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Saturday, July 26, 2014

Roger Angell goes into the Hall of Fame

Skip the syrupy Dowd article and read this one by Richard Sandomir

pthomas Posted: July 26, 2014 at 07:26 PM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 26, 2014 at 10:12 PM (#4758244)
[At 93, he is older than the dead-ball-era pitcher Smoky Joe Wood was when Angell described him as “the old man to my left” at Yale Field in 1981. He and Wood watched a pitchers’ duel between Ron Darling of Yale and Frank Viola of St. John’s, preserved in his article “The Web of the Game”; late in the game, he realized that he was yet another person to have exhausted Wood’s memories./quote]
wow
   2. Coot Veal and Cot Deal taste like Old Bay Posted: July 26, 2014 at 10:45 PM (#4758253)
you could do worse.
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: July 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4758263)
That Angell article still pains me three decades later, in that I ain't never gonna write something like that. And I wrote lotsa stuff that other people liked a LOT, but that one makes you just throw your pen up in the air and give up...

#surrender
   4. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 27, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4758280)
Despite his age, his present output still defies the ravages of time and is not tatterdemalion in the least. He's eminently deserving and I'm glad he gets to be there at his enshrinement.

Stefan Fatsis had an excellent bit on him on the most recent Hang Up and Listen.
   5. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: July 27, 2014 at 12:42 AM (#4758285)
Roger Angell goes into the Hall of Fame


Great to hear it, but Jesus, did they ever take their sweet time about it. Why on Earth should the Spink Award ever have been thought to apply only to beat writers or BBWAA members? Angell writes circles around 99% of them.
   6. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 27, 2014 at 01:03 AM (#4758287)
Great to hear it, but Jesus, did they ever take their sweet time about it.


Seriously. If you had asked me to give a yes or no guess at writers who had received the Spink Award it never would have dawned on me to guess "no" for Angell 20 years ago let alone as recently as last year.
   7. Bunny Vincennes Posted: July 27, 2014 at 01:10 AM (#4758289)
My Grandfather has a baseball signed by Angell, Updike, John Cheever, and Richard Yates. Its one of the single coolest things I've seen.
   8. The Duke Posted: July 27, 2014 at 10:14 AM (#4758345)
Good for Slusser. I used to go down to my university library and track down Angell articles in the New Yorker. I remember sitting at a big long table devouring his magic prose. No one more deserving than Angell.
   9. donlock Posted: July 27, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4758390)
He was given an annual sportswriters' award by the HOF. He was not admitted to nor is he a member of the Hall. Headline writers will also make this mistake when the baseball announcer award is made.

So, no future stories about Joe Buck or Keith Olbermann finally joining the Hall along with the athletes they covered for years, please.
   10. Chris Fluit Posted: July 27, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4758401)
9 posts before the inevitable pedantic "Spink winners are not Hall of Famers" post. That's pretty good.
   11. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 27, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4758402)
The Spink Award will continue to be a sad joke until they finally and belatedly honor this man.
   12. asinwreck Posted: July 27, 2014 at 12:23 PM (#4758409)
The Golden Dentures?
   13. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: July 27, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4758419)
Skip the syrupy Dowd article and read this one by Richard Sandomir

Ordinarily I'd agree that Maureen Dowd is a complete waste of time, but in this case she wasn't. A few choice passages from that column:

When I ask him if the Jacques Barzun quote “Whoever wants to know the heart and mind of America had better learn baseball” was outmoded, he scoffs: “I didn’t write about baseball because I was looking for the heart and soul of America. I don’t care if baseball is the national pastime or not. The thing about baseball is, it’s probably the hardest game to play. The greatest hitters are only succeeding a third of the time. If you take a great athlete who’s never played baseball and put him in the infield, he’s lost.”


