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Thursday, August 14, 2014

Rob Manfred one vote short on 1st ballot

Rob Manfred fell one vote short of the required three-quarters majority on the first ballot Thursday to become the new baseball commissioner, a person familiar with the balloting told The Associated Press.

Manfred, baseball’s chief operating officer, received 22 votes and Boston Red Sox chairman Tom Werner got eight, the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity because no statements were authorized.

The third candidate, MLB executive vice president of business Tim Brosnan, dropped out just before the start of voting.

 

Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:00 PM | 58 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:01 PM (#4771316)
Smoke has emerged from the MLB Offices. We have a new pope. It is Rob Manfred.
   2. asinwreck Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:23 PM (#4771328)
Pope Fred?
   3. Swedish Chef Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:26 PM (#4771333)
Habeus legatus
   4. JE (Jason) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:28 PM (#4771337)
Smoke has emerged from the MLB Offices. We have a new pope. It is Rob Manfred.

Smoke? I thought it was cookies.
   5. TerpNats Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:29 PM (#4771338)
So who switched?
   6. Dan Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:36 PM (#4771344)
So who switched?


Supposedly everyone, 30-0 vote. At least that's what all the PR has said and will continue to say.
   7. jdennis Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4771345)
An article says Moreno and Reinsdorf were core anti-Manfred voters who were trying to get votes for Werner. The third guy supposedly had no chance.
   8. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:42 PM (#4771347)
Moreno is a #########. Spend gazillions on Pujols, Hamilton, Wilson, etc. And then vote for the guy interested in the salary cap.

Hmm.
   9. Joey B. Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4771350)
Great news. Manfred + Tony Clark means our unprecedented era of labor peace is likely to continue for many years to come.
   10. TerpNats Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4771360)
There's no way #9 had a reference to "rednecks"...was there?
   11. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4771368)
[10] Nope.
   12. The District Attorney Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:13 PM (#4771371)
Heyman sez:
Support vacillated betw 20, 21 and 22 votes for manfred. Brewers and rays eventually voted yes, and nats pushed it to 23.
So the 7 votes against were both sox, blue jays, diamondbacks, angels, a's and reds. Before the official 30-0 vote anyway
   13. JE (Jason) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:23 PM (#4771375)
This Maury Brown piece posted before the unanimous vote contained interesting info, including:
Tom Werner was reportedly grilled by St. Louis Cardinals owner Bill DeWitt over his stance on revenue sharing. DeWitt also headed the search committee to find Selig’s replacement. DeWitt mentioned how when Werner owned the San Diego Padres he was for increasing revenue sharing, while the Boston Red Sox have tried to reign revenue sharing in. DeWitt pointed out that in Werner’s presentation on Weds., he completely sidestepped the matter of revenue sharing. Put on the spot, Werner did not give a definitive answer. Not satisfied Tampa Bay Rays owner Stuart Sternberg pressed Werner on the topic. Werner conceded that he would not be in favor of increasing revenue sharing.
   14. AndrewJ Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:33 PM (#4771381)
For a few moments this evening Manfred's biography on his Wikipedia page concluded:

"At the end of the 2013 season, MLB Commissioner Bud Selig promoted him to chief operating officer.[2] The position had been vacant since Selig fired Bob DuPuy in 2010.[5] Following the announcement of Selig's retirement, effective after the 2014 season, Manfred has been elected to succeed him as Commissioner. The nation rejoices as he is not a Jew. [6][7]
   15. The District Attorney Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:35 PM (#4771382)
I hope the Cards weren't agitating for more revenue sharing. That'd take a lot of balls, given how ridiculous it is that they even have a "competitive balance pick."
   16. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:52 PM (#4771386)
Well, if Reinsdorf was in favor of Werner, it's just common sense to vote against him.

All hail the new commissioner!
   17. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4771390)
"reign revenue sharing in"??!!
   18. Spahn Insane Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:10 PM (#4771399)
I'll admit to not following this stuff closely at all, or to knowing anything at all about the various candidates. What's the quick-n-dirty as to whether/why this is good or bad news?
   19. Rough Carrigan Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:23 PM (#4771403)
How the hell did Werner think he was not going to state his position on revenue sharing to the other owners?
   20. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:39 PM (#4771414)
I hope the Cards weren't agitating for more revenue sharing. That'd take a lot of balls, given how ridiculous it is that they even have a "competitive balance pick."


