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Tuesday, May 23, 2006

RLPA: The Replacment Level Players 2011 Season Results

From sweitze.....“The Replacement Level Players Association (RLPA), an OOTP league founded in late 2004 by several members of The Baseball Think Factory, has just completed the 2011 season.

Highlights include dominating seasons from Brandon League and Matt Cain on the mound, the retirement of clutch veteran Derek Jeter just short of 3000 hits, Baltimore blowing a ten game division lead for the second straight season, 132 wins for the Houston Astros dynasty, and a shocking 4-1 Series victory by Boston over the mighty Astros for the Red Sox third RLPA championship.”

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   1. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 02:10 PM (#2033142)
This message should also say that we're looking for a new owner for the 2012 season. We're using OOTP 6.5 now, with some plans to change to OOTP 2006 in a few seasons.

Come by the forums and check it out. You can see we have a good (if often odd) time.
   2. pv nasby Posted: May 23, 2006 at 02:15 PM (#2033152)
What's the initial investment? Can I look forward to my usual level of success in fantasy leagues?
   3. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 02:18 PM (#2033154)
The initial investment is the cost of OOTP - maybe $30. Unlike DMB, you don't need to buy a new season disk every year. Once you've purchased the game, you're good to go.

You'd actually be taking over a team in pretty good shape, so it would take a special talent to steer it into the basement. You might just be the guy, though.
   4. RickG Posted: May 23, 2006 at 02:28 PM (#2033165)
Initial investment won't be too heavy. OOTP 2006 (which we will convert to in a few real-time months) is $35.00. OOTP 6.5 (which we are using now) is only $20.00, I believe. There are no "season packs" to purchase, as there are with DMB.

It pays for itself. Even solo leagues are worth the price.

As for usual success...well, I'd like to say that my White Sox would overtake the Indians this year, but that seems unlikely, so you could hit the playoffs in year 1. Unless Minnesota returns to prominence. Or the Tigers find the needle.
   5. The Artist Posted: May 23, 2006 at 02:29 PM (#2033166)
UCCF - what franchise is open right now ?
   6. RickG Posted: May 23, 2006 at 02:33 PM (#2033169)
I'll take that -- Cleveland just opened up. Its owner moved to Montreal.
   7. RLPA Commish Posted: May 23, 2006 at 02:34 PM (#2033171)
Cleveland is open for new ownership, and potentially one other team. We also talk about expansion every season, but that's pretty much a red herring. If you're interested in a team, you can EMAIL ME WITH THIS LINK.

RLPA MVP in the AL? I went with Daric Barton, much as it pains me to vote against former Red Sox SS B.J. Upton.
   8. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 02:40 PM (#2033175)
If we expand, I call dibs on ownership of the Bangor Red Herrings.
   9. RLPA Commish Posted: May 23, 2006 at 02:46 PM (#2033182)
and look at that... an OOTP ad, right next to our thread.

i love it when a plan comes together.
   10. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 02:51 PM (#2033186)
If you'd been in the league *last* season, you could have seen my Astros go 132-30. Two years ago, we were only 126-36.

I still can't believe we lost the World Series. It's the greatest upset in the history of mankind, right up there with the defeat of the Spanish Armada.
   11. RLPA Commish Posted: May 23, 2006 at 02:59 PM (#2033189)
ringzzZ.
   12. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 03:00 PM (#2033190)
Also, if you've never used OOTP before, don't let that stop you from joining. Many of our new owners didn't know anything about OOTP when they started out (myself included). You pick it up pretty quickly, and people in the league are more than happy to help steer you to that level of competency that will let you make bad trades with confidence.

(We all make bad trades starting out. It's a rite of passage, like firing off that first joke about Wu's throwing arm or complaining about the collective bargaining agreement.)
   13. RLPA Commish Posted: May 23, 2006 at 03:01 PM (#2033191)
(and the real reason i post RLPA to BTF is so i can say things like "one of the highlights was baltimore blowing a ten game lead for the second straight season".

that makes it all worthwhile, right DAL?
   14. RLPA Commish Posted: May 23, 2006 at 03:02 PM (#2033192)
the CBA is working!
   15. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 03:06 PM (#2033193)
RingzzZ. So wrong.

