Cubs
'01 Bears-the Mike Brown team.
'89 Illini basketball
'96-'98 Bulls
'83 Illini football
'98 Cubs
'85 Bears
'91-'93 Bulls
'84 Illini basketball

Lotta hoops in there.
   93. Chris L Posted: May 19, 2012 at 02:13 AM (#4135598)
The 20K game was riveting. Most dominating pitching performance I've ever seen. I still remember it like it was yesterday, watching it from my college dorm room. Derek Bell took a knee swinging at a third strike that was a foot outside!
   94. Squash Posted: May 19, 2012 at 05:49 AM (#4135624)
Gretzky was the most "in control" athlete I've ever seen and it always seemed like he was just 2 steps ahead of everyone, but Lemieux did stuff that felt impossible. Seriously, come on, yes it happened. I contend that he was more talented (which doesn't necessarily mean "as good," I'd also say LeBron is more talented than Jordan and...yeah), but regardless his highlight reel is definitely cooler IMO.

I agree with this. Gretzky didn't make so many literal WTF moves as he just simply understood angles and momentum better than anyone else. He was a master at going one way and then shooting/passing the other. Lemieux on the other hand made many more how-the-hell-did-that-happen plays.

10. 1999 A’s

I'm glad to see you mention these guys. My favorite team of all time. Gotta put the 94 49ers, the 91-92 Warriors, the 93-94 Warriors (####), and the 2001 A's as the rest of my top 5. Maybe toss the Jason Kidd Cal Bears and the 1991 Cal football team in there too.
   95. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:11 AM (#4135626)
best of luck kerry

ya big lug
   96. baudib Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:40 AM (#4135631)
Voros:
No one will disagree with you that Prior was a more polished pitcher than Wood. As to whether or not he would have developed had he stayed healthy, it's a big daunting to even consider since the likelihood of him staying healthy was so unrealistic.

However, there are several pitchers who are late bloomers and go on to have HOF/near-HOF careers largely after the age of 26 (Wood's last full season):
Curt Schilling had 2 seasons with more than double-digit wins before age 30. He went 164-94 from age 30+ with 2,316 Ks, 3 20-win seasons

Randy Johnson didn't become a dominant pitcher until he was 29 and basically peaked at age 37 or so.

David Wells didn't become a starter until he was 28. There's Dazzy Vance, Sandy Koufax, Jamie Moyer.
   97. baudib Posted: May 19, 2012 at 06:51 AM (#4135632)
I agree with this. Gretzky didn't make so many literal WTF moves as he just simply understood angles and momentum better than anyone else. He was a master at going one way and then shooting/passing the other. Lemieux on the other hand made many more how-the-hell-did-that-happen plays.


Lemieux was better than Gretzky, I'll never be convinced otherwise.

Gretzky had the benefit of being older and entering the league earlier. It's sort of a Babe Ruth outhomering entire teams thing. He could do it because he played in a good HR park (1920-21) when no one else was even trying to hit home runs.

The Oilers in general and Gretzky in particular were so far advanced beyond the rest of the NHL in terms of finesse, skating (Gretzky himself was not even close to being one of the better skaters on the Oilers), stickhandling, etc., that they were playing an entirely different game. After Gretzky was in the league for several years, he was still a great, great, great player, just like Ruth in the mid-late 1920s, but he wasn't lapping the field anymore.

Gretzky did manage to be much more durable than Lemieux, but for pure dominance, Lemieux just owned Gretzky. He was a man among boys. He was 99.9% as good a passer as Gretzky, and a markedly better scorer/shooter. He was bigger and faster and simply could not be stopped.
   98. Dag Nabbit has the talking pillow Posted: May 19, 2012 at 07:45 AM (#4135639)
Up at THT: Kerry Wood career highlights, which present highlights, personal bests/worsts, most important games, and various milestones in the career of Wood.
   99. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: May 19, 2012 at 07:50 AM (#4135640)
If this becomes a hockey thread, I'm going to blow u the internet.
   100. DanG Posted: May 19, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4135659)
blow u?
Forget it, he's rolling.
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