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Wednesday, June 04, 2014

Report: Marlins tried to acquire Jim Johnson from Athletics

The Marlins tried to acquired right-hander Jim Johnson from the Athletics last week, according to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports. The offer was Johnson and cash for the 39th overall pick in this week’s draft, plus another player.

Bleacher report is also stating that the A’s are shopping him to multiple teams and are willing to pick up part of the salary.

The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: June 04, 2014 at 04:42 PM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. boteman is here Posted: June 04, 2014 at 05:30 PM (#4719135)
The Marlins appear to be hoarding relief pitchers lately. Bryan Morris, Kevin Gregg (OH NOOOOOES!!), tried to get Jim Johnson (can he still pitch???) I know they lost Jose Fernandez, a starter, and there's a cloud hanging over Henderson Alvarez, another starter, but that doesn't explain their interest in relievers.
   2. theboyqueen Posted: June 04, 2014 at 05:39 PM (#4719150)
Why would anyone want Jim Johnson? Even if the A's pay his entire salary getting a pick for him seems like a win.
   3. A triple short of the cycle Posted: June 04, 2014 at 05:39 PM (#4719152)
It's only been 22 innings, but Johnson has been an unmitigated disaster. He's pitched very poorly, while making as much $$ as the rest of the bullpen combined. Can't see how that sits well with Doolittle and Cook. He's been booed off the field at home. The A's are getting lights-out performances from everyone else in the pen, all the way down to Abad, and they are getting Cook back this week and O'Flaherty sooner than later. Beane would definitely be trading low on Johnson now, but if he can get something of potential value in return, I think it would be a good idea.
EDIT: or what theboyqueen said
   4. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: June 04, 2014 at 05:45 PM (#4719163)
How long is his contract. Will you take Dan Uggla?
   5. Traderdave Posted: June 04, 2014 at 06:17 PM (#4719200)
A's fans generally LOVE their players, even lousy ones. If A's fans boo you, you S-U-C-K.

But the larger question is why didn't they keep Balfour?
   6. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 04, 2014 at 06:28 PM (#4719211)
It's uncanny how horrible Billy's attempts at having expensive players has been whether he was extending players, signing them as FA's or trading for them. If they aren't bargains, they can't play for Oakland. Really, it's the weirdest thing. They need to trade Johnson for a bag of peanuts just to open that roster spot, especially with Cook back.
   7. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 04, 2014 at 06:35 PM (#4719218)
It's uncanny how horrible Billy's attempts at having expensive players has been whether he was extending players, signing them as FA's or trading for them. If they aren't bargains, they can't play for Oakland

Cespedes would be the only exception, I guess. And even he's not setting the world on fire
   8. theboyqueen Posted: June 04, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4719221)
Kazmir may end up being his greatest "big ticket" free agent signing ever (they didn't pay Frank Thomas very much). Agree that a roster spot is more valuable than Jim Johnson at this point.

Looking at the last couple years, man Uggla has been horrible. I'd have to say no on that one even with 2B being the A's weakest position. I'd take the bag of peanuts.

[edit] Cespedes is awesome. I forgot about him.
   9. Danny Posted: June 04, 2014 at 06:42 PM (#4719225)
So a reverse Heath Bell (A's were part of 3-team trade where the Marlins dumped Bell shortly after signing him)?

While I always thought he was overpaid, I'm not as down on Johnson as most. His underlying stats (GB%, velocity, break, strike %, contact %) all seem very much in line with his previous work. The two outliers are (i) walks and (ii) a .326 BABIP on groundballs compared to a .226 mark for his career. The walks are obviously worrisome, but I think part of it is poor catcher framing by Norris and (mostly) Jaso compared to last year. The Baseball Prospectus framing stats say that Jaso has cost Johnson 8.4 strikes in 107 framing opportunities, which is the third worst rate of all batteries with 100+ framing opportunities.

Steamer and ZIPS rest-of-season projections still have him putting up a ~3.45 ERA going forward, which is only about a 1/10th of a run worse than their preseason projections. All that said, this would have been a great deal. And it's crazy that the Cardinals get a competitive balance pick instead of the A's.

But the larger question is why didn't they keep Balfour?

Have you looked at Balfour's stats this year?
Cespedes would be the only exception, I guess.

The Kazmir experience has been miles better than the Ben Sheets experience thus far.
   10. theboyqueen Posted: June 04, 2014 at 06:53 PM (#4719229)
This to me is the definitive Jim Johnson appearance this year. Comes in with a 9-2 lead, gets an out, hits a guy, gets another out, walks the bases loaded, walks home a run, gets mercifully removed from the game. If you can't throw strikes with a 7 run lead you are pure liability, and if you want to blame this on pitch framing you have more compassion than the Dalai Lama.
   11. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: June 04, 2014 at 08:04 PM (#4719257)
The Kazmir experience has been miles better than the Ben Sheets experience thus far.