I blame the game. If Jerome Williams had been willing to talk contract with Milwaukee, he never would have been traded. Without Williams, the Red Sox probably don't hang on to nose out Baltimore (and have a much harder time getting past Oakland in the ALCS).

Stupid German programmers, always mucking with my dynasty.
   16. BringHeat Posted: May 23, 2006 at 03:11 PM (#2033196)
The RLPA is addictive, challenging, and has a bunch of great guys involved. What more do you want, updated team leaderboards and VORP trackers?? We've got that, too. And the only steroid scandals in the history of the RLPA have been over whether or not Raffy should have been elected to the RLPA HOF.

First team approved gets his or her very own ESTEVE!!! Supplies extremely limited, act now.

(trade me Esteve)
   17. RLPA Commish Posted: May 23, 2006 at 03:19 PM (#2033203)
(trade ME Esteve)
   18. sardonic Posted: May 23, 2006 at 03:39 PM (#2033221)
Wow, does that mean Steve is out of the league?
   19. RickG Posted: May 23, 2006 at 03:49 PM (#2033231)
Yup. Family obligations, though he will act as steward of our White Sox during my move to Florida.
   20. Sexy Lizard Posted: May 23, 2006 at 04:11 PM (#2033256)
From someone ignorant of OOTP: how is Yulieski Gurriel, who hit .180 in Single-A, the league's highest paid player?
   21. GoldSox Posted: May 23, 2006 at 04:20 PM (#2033261)
A minor quirk in the financial system will cause him to revert to a minor league contract if he hasn't reached the majors when his initial major league deal expires, so the bidding on him got completely out of control when he defected from Cuba. And my (LA) fire sale gave me an incredibly low payroll, and pre-firesale success put me in a position to afford a crapload of money on a prospect.
   22. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 04:20 PM (#2033262)
In OOTP, a player is set up with talents (his potential) and ratings (how far he's developed toward that potential). Gurriel has amazing talents - if he reaches them, he's basically a fast, slick-fielding versatile middle infielder who hits like Ted Williams. But he hasn't developed at all, so his ratings are still very low. With ratings that bad, he's not going to hit even at A-ball.

As he develops, he'll get better (at least LA hopes he will) and move up through the minor leagues. Gurriel defected to the US before last season and was put up for auction to the highest bidder. LA bid $120M over 3 years to bring him on board.
   23. GoldSox Posted: May 23, 2006 at 04:23 PM (#2033267)
he hasn't developed at all

He has developed some... just not much. Double digit ratings across the board vs LHP!
   24. The Artist Posted: May 23, 2006 at 04:26 PM (#2033271)
Roffle - I'll have a look. I'm definitely interested. And the bidding is one of the constant OOTP problems we've tried to address with Markus (over at the OOTP boards - he's the developer)- that a player has no awareness of the general market environment (or the cash flow in the league) when he resigns with your team - FA forces him do to that.
   25. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 04:26 PM (#2033272)
OK, he's developed some. He's at least as good as Neifi Perez right now.
   26. Kirby Kyle Posted: May 23, 2006 at 04:28 PM (#2033274)
UCCF, how do you compare OOTP and DMB? I realize that one league is future performance and the other is past players (anything to escape the present?), but which game do you find more involving, realistic, and/or reflective of managerial skill?
   27. Replacement-Level Primate Posted: May 23, 2006 at 04:30 PM (#2033278)
I will always hold the record for first owner to sweep an entire sim (15-0)!!! Although I really wish someone would have warned me that Barry Bonds would gradually evolve into Neifi Perez before the end of the first year...
   28. RickG Posted: May 23, 2006 at 04:37 PM (#2033282)
Artist --

We're slowly working toward a good system for manually regulating bidding and bid amounts. We're in version 2 of our Collective Bargaining Agreement (we started with a certain set of rules, adopted them several times, then decided to make more changes and hold. We've held twice now).

It's available for perusal on the RLPA boards.

