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Rockies’ Trevor Story hit the longest home run in Statcast era on Wednesday

Five hundred and five feet.

That’s how far Colorado Rockies shortstop Trevor Story hit a home run on Wednesday night at Coors Field during a game against the San Francisco Giants.

Zach Posted: September 07, 2018 at 08:19 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bote Man Posted: September 07, 2018 at 10:14 AM (#5740423)
Sure. But, since it's a computer it MUST be accurate, right??
   2. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 07, 2018 at 12:03 PM (#5740501)
The left side of the Rockies' infield:

Trevor Story, .298/31/95
Nolan Arenado, .299/31/93

   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 07, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5740504)
If 505 feet is the best today's much bigger, stronger players can do against pitchers throwing harder, at Coors Field no less, there's absolutely no way the stories of Mickey Mantle or others from past eras hitting 600-foot homers are anywhere close to true.
   4. John DiFool2 Posted: September 07, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5740511)
Except that they might be. Slower pitches mean you can swing a heavier bat. If you have the muscles to do so (and Mick and the Babe certainly did at least, Jimmie Foxx), more mass means more force imparted. If today's players tried swinging one of Babe's bats they would be late on those 100 MPH heaters by a week.
   5. Rally Posted: September 07, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5740513)
600 probably not physically possible. We do have longer documented homeruns in the 1990s, like McGwire hitting 538 and 545 foot bombs.

Since we have reasonably good video of these you could probably figure out if those distances are accurate and consistent with post-statcast measurements.

McGwire's longest according to the article was off Livan Hernandez. I was guessing it was the one off Johnson (#2, 538 feet) which sticks in my memory as the ultimate ideal of the hardest hitting hitter connecting off the hardest throwing pitcher.
   6. Rally Posted: September 07, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5740518)
After watching, I take back "reasonably good video" after watching them. I can't for the life of me tell where the ball is in these primitive, pre-HD broadcasts. Best I can do is guess where it landed by the reactions of the fans.
   7. Rally Posted: September 07, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5740521)
From Google:

"Mickey Mantle's Bat Specs: Size, Weight and Length. All the details on Mickey Mantle's bat are not readily available, but after wading through enough auction house data, we can see his bat usually weighed not much more than 33 ounces and most often weighed in at 32.6. The length of his bats were mostly 35 inches."

Giancarlo Stanton uses a 34 inch, 32 oz. bat.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 07, 2018 at 12:30 PM (#5740523)
Except that they might be. Slower pitches mean you can swing a heavier bat. If you have the muscles to do so (and Mick and the Babe certainly did at least, Jimmie Foxx), more mass means more force imparted.
But would the delta in the weight of the bat, minus the delta in the speed of the pitch, be enough that the ball would go 100 feet farther? Seems extraordinarily unlikely.

We do have longer documented homeruns in the 1990s, like McGwire hitting 538 and 545 foot bombs.
Well yeah, but no one before was as cartoonishly and chemically beefed up as McGwire.
   9. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 07, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5740564)

If 505 feet is the best today's much bigger, stronger players can do against pitchers throwing harder, at Coors Field no less, there's absolutely no way the stories of Mickey Mantle or others from past eras hitting 600-foot homers are anywhere close to true.

I'm sure you're right about the 600-foot homers, but the "Statcast era" is only since the beginning of 2015, so I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from that.

And if Trevor Story (listed at 6'1, 210 lbs.) has the furthest HR in the Statcast era, then obviously there's more to it than size and strength.
   10. Rally Posted: September 07, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5740579)
Well yeah, but no one before was as cartoonishly and chemically beefed up as McGwire.


Seem to be more natural, but Judge and Stanton look to be similar size to McGwire.

Good stuff on Mantle's longest HR
http://baseball.physics.illinois.edu/Krannert-v3.pdf
   11. McCoy Posted: September 07, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5740600)
In all likelihood they used hotter balls back in the day than they do nowadays. They also played during the day in the muggy hot summer in parks that could act like wind tunnels. Detroit of all places was home to a ton of long hit balls in the 1920's and 30's.
   12. stanmvp48 Posted: September 07, 2018 at 03:25 PM (#5740610)
The left side of the Rockies' infield:

Trevor Story, .298/31/95
Nolan Arenado, .299/31/93

So, Tom, who do you think is the more valuable of the two through this point? Arenado has a higher OPS (slightly) by virtue of walking more and has scored more runs. Story has only missed one game. Story has actually made fewer errors than Nolan.
   13. Hysterical & Useless Posted: September 07, 2018 at 04:17 PM (#5740643)
there's more to it than size and strength.


Isn't bat speed a big factor? Being "stronger" doesn't necessarily translate into getting the bat moving faster at point of impact with the ball. You need some quickness there.
   14. SandyRiver Posted: September 07, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5740648)
#10: Mantle's longest "Statcast" homer (hypothetically meaning one for which exit V and launch angle could be known and thus distance calculated) might've been the one he bounced off the façade at OYS in 1963. Various eyewitnesses have said that, at time of impact the ball was: still going up; leveled off; just starting down. It struck at a point at least 105' above the field and perhaps 380-390' from home plate. The "5-second curve" in the link appears to be closest to how the later drive might have looked. That curve has the ball at 100' and the same 380-390 horizontal distance, for a total (unimpeded) flight of 530'+, but it's also pretty clearly headed down. The guy most impressed by the blast might've been the one who threw the pitch.
   15. McCoy Posted: September 07, 2018 at 04:24 PM (#5740651)
I believe the still rising phenomenon is an optical illusion.
   16. Rally Posted: September 07, 2018 at 04:45 PM (#5740665)
I believe the still rising phenomenon is an optical illusion.


Me too. If somebody here is any good at the physics calculations, how hard of an exit velocity would you have to hit a ball for it to still be rising 380 feet away?
   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 07, 2018 at 05:00 PM (#5740676)
And would the answer be any different if you hit a rising fastball?
   18. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 07, 2018 at 05:11 PM (#5740684)
If somebody here is any good at the physics calculations, how hard of an exit velocity would you have to hit a ball for it to still be rising 380 feet away?

If I'm doing this right, given the max height of a projectile and launch angle, the initial velocity =

sqrt[max ht in meters * 2g / sin(launch angle in radians)^2]

If the ball peaks at 380' (115.82 meters) and was struck at a 20 degree launch angle, the exit velocity would be 312 mph at sea level.
25 degree launch angle --> 252 mph
30 degree launch angle --> 213 mph
   19. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 07, 2018 at 05:13 PM (#5740685)
The 380' was the horizontal distance from point of impact, not max height.
   20. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 07, 2018 at 07:52 PM (#5740741)
So, Tom, who do you think is the more valuable of the two through this point? Arenado has a higher OPS (slightly) by virtue of walking more and has scored more runs. Story has only missed one game. Story has actually made fewer errors than Nolan.


It's close enough that I'd say Story's three-homer night put him ahead. Nolan has been scuffling a little bit in September (.222 with no homers) and has looked to me like he needs a day off for the past couple of weeks. Meanwhile, since June 1, Trevor Story has hit .339/.375/.627. If it's whoever gets hotter in September, Story may be the better bet.

Defensively it's probably a wash, since Story is a good shortstop and Nolan a great third baseman. The playing time is a bit unfair, since Nolan had that BS five-game suspension back in April. Other than that, he's only missed one game.

Sure is fun having both of them on the team.

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