So very much this.
   12. Danny Posted: June 04, 2014 at 08:21 PM (#4719266)
if you want to blame this on pitch framing

Well, kinda. But, yeah, that was generally an awful appearance.
   13. Traderdave Posted: June 04, 2014 at 09:25 PM (#4719296)
Have you looked at Balfour's stats this year


Yes, he's sucked. Johnson has sucked considerably harder.

But that isn't the point, relievers have significant seasonal variations and current results weren't easily predictable. But Balfour was a known quantity available for a lot less cash. It made no sense to ditch him for Johnson, results aside.
   14. bob gee Posted: June 05, 2014 at 09:27 AM (#4719501)
yeah, was surprised they let balfour go. i read from the usual suspects that balfour initially wanted a multi year deal, couldn't get that, signed with the orioles (2 years?), the doctors didn't like him and they backed out, the rays got him (2 years?).

so i'm guessing that beane thought the market for closers would be more years/money than it was. and although i wasn't thrilled with acquiring him, he's a few years younger than balfour.

johnson's been atrocious. i'm no fan of booing anyone who's trying, so i didn't like that part from the a's fans...but he's been terrible, and i'd say his (awful) stats are actually better than he pitched.

and if the marlins were thinking of giving up that 39 pick for him? jump on it! he deserves a shot, but it's got to be somewhere else other than oakland.
   15. Danny Posted: June 05, 2014 at 04:57 PM (#4719917)
Today was another example of Johnson not getting much help from the catcher/umpire.
   16. Baldrick Posted: June 05, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4719937)
In 22 innings, Johnson has given up about 10% of Oakland's runs this year. Using the same catchers as everyone else.

Perhaps they're just really screwing things up for him and no one else, and perhaps it's all their fault and not his. But it sure doesn't seem like anyone else is scuffling because of pitch framing.
   17. Danny Posted: June 05, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4719957)
Perhaps they're just really screwing things up for him and no one else, and perhaps it's all their fault and not his.

Perhaps that's a strawman. As I wrote above, "The walks are obviously worrisome, but I think part of it is poor catcher framing." I think poor catcher framing is part of the reason Johnson has walked ~6 more guys than expected thus far. I didn't say that all of the walks--much less all of the runs--were due to catcher framing.

And according to Baseball Prospectus, the A's catchers have cost the team 105 strikes relative to average. You can disagree with the numbers, but I'm not just making this up.
   18. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: June 05, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4720024)
Balfour wanted three years. The A's moved on. By the time he came down to two, they had acquired Johnson.

Acquiring Johnson was dumb on its own. Three years for Balfour would have been too. The important thing is that they threw Johnson into the dustbin rather quickly.
   19. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: June 05, 2014 at 07:22 PM (#4720034)
After Johnson ($10 MM) was acquired, it was only a matter of time before Brett Anderson ($9.5MM including option) was dumped in order to make the trade salary neutral. Viewed as Weeks+Anderson for Johnson+Pomeranz, the A's definitely made out well in the deal - especially since they did not hesitate to move Johnson into the garbage time role so he has not cost them a lot of critical games.

In other words, Beane failed (again) in a big-money player but ultimately succeeded (again) because he had to go cheap.

If the A's had struggled out of the gate, JimJo would have gone down with Arthur Rhodes for most-hated closer in Oakland history.

1. Rhodes
2. Dotel
3. Foulke (goddamit)
4. Koch

At least Foulke and Koch had very nice regular seasons for the A's.

   20. dr. scott Posted: June 05, 2014 at 08:18 PM (#4720066)
So does todays not allowing anyone to score for the first time in weeks mean JJ is going to pitch more soon? shudder
   21. theboyqueen Posted: June 06, 2014 at 01:30 AM (#4720189)
And according to Baseball Prospectus, the A's catchers have cost the team 105 strikes relative to average. You can disagree with the numbers, but I'm not just making this up.


How much better would the A's pitching (which is already the best in the league) be with average or above average pitch framing? I think I disagree with the numbers.

There is no way Billy Koch is lower than Foulke. He was the pits.
   22. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: June 06, 2014 at 02:20 AM (#4720196)
Koch vultured like 10 wins and only kinda blew the ALDS. Foulke, while awesome, blew a zillion Huddy wins, threw a ####### fastball to Papi in what should have been the clinching game 4, and then left to win the WS with the Sox the next tear. His dilly dallying in free agency led directly to Arthur Rhodes, and his game 4 stupidity means I will never erase the memory of Byrnes, Tejada, Melhuse, Long, and Lowe from my nightmares.
   23. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: June 06, 2014 at 01:39 PM (#4720454)
If the A's had struggled out of the gate, JimJo would have gone down with Arthur Rhodes for most-hated closer in Oakland history.


Jay Howell begs to differ.

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