As for Gurriel...Goldsox is nuts, that's how :)
   29. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 04:37 PM (#2033283)
I don't think they're that comparable. I see DMB as being mostly about in-game managing - there's some work at the beginning of the year in picking the rosters, but beyond that there are very few trades, really no farm system, the players don't develop, etc. The whole league is about the H2H play.

OOTP is more about being the general manager. You deal with free agency, contract extensions, minor leagues, an amateur draft every year, injuries, trades, etc. The actual games themselves are almost an afterthought - we sim 10-15 days at a time.

Pushed to choose, I'd go with OOTP over DMB. I don't think there's a whole lot of strategy in DMB once you get past the initial draft for the season. I don't think we had 5 trades all of last season, and I made maybe 1 or 2 demotions/promotions from the farm. It's just about playing the games, which is fun but doesn't really change from week to week. In OOTP, you're constantly looking to change your team - even the dynasties, the great teams, still make substantial trades every year (not to mention keeping close watch over your minor leagues, making sure your financial situation is OK, dealing with the draft, etc.). I think there's a lot more skill (and some luck as well) involved in building a good OOTP team.
   30. Dave Bowman Posted: May 23, 2006 at 05:53 PM (#2033342)
(and the real reason i post RLPA to BTF is so i can say things like "one of the highlights was baltimore blowing a ten game lead for the second straight season".

that makes it all worthwhile, right DAL?


Your Evil Dynasty form is no match for my Callaspo Style! Haaaaaaaa... waaa-CHA! On guard!

And, uh... can... can you... can you trade me a spare pitcher? Even Jeremy Affeldt would do nicely. Pl-- please? Help out the needier, less fortunate pitching staffs around you, dude.
   31. Toolsy McClutch Posted: May 23, 2006 at 05:55 PM (#2033346)
I think I almost tried to join last "year" (2 years ago?). I'd like to kick the tires on OOTP before I say I'm interested though.
   32. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 06:04 PM (#2033358)
If you go to the OOTP website, they're offering a free download of OOTP5. I never used it, but from what I understand it's not that different from OOTP 6 (someone who knows more might say otherwise, though). At least it would give you a chance to poke around and see what the game is like.
   33. Scott B Posted: May 23, 2006 at 07:21 PM (#2033418)
sent an email to scottwe... i'm interested.
   34. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 07:24 PM (#2033423)
We already have Scott and OtherScott. I guess you could be NewScott. Or ScottIII.
   35. Scott B Posted: May 23, 2006 at 08:06 PM (#2033457)
TheGoodScott ?
   36. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 08:12 PM (#2033463)
The Ramirez and Perez deals look to be crazy too.

And the Podsednik deal too.
   37. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 23, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2033475)
The Ramirez and Perez deals look to be crazy too.

And the Podsednik deal too.


Don't forget Roy Halladay!

I welcome a new owner to the Indians to be destroyed by my Athletics in the playoffs this year. Heh.

No seriously, this is without a doubt the best, most active OOTP league on the Internet. The league does have a learning curve though. I came into the league for the 2008 season and inherited a regining division champion, and expected to just cruise to the playoffs. Well, I got destroyed, and fire saled. I gradually learned more about what works in the league and what doesn't, and voila, World Series as soon as 2010. It can be done!

(Especially since whoever takes over Cleveland will be inheriting a soild team.)
   38. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 08:38 PM (#2033488)
From what I can see, Cleveland will be losing Castillo.

Free agent second basemen {Age on 7/1/2012) (C/G/P/Eye/K's, Speed/Range/Fielding Percentage)
Castillo (36): 67/44/20/49/57, 73/71/.985
K. Johnson (30): 48/54/63/43/56, 58/55/.991
Maddux Jr (29): 51/68/47/24/59, 40/12/.977
Deluna (25): 29/47/38/39/54, 40/40/.994
Gary Boren (28): 27/40/6/37/46, 8/12/.980
Kris Burke (32): 48/49/56/38/78, 77/37/.972
John McCurdy (31): 77/39/42/47/52, 78/48/.962
Bernie Scott (26): 43/75/47/11/46, 42/75/.993
   39. Dave Bowman Posted: May 23, 2006 at 09:12 PM (#2033516)
No seriously, this is without a doubt the best, most active OOTP league on the Internet.

