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Friday, July 29, 2011

Rico Brogna: Either You Are A Hall Of Famer Or You Are Not!

“Piazza! Piazza!” Little RICO Act.

Barry Bonds in recent years has been a heated debate. Should he or shouldn’t he get in the HOF? And if the answer is yes, should Barry be a first ballot HOF? C’mon man! This guy was unbelievable, PED’s or whatever! There is one thing you need to ask yourself, “Is Barry Bonds and his performance on the field during his career worthy of HOF entry? As my son would say (he’s 8 years old), “Duh!” ‘Nuff said. Barry is simply one of the best to ever play this great game. No maybe, no but what about the help he might have gotten, and no, well, lets put him in but make him wait. I see clearly now, the powers that be are playing HOF God? C’mon man! If Barry is not an automatic, in any era, no matter what help he might have gotten, Hall of Fame baseball player, than I’m done with this Cooperstown thing.

Listen, Mike Piazza, best known probably for his monster seasons in New York as a Metropolitan, is a HOF baseball player. He is either in the hall or not in the Hall. It’s a no-brainer for this MLB alumnus. The political aspects involved with the HOF are exactly what are wrong with its processes. People, powerful baseball people, decide official entry on what criteria? Is it statistics? Is it championships? Is it longevity and strong character and personal make-up?

...There are no levels in the Hall, no, no and no. There are no gold-stamped first ballot HOF players either, no, no and no. It’s a simply yes he is, or no he is not!

...Last thing, when people mention that Keith Hernandez is one of the best all-time 1B, ever, doesn’t that mean he is a HOF caliber baseball player? I think so. And the same exact argument can be made for “Donnie Baseball” (Mattingly). Hall of Fame baseball players are easily sighted and easily identified. C’mon man!

Repoz Posted: July 29, 2011 at 09:33 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: hall of fame, history, steroids

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   1. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: July 29, 2011 at 11:47 AM (#3888118)
I was with him right up to the part about Hernandez and Mattingly.
   2. Mirabelli Dictu (Chris McClinch) Posted: July 29, 2011 at 12:26 PM (#3888127)
There's a non-stupid case for Hernandez, but the best that can be said of Mattingly (vis-a-vis the Hall of Fame; I'm not trying to slam him as a person or manager) is that he was on a Hall of Fame path through 28, after which point he was never the same player again.
   3. pinball1973 Posted: July 29, 2011 at 12:29 PM (#3888128)
What sick impulse makes me regularly click on to read ANY HoF article?

As Rorschach said in "Watchmen" when tricked into a police trap, "STUPID, stupid, stupid! You're so stupid!"
   4. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: July 29, 2011 at 01:32 PM (#3888145)
If Barry is not an automatic, in any era, no matter what help he might have gotten, Hall of Fame baseball player, than I’m done with this Cooperstown thing.


Can we count on that as a promise? Will you sign The Pledge?
   5. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 29, 2011 at 01:36 PM (#3888149)
The most interesting thing about this article is that it was written by Rico Brogna.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 29, 2011 at 01:39 PM (#3888152)
Last thing, when people mention that Keith Hernandez is one of the best all-time 1B, ever, doesn’t that mean he is a HOF caliber baseball player? I think so.


You THINK so? C'mon man! Either he's a HOF or not!
   7. Brian C Posted: July 29, 2011 at 04:35 PM (#3888275)
Was this excerpt taken from something Rico Brogna wrote in the comments section on some blog? Or are there just no editors in the world anymore?
   8. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: July 29, 2011 at 04:46 PM (#3888284)
Either you can write or you can not!
   9. Dr. Vaux Posted: July 29, 2011 at 05:02 PM (#3888307)
I thought the excerpt was surprisingly well written for something by a baseball player. It probably was edited.
   10. Brian C Posted: July 29, 2011 at 05:43 PM (#3888356)
What editor would allow that many exclamation points?!?!?
   11. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: July 29, 2011 at 05:47 PM (#3888366)
An editor brought up on Silver Age comics!
   12. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 29, 2011 at 05:55 PM (#3888374)
I agree with "Rollickin' Rick" Brogna! Excelsior!
   13. Dale Sams Posted: July 29, 2011 at 06:21 PM (#3888411)
Nuff said!!
   14. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: July 29, 2011 at 08:39 PM (#3888539)
Rico Brogna: Either You Are A Hall Of Famer Or You Are Not!


Today's headline was brought to you by the Tautology Club.
   15. spike Posted: July 29, 2011 at 08:59 PM (#3888549)
In a fairness, pretty much everyone looks like a HOFer compared to Rico. I can't imagine how that guy made it six years at first base with an aggregate OPS+ of 92. And he quit on his own - in mid season, still on a big league roster and getting at-bats (Braves, natch).
   16. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 29, 2011 at 09:03 PM (#3888554)
Last thing, when people mention that Keith Hernandez is one of the best all-time 1B, ever, doesn’t that mean he is a HOF caliber baseball player?

Rico, as a reward for that splendid analysis and argument, I will now make you qualified for the Hall of Fame:
Rico Brogna is one of the best all-time 1B, ever.
There. I mentioned it. I hope you'll do the same for me in your induction speech.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: July 29, 2011 at 09:05 PM (#3888556)
He was an excellent fielder and could hit 20 homeruns. I see why he was getting starts.
   18. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 29, 2011 at 09:09 PM (#3888562)
There are no levels in the Hall, no, no and no. There are no gold-stamped first ballot HOF players either, no, no and no. It’s a simply yes he is, or no he is not!


It's easy to laugh, but I wish more HOF voters understood this fairly simple point.
   19. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: July 29, 2011 at 10:57 PM (#3888627)
Rico, as a reward for that splendid analysis and argument, I will now make you qualified for the Hall of Fame:
Rico Brogna is one of the best all-time 1B, ever.
There. I mentioned it. I hope you'll do the same for me in your induction speech.


Ah, but the operative word was 'people'. One isn't enough... unless you have multiple personality disorder.
   20. Steve Treder Posted: July 29, 2011 at 11:30 PM (#3888652)
There are no levels in the Hall, no, no and no. There are no gold-stamped first ballot HOF players either, no, no and no. It’s a simply yes he is, or no he is not!


It's easy to laugh, but I wish more HOF voters understood this fairly simple point.

Ain't that the truth.
   21. Morty Causa Posted: July 29, 2011 at 11:36 PM (#3888656)
And it's also why the HOF can only insult the truly great.
   22. Something Other Posted: July 31, 2011 at 06:20 AM (#3889470)
Today's headline was brought to you by the Tautology Club.
Great strip! Thanks for the link.
   23. Swedish Chef Posted: July 31, 2011 at 09:26 AM (#3889493)
The headline isn't a tautology, it's a statement asserting the validity of the law of the excluded middle, but only as it pertains to Hall of famers. The intuitionists would take exception to that for infinite sets, but they wouldn't mind to use it for the set of HoF players, which is obviously finite.

Clearly the function of the headline is to mollify any constructive matematician* reading the article.

*) Except a hypothetical ultrafinitist that can't count to 200.
   24. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: July 31, 2011 at 11:24 AM (#3889498)
The headline isn't a tautology, it's a statement asserting the validity of the law of the excluded middle

P ? ¬P
If that is not a tautology, nothing is.

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