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Wednesday, March 05, 2014

Rick Ankiel will retire

An interesting career. I’m sure he’ll be a fine coach if he wants to be.

Bourbon Samurai Posted: March 05, 2014 at 05:57 PM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: March 05, 2014 at 06:21 PM (#4666933)
He'll have a great year in the front office and then mental issues will force him out of the game at a young age. Then he'll come back and have a respectable career as an umpire.
   2. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 05, 2014 at 06:24 PM (#4666935)
I was at the 1999 Futures Game at Fenway. The scorebook had MLB comps for each player (e.g. Calvin Pickering=Mo Vaughn). For Ankiel the comp was...Sandy Koufax. No pressure kid. I'll never forget watching that 2000 playoff game, it's probably the most bizarre thing I've ever seen on a baseball field.
   3. Bourbon Samurai Posted: March 05, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4666938)
People always spoke extremely highly of him with the Nats. I expect he'll make a good coach.
   4. toratoratora Posted: March 05, 2014 at 06:44 PM (#4666947)
That playoff game was just brutal to watch. Five WP in an inning was something I never thought I'd see (People forget that the Cards won that game). Then to follow it up with three more in 2/3 of an inning in game two of the NLCS-just wow.
I felt so bad for the kid watching the meltdown.It was awful to see a talent combust on national TV
   5. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 05, 2014 at 06:52 PM (#4666956)
His meltdown started against the Braves, and he got one final moment of glory in 2010 while playing for the Braves.
   6. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 05, 2014 at 07:09 PM (#4666958)
He picked up 4.1 WAR during his all-too-brief pitching career, then added 4.4 more during his longER run as a hitter.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: March 05, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4666964)
I was absolutely completely 100% sure that I had attended Ankiel's second disaster start, on a Saturday night in Shea Stadium in 2000. A sobering trip to BR shows me that his start was in St. Louis, on a Thursday, and that I must have attended the following game. It was my first date with my future wife. I forgive myself for forgetting the details of what happened on the field.

That fall I was also having constant arguments with a college classmate who didn't take to my parroted Rob Neyer arguments very kindly. One of those arguments was whether or not a team should trust a rookie in the playoffs (he said that you should always opt for the guy with experience). The player we were actually arguing about was Barry Zito, not Ankiel, but Ankiel's psychological breakdown didn't help my case very much.
   8. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: March 05, 2014 at 07:57 PM (#4666967)
I was at the 1999 Futures Game at Fenway. The scorebook had MLB comps for each player (e.g. Calvin Pickering=Mo Vaughn). For Ankiel the comp was...Sandy Koufax. No pressure kid. I'll never forget watching that 2000 playoff game, it's probably the most bizarre thing I've ever seen on a baseball field.


The footage.

Check the curve at 2:12 against Alfonso Soriano. Unfair.
   9. Alex meets the threshold for granular review Posted: March 05, 2014 at 07:58 PM (#4666968)
Oh, also, Rick Ankiel, career, vs. Barry Bonds: 3 plate appearances, 3 strikeouts.
   10. Jason Michael(s) Bourn Identity Crisis Posted: March 05, 2014 at 08:09 PM (#4666978)
I really, really wanted to see him give it another shot on the mound. I suspect he could still throw 95+ in a relief role, and I'm certain there were 30 teams willing to give him that chance.
   11. Zach Posted: March 05, 2014 at 08:10 PM (#4666979)
Coaches have to throw batting practice.
   12. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: March 05, 2014 at 08:11 PM (#4666980)
Kid had an unbelievable amount of baseball talent. Cheers to you, Rick.
   13. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: March 05, 2014 at 08:14 PM (#4666982)
   14. Randy Jones Posted: March 05, 2014 at 08:42 PM (#4666996)
I believe he was the first player younger than me in MLB and now he's retiring. #### I'm old.
   15. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: March 05, 2014 at 08:56 PM (#4666999)
I believe he was the first player younger than me in MLB and now he's retiring. #### I'm old.
The first one younger than me outlasted your guy. That makes me younger than you, I think.
   16. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: March 05, 2014 at 09:17 PM (#4667009)
He'll have a great year in the front office and then mental issues will force him out of the game at a young age.

I'll insist until my dying day that it wasn't mental. These guys who suddenly start throwing the ball to the backstop all "coincidentally" end up having their elbows reconstructed. Ankiel came back to have better control than he'd ever exhibited in his life in 2004, and it deserted him the following spring...after the return of discomfort in his elbow.
   17. Lassus Posted: March 05, 2014 at 09:25 PM (#4667013)
(People forget that the Cards won that game)

NOT ALL OF US
   18. Lars6788 Posted: March 05, 2014 at 09:28 PM (#4667014)
I have a wild theory that LaRussa and Duncan were not adept to deal with young pitchers while turning scrap veterans into meaningful pieces.