That would be a strange thing for STL ownership to pursue, since the Cardinals pay money into the revenue sharing system and three of the four teams they compete with in the NL Central are receivers of revenue sharing dollars.
   21. The District Attorney Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:42 PM (#4771416)
How the hell did Werner think he was not going to state his position on revenue sharing to the other owners?
This might go a long way towards explaining why several reporters (I recall Jeff Passan and Bill Madden, to name two) described a seemingly extremely successful businessman as a joke candidate.

That would be a strange thing for STL ownership to pursue, since the Cardinals pay money into the revenue sharing system and three of the four teams they compete with in the NL Central are receivers of revenue sharing dollars.
Okay, that's better.
   22. Gamingboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:43 PM (#4771418)
Hail to the chief, he's the chief and he needs hailing...
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 08:45 PM (#4771419)
I'll admit to not following this stuff closely at all, or to knowing anything at all about the various candidates. What's the quick-n-dirty as to whether/why this is good or bad news?


The quick-n-dirty is that if you are happy with the way things have gone the past 10 or so years, the status quo is more likely to remain. Selig picked Manfred because he was fully aware of how devastating the lost 1994 season was for baseball.

   24. Dag is a salt water fish in fresh water world Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:03 PM (#4771432)
I'll admit to not following this stuff closely at all, or to knowing anything at all about the various candidates. What's the quick-n-dirty as to whether/why this is good or bad news?

Werner was the pick for those who wanted a hard-line stance with the union. Werner was the pick far more likely to result in a labor stoppage. Werner lost.
   25. madvillain Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:04 PM (#4771434)
The quick-n-dirty is that if you are happy with the way things have gone the past 10 or so years, the status quo is more likely to remain. Selig picked Manfred because he was fully aware of how devastating the lost 1994 season was for baseball.


Ok, but why exactly is this so great for labor peace? If the players strike I don't really see ANY head of MLB acquiescing without a fight.

And hell, the "status quo" has been greatly inter-erupted under Selig, we got teams changing leagues, playoff changes, instant replay, it's been nothing but tinkering so this means more tinkering? Great.
   26. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:09 PM (#4771435)
Hail to the chief, he's the chief and he needs hailing...

that's why they have to "reign in" revenue sharing
   27. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:10 PM (#4771436)
Hail to the chief, he's the chief and he needs hailing...
I really liked that movie.
   28. Dag is a salt water fish in fresh water world Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:15 PM (#4771440)
Manfred was the candidate of miniature American flags for some. Werner was the candidate of abortions for others.
   29. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:16 PM (#4771444)
Ok, but why exactly is this so great for labor peace? If the players strike I don't really see ANY head of MLB acquiescing without a fight.


The strike occurred mainly because the owners were spoiling for a fight and refused to negotiate. Reisendorf and his clique wanted to return to the era of trying to destroy the unions to extract more profits, surely driven in part by watching how easily the NFL, NBA, and NHL unions were crushed over the last few years. Manfred has long experience with the MLBPA, and enough mutual respect that we're unlikely to see acrimonious labor negotiations turn into a lockout or strike. This is a very good thing.
   30. madvillain Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:21 PM (#4771447)
@29 -- thank you! It was pathetic how easily the NBA and NFL union got rolled in their latest respective negotiations. I will usually side with labor but an antagonistic relationship does nobody any good.
   31. Big Ears Teddy shouldn't see TFTIO Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:29 PM (#4771454)
The nation rejoices as he is not a Jew.

Citation needed.
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:29 PM (#4771455)
And hell, the "status quo" has been greatly inter-erupted under Selig, we got teams changing leagues, playoff changes, instant replay, it's been nothing but tinkering so this means more tinkering? Great.