I know that sounds like hyperbole, but it really, really is. Even the best non-RLPA OOTP leagues might have about 1,000 message-board posts in a year; we've had that many in a single /thread/. (Admittedly only once, but still!)
   40. The Artist Posted: May 23, 2006 at 09:19 PM (#2033519)


No seriously, this is without a doubt the best, most active OOTP league on the Internet. The league does have a learning curve though. I came into the league for the 2008 season and inherited a regining division champion, and expected to just cruise to the playoffs. Well, I got destroyed, and fire saled. I gradually learned more about what works in the league and what doesn't, and voila, World Series as soon as 2010. It can be done!
-

Eh, I wouldn't go that far. There are some really active fictional leagues out there, from the FOBL, to the baseball maeltstrom - the latter is probably considered the numero uno OOTP league. The USBA is pretty top notch as well.
   41. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 09:22 PM (#2033521)
I do like the FOBL website. They did a really nice job.
   42. CraigK Posted: May 23, 2006 at 10:00 PM (#2033542)
Heh, Albert the Great won the Triple Crown in '07; cool.
   43. Hendry's Wad of Cash (UCCF) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 10:19 PM (#2033557)
Pujols was awesome that season. He had a huge September and IIRC overtook the batting leader during the last week of the season.

It was the best offensive season the league ever had until 2011, when Alberto Callaspo topped him.
   44. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 23, 2006 at 10:51 PM (#2033588)
Err, do try and overlook the fact that Alberto Callaspo is the best player in the league though, if you're somehow married to how good a player is in real life.
   45. Dave Bowman Posted: May 23, 2006 at 11:08 PM (#2033610)
Callaspo is awesome in ANY reality.
   46. Dave Bowman Posted: May 23, 2006 at 11:11 PM (#2033615)
Also any language. Did you know that "Callaspo" is the word for greatness in Swahili? TRUE FACT.
   47. AJTrenkle Posted: May 23, 2006 at 11:27 PM (#2033663)
RLPA is really my only hobby. Even better than the game is the discussion and humor of our members. I can't imagine any other league being better. I read more than I post, but RLPA keeps me having fun every day. Now if I can just figure out how to get my Giants back to the promised land....
   48. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 11:45 PM (#2033719)
AAA all-stars in this league

Steve Balboni Jr (who exists though some hoax pulled during the 2004 draft). 70 HRs in 772 AB in AAA

Wily Mo Pena. 54 HRs in AAA in 2011. With the RLPA numbers, he has 250 minor league homers. 163 of them are in AAA.

Jesse Hoorelbeke. Three straight 40 homer seasons in AAA, and only one major league AB in those 3 years. 199 HRs in AAA.

Billy Butler. 80 HRs in 815 AB in AAA. He may stick around in the majors with Minnesota due to his 280/335/430 line in 57 games.

Chris Carter. 150 HR in the last 4 years at AAA.

Samuel Bocanegra. 34 HRs in AAA, then 26 HRs in AA, and then 45 HRs in AAA in 2011.

Hector Lopez. 249 HRs in 5 years, all in Single A. Including 56 HRs as a 27 year old first baseman.

And there are 14 Jr's in the RLPA.

Eric Milton Jr. is a first baseman, Bobby Jenks Jr is five years younger than Bobby Jenks.

Neifi Perez has a son named "Neifi Perez Jr." and he should enter the draft pool, just because.
   49. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: May 23, 2006 at 11:50 PM (#2033740)
Neifi Perez Jr should ideally be a bit opposite of Neifi Perez.

Meaning that Neifi Jr would hit lots of home runs and draw walks. But only as a right-handed hitter. As a lefty, he would be a carbon copy of Neifi Perez.