Did the two somehow screw up Ankiel?
   19. PreservedFish Posted: March 05, 2014 at 09:52 PM (#4667026)
I'll insist until my dying day that it wasn't mental. These guys who suddenly start throwing the ball to the backstop all "coincidentally" end up having their elbows reconstructed. Ankiel came back to have better control than he'd ever exhibited in his life in 2004, and it deserted him the following spring...after the return of discomfort in his elbow.


One issue with this is that, from what I can tell, Rick Ankiel disagrees with you.
   20. Walt Davis Posted: March 05, 2014 at 10:25 PM (#4667038)
Ankiel the batter: 240/302/422
Ankiel the pitcher: 226/331/384 against

29 points of OBP vs 38 points of SLG ... I think the average batter against Ankiel was a slightly better hitter.

(He always walked a lot of guys.)
   21. The Duke Posted: March 05, 2014 at 10:48 PM (#4667043)
Ankiel had a ton of "moments" in his career. When he moved to CF he had a whole slew of throws to gun guys out that simply will never be repeated.

His first game back to the Cardinals as a hitter he hit a home run.

He had a fairy tale quality about him -- often known as the "The Natural" in St. Louis for both his talents and his story line.

He should have come back one more time as a LOOGY

Must only be a few players that had the ability to start regularly as both a pitcher and a hitter in the major leagues.
   22. The Duke Posted: March 05, 2014 at 11:01 PM (#4667046)
linky http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaf2gQM.html
   23. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 05, 2014 at 11:03 PM (#4667047)
The footage from the futures game is great. Though we should be thankful for GoPro because that helmet cam that Furcal has on is just ridiculous looking.
   24. Accent Shallow Posted: March 06, 2014 at 01:00 AM (#4667064)
The footage.

Check the curve at 2:12 against Alfonso Soriano. Unfair.


Are they wearing Turn Ahead the Clock uniforms? #### the heck?
   25. Bigotis49 Posted: March 06, 2014 at 01:03 AM (#4667065)
My favorite Ankiel moment:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/rick-ankiels-strike-from-center-field/2012/04/17/gIQAZe4qNT_blog.html

I was lucky enough to be in the stadium, seats lower level behind home plate. The announcer isn't lying - We all gave him a standing ovation...for a throw from the outfield...where there was no actual play at the plate.
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: March 06, 2014 at 01:25 AM (#4667067)
No Ankiel thread is complete without this.

Ankiel toasts two rockies at third.

Now, it's probable the second guy was safe, but still impressive.
   27. cardsfanboy Posted: March 06, 2014 at 01:31 AM (#4667069)
   28. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 06, 2014 at 02:03 AM (#4667075)
The throw at Cincinnati is the best of the bunch.
   29. John Northey Posted: March 06, 2014 at 07:39 AM (#4667089)
A shame he wasn't willing to give pitching another shot now that his hitting career is over. Would've been fun if he could've done it. Starting pitcher - hitter - reliever (ideally closer) just to give him 3 different careers and make it completely impossible to find real comps.
   30. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: March 06, 2014 at 10:11 AM (#4667113)
He played parts of 11 seasons...will his story get him on the Hall ballot when he's eligible?
   31. BDC Posted: March 06, 2014 at 10:18 AM (#4667117)
I believe he was the first player younger than me in MLB and now he's retiring. #### I'm old

Nah, wait till the last one older than you retires to start feeling old. I was lucky in that I'm a little younger than both Rickey Henderson and Julio Franco. But I'm a good bit older than Jamie Moyer …
   32. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 06, 2014 at 10:26 AM (#4667122)
People always spoke extremely highly of him with the Nats. I expect he'll make a good coach.


That's interesting. In his short stay in KC he was characterized as being kind of a dick, but I'm not sure if it was just him being shy and not that comfortable in his surroundings, or him legitimately being a dick. But I got the impression the media really didn't like him, and the team was rather glad they were able to dump him mid-season.

I guess if I were him at that point in my career, I wouldn't be thrilled about having to go to a loser Royals team.
   33. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: March 06, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4667128)
He played parts of 11 seasons...will his story get him on the Hall ballot when he's eligible?


I'm inclined to say no. His career is just too short. Since he was a hybrid, it's hard to quantify playing time, but if you credit him with 3 PA per IP, that gives him about 2750, way lower than anyone I've found on recent or near future ballots. The lowest appear to be Fernando Tatis and Joe Crede, both with ~ 3400. Or put another way, he's got 240 IP total, a good full season, and 3 seasons with over 400 PA, none over 500.
   34. spycake Posted: March 06, 2014 at 02:32 PM (#4667224)

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