Exactly. MLB has instituted reasonable changes to maintain fan interest, fix one of the biggest blights in baseball by getting rid of the uneven divisions, and of course institute instant replay, things that needed to be done. Continuing that trend of doing the things that should be done in a reasonable manner is a great legacy and hopefully will continue.
   33. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:36 PM (#4771459)
He'll get in eventually, just never felt like a first-balloter.
   34. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:51 PM (#4771463)
I wonderered in the other thread what was offered to teams to get them to flip. A future All-Star Game? (Washington wants one) Help with a territorial dispute? (Washington has one) Also, lots of politics happens in Washington, if you catch my drift.
   35. TerpNats Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:34 PM (#4771502)
#34: If that's what happened, the Lerners played this perfectly.
   36. Lassus Posted: August 14, 2014 at 11:23 PM (#4771535)
1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:01 PM (#4771316)
Smoke has emerged from the MLB Offices. We have a new pope. It is Rob Manfred.

2. asinwreck Posted: August 14, 2014 at 06:23 PM (#4771328)
Pope Fred?


They better have done that thing with that special chair.
   37. boteman Posted: August 14, 2014 at 11:23 PM (#4771536)
The Lerners were among the early Werner supporters, but might have been the ones to push Manfred over 23 votes as they were not named in the later tweets on successive votes. Mark Lerner was reported to leave the conference room without comment to reporters, so he was either irritated at the outcome or unwilling to spill.
   38. madvillain Posted: August 15, 2014 at 12:07 AM (#4771559)
Exactly. MLB has instituted reasonable changes to maintain fan interest, fix one of the biggest blights in baseball by getting rid of the uneven divisions, and of course institute instant replay, things that needed to be done. Continuing that trend of doing the things that should be done in a reasonable manner is a great legacy and hopefully will continue.


Well some of those things are good but they are also extremely obvious. If they hadn't screwed up the divisions the first time they aligned them post expansion they wouldn't have had such an uneven setup.

I don't think Selig's legacy is any great one, he captained the ship through mostly calm waters, the one time he had to navigate tough seas he steered MLB right into the 1st WS cancellation in history. Granted he was one of many moving pieces on it but as Stringer Bell knows the hatchet falls on the CEO.

Actually, I just remembered: isn't the WBC Selig's brainchild? Now that's a good job of tinkering to effect, love that tourney, adds excitement every 4 years and like the World Cup, a good way to measure getting older.
   39. Walt Davis Posted: August 15, 2014 at 12:31 AM (#4771564)
But hand-picked successors and status quo rarely succeed. It's a better system than patrilineage but probably not by much.

A bit disappointed that none of you geeks has put Manfred vs. Werner into GoT characters followed by a dozen more geeks trying to show they're even more clever GoT nerds.
   40. The District Attorney Posted: August 15, 2014 at 01:00 AM (#4771573)
But hand-picked successors and status quo rarely succeed. It's a better system than patrilineage but probably not by much.
Early returns on the NBA's Adam Silver are good. And I actually wonder if that is a big unspoken factor here. After all, the only experience MLB has with going to the next in line -- Fay Vincent -- did not work out well. So their own experience should theoretically be warding them off this, but they have the counter-example of Silver, who probably has the all-time high commissioner approval ratings right now. (It's obviously very early in Silver's tenure, but, who questions current reality? Not baseball owners, usually.)
   41. Flynn Posted: August 15, 2014 at 07:15 AM (#4771588)
I don't care if Manfred is the next Spike Eckert, he's a better choice than Tom Werner.
   42. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 15, 2014 at 08:24 AM (#4771592)
But hand-picked successors and status quo rarely succeed. It's a better system than patrilineage but probably not by much.


Hand-picked successors often works pretty well because a good CEO will tend to pick a good successor. Sooner or later one of them will make a bad choice (by all accounts Paul Tagliabue made a bad choice), but it's MUCH less likely with each succession than with patrilineage. See also the history of Rome. Everything was hunkydory until Aurelius ###### up by having a son survive to adulthood.
   43. JE (Jason) Posted: August 15, 2014 at 08:54 AM (#4771595)
Early returns on the NBA's Adam Silver are good. And I actually wonder if that is a big unspoken factor here. After all, the only experience MLB has with going to the next in line -- Fay Vincent -- did not work out well.