Estimates

Neifi Jr as a RHB: 270/420/500
Neifi Jr as a LHB: 260/290/300
   50. Mister High Standards Posted: May 24, 2006 at 12:14 AM (#2033826)
I have used OOTP before, and I find it really unusable. Font is impossible to read with any of the standard skins - reading any of the screens is rediculously hard to do.
   51. Dave Bowman Posted: May 24, 2006 at 12:30 AM (#2033881)
Steve Balboni Jr (who exists though some hoax pulled during the 2004 draft). 70 HRs in 772 AB in AAA

Ah, Balboni Jr. He's a relic of our ill-fated attempt to introduce comp picks to the RLPA. It was, uh... it was kinda on the stupid side, in retrospect. I don't even remember what problem it was supposed to address.
   52. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: May 24, 2006 at 12:38 AM (#2033899)
I sent an email.
   53. Mister High Standards Posted: May 24, 2006 at 12:58 AM (#2034000)
Is there a way to fix the font issue that I mentioned? I want to mess around with the game, but the windows are unreadable. The problem is the popup menus for when you want to hire a coach for example is transparent which makes it impossiable to read what is the box. Am I making any sense... there must be a way to fix this because I just can't see how anyone can play the game as is.
   54. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: May 24, 2006 at 01:05 AM (#2034040)
The Nepotism list, Major league sons who could be in the 2012 draft for your league.

Hunter Grimsley (11/8/1994), son of Jason Grimsley
Albie Lopez, Jr. (5/5/1994), son of Albie Lopez
Nikolai Bonds (1989 or 1990), son of Barry Bonds
   55. Mister High Standards Posted: May 24, 2006 at 01:11 AM (#2034073)
I figured it out. Now maybe the game won't be so unplayable. COnsidering all the great reviews you all give it my expectations are high.
   56. sardonic Posted: May 24, 2006 at 05:38 AM (#2035088)
With TwoAlou's views on Omar Vizquel and the HoF, he'll fit right in... ;)

BOBBY CROSBY 4 POPE!!!11
   57. Shrike Posted: May 24, 2006 at 10:44 AM (#2035123)
Darn straight, the Indians are jettisoning Castillo. He was a late-season rental for me; sadly, I still lost in heart-breaking fashion to the Red Sox in the playoffs.

There are some internal solutions available.

Good luck to whomever takes up the reins of my old team. I'll happily give out some free advice from my new vantage point as the Expos owner.
   58. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: May 24, 2006 at 01:02 PM (#2035154)
With TwoAlou's views on Omar Vizquel and the HoF, he'll fit right in... ;)

BOBBY CROSBY 4 POPE!!!11


I love you too.
   59. mjs Posted: May 24, 2006 at 01:38 PM (#2035172)
Honestly, a great league (though the snark content is steadily rising :) ).

I've been the hapless owner of the Phillies for the past few years. When I started, I fibbed a little and said I knew some about OOTP when I had never used it before. I did a lot of stupid things early, but I just completed a solid rebuilding project, with my team being 82-80 each of the past two years (injuries killed me at the end of the 2011 season; lost one of my top relievers, three starting pitchers, and almost all of my offensive players (except for Prasch and Crosby) underperformed). Now, I'm at the point where I can hardly afford my current team (fan interest has doubled for me this past year, but I'm still making up for years of little revenue) but I don't want to break it up since "this could be the year."

Fun league, great owners, decent learning curve, and a good time.
   60. RickG Posted: May 24, 2006 at 02:47 PM (#2035222)
Hey, high standards, sorry you had to fight through that. I've never seen the issue you mention.

Hope you enjoy it. Contact us if ever interested in a team.
   61. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 24, 2006 at 07:52 PM (#2035575)
He may stick around in the majors with Minnesota due to his 280/335/430 line in 57 games.

And his 94 power. Billy boy is gonna hit a lot of home runs in that park.
   62. Shrike Posted: May 25, 2006 at 04:10 AM (#2036258)
Chris "X-Files" Carter was one of the most frustrating prospects Cleveland has had. His contact rating got destroyed several times; he was very nearly a very useful player at the ML level.
   63. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 25, 2006 at 05:28 AM (#2036306)
i really hope the OOTP cubs manager isnt as incompetiant as the current cubs staff is

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