Am I misremembering the Vincent tenure? The owners may not have been pleased with his trying to get the house in order post-collusion but what, if anything, did he do to screw up fan enjoyment of the game?
   44. McCoy Posted: August 15, 2014 at 09:03 AM (#4771600)
Reaffirm the ban on Pete Rose?
   45. Lassus Posted: August 15, 2014 at 09:45 AM (#4771609)
Oooohhhh there's a good question, I wonder what Manfred thinks of Rose.
   46. JE (Jason) Posted: August 15, 2014 at 09:48 AM (#4771612)
Reaffirm the ban on Pete Rose?

How exactly did this screw up fan enjoyment of the game? (Consider too that the ban is still in place a generation later.)
   47. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 15, 2014 at 09:50 AM (#4771618)
Expansion to Miami
   48. McCoy Posted: August 15, 2014 at 09:53 AM (#4771621)
How exactly did this screw up fan enjoyment of the game? (Consider too that the ban is still in place a generation later.)

I think you need to drink a cup of sarcasm in the morning as well as a cup of coffee, Jason. Cuz you're clearly missing it.
   49. JE (Jason) Posted: August 15, 2014 at 09:54 AM (#4771622)
I think you need to drink a cup of sarcasm in the morning as well, Jason.

Hmmm, maybe just half a cup...
   50. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 15, 2014 at 10:41 AM (#4771662)
Chass says Milwaukee and Tampa Bay flipped their votes.
   51. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM (#4771690)
Misread: Milwaukee and Tampa Bay flipped, but it was Washington who flipped to give Manfred the win.
   52. The District Attorney Posted: August 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4771714)
Am I misremembering the Vincent tenure? The owners may not have been pleased with his trying to get the house in order post-collusion but what, if anything, did he do to screw up fan enjoyment of the game?
I meant didn't work out well from the owners' point of view.
   53. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 15, 2014 at 11:34 AM (#4771716)
Misread: Milwaukee and Tampa Bay flipped, but it was Washington who flipped to give Manfred the win.


If so, one has to presume a promise to support the Lerners in their ongoing fight against Peter Angelos was involved.
   54. Dag is a salt water fish in fresh water world Posted: August 15, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4771860)
But hand-picked successors and status quo rarely succeed.

Hadrian, Trajan, & Marcus Aurellius disagree.
   55. Dag is a salt water fish in fresh water world Posted: August 15, 2014 at 01:39 PM (#4771862)
If so, one has to presume a promise to support the Lerners in their ongoing fight against Peter Angelos was involved.

Or the Lerners figured it was inevitable, and if someone else flipper their vote first, Manfred would have no reason to help then they would really be screwed. It may have been less a backroom deal to get something and more to avoid a backroom deal to completely screw them over.
   56. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 15, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4771876)
I don't think Selig's legacy is any great one, he captained the ship through mostly calm waters, the one time he had to navigate tough seas he steered MLB right into the 1st WS cancellation in history. Granted he was one of many moving pieces on it but as Stringer Bell knows the hatchet falls on the CEO.
Wait, what? He didn't "navigate tough seas." He started out with a bit of turbulence, fired the captain who was trying to navigate smoothly around it, and then yanked the wheel around until he found a hurricane to steer the ship straight into.

And he was one of the people responsible for creating the turbulence in the first place, albeit as one of thirty voices rather than as commissioner.
   57. villageidiom Posted: August 15, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4771886)
I don't think Selig's legacy is any great one, he captained the ship through mostly calm waters, the one time he had to navigate tough seas he steered MLB right into the 1st WS cancellation in history. Granted he was one of many moving pieces on it but as Stringer Bell knows the hatchet falls on the CEO.

Wait, what? He didn't "navigate tough seas." He started out with a bit of turbulence, fired the captain who was trying to navigate smoothly around it, and then yanked the wheel around until he found a hurricane to steer the ship straight into.

And he was one of the people responsible for creating the turbulence in the first place, albeit as one of thirty voices rather than as commissioner.
You're agreeing with him.
   58. OsunaSakata Posted: August 15, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4771899)
Adam Silver has good capital right now because of his handling of the Donald Sterling affair. He'll lose me once ads go onto jerseys.

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