Could soccer ever take over as the national pastime? “I don’t know,” he replied. “I felt I was being waterboarded by The New York Times with the World Cup.”
[AMEN TO THAT]

“Barry Bonds belongs in the Hall of Fame,” he said, expressing sympathy for players who get worn down playing every day. “There’s been a lot of cheating, if you want to call it that, particularly about home runs,” he said. “If Ted Williams had had a short right field in Fenway Park, he would have been much better than Babe Ruth, probably.”


We drop by a Ralph Lauren store. He wants to buy a cotton sweater for Cooperstown but doesn’t see anything he likes. “It’s hard to be old and shop,” he says. “The sales staff is probably terrified that I’m changing the age demographic. And I’m no longer sure what I want.”

He said the instructions for Cooperstown were “like D-Day,” but noted mordantly, “Anything I do is O.K. because they’ll say, ‘He’s old. What do you expect? He’s 93. He’s hopeless.’ ”


   14. bobm Posted: July 27, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4758420)
Why on Earth should the Spink Award ever have been thought to apply only to beat writers or BBWAA members?

To keep Bill James from winning it?
   15. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 27, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4758422)
Angell gave a really nice speech, although his assertion that Joe Torre never threw one of his players under the bus was a little weird, and a little short of true.
   16. Howie Menckel Posted: July 27, 2014 at 02:50 PM (#4758469)

yeah, and A-Rod has the tire tracks to prove it!
   17. toratoratora Posted: July 27, 2014 at 03:19 PM (#4758491)
Angell gave a really nice speech

We should all come off as well at his age.
He looked ten years younger than he is
   18. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: July 27, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4758507)
9 posts before the inevitable pedantic "Spink winners are not Hall of Famers" post. That's pretty good.

8 posts, actually.
   19. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: July 27, 2014 at 05:12 PM (#4758573)
Roger Angell was born in 1920, when Cap Anson was still alive.

EDIT: Anson was born in 1852, when Millard Fillmore was president. Fillmore was born in 1800, the year after George Washington died.
   20. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 27, 2014 at 05:17 PM (#4758576)
Tell it to President John Tyler's two living grandsons!
   21. Howie Menckel Posted: July 27, 2014 at 05:57 PM (#4758611)
oops, math fail

   22. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: July 27, 2014 at 06:26 PM (#4758644)
Tell it to President John Tyler's two living grandsons!


Two men, whose grandfather was born in the 18th century, are living in the 21st. Wow.

Tyler had 15 children by two wives; the last was born when he was 70, in 1860. (And the girl lived to see WW2, finally passing away in 1947 -- 132 years after her oldest half-sister was born!)
   23. McCoy Posted: July 27, 2014 at 06:33 PM (#4758648)
I was at a Nationals game last year and they had Teddy Roosevelt's great great grandson at the game and he is was standing about 20 feet away from me as he got ready for the presidents race. I think he was in his mid 20's but it appears he is actually 32.
   24. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: July 27, 2014 at 08:19 PM (#4758735)
I was at a Nationals game last year and they had Teddy Roosevelt's great great grandson at the game and he is was standing about 20 feet away from me as he got ready for the presidents race. I think he was in his mid 20's but it appears he is actually 32.

He should've slipped into Teddy's costume and won one for the Gipper Rough Rider.
   25. AndrewJ Posted: July 27, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4758774)
Roger Angell was born in 1920, when Cap Anson was still alive.

EDIT: Anson was born in 1852, when Millard Fillmore was president. Fillmore was born in 1800, the year after George Washington died.


I'm 46, and when I was a boy I knew a couple of people who were born in 1882. Here we are 1/7th of the way through the 21st century and I remember people who, in all probability, finished school in the 19th century.
   26. Misirlou has S.C.M.O.D.S Posted: July 27, 2014 at 10:12 PM (#4758779)
Tell it to President John Tyler's two living grandsons!


That fact never fails to amaze me. Who is the next President in line who has a still living grandchild? McKinley? Wilson? Hoover?
   27. Howie Menckel Posted: July 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM (#4758781)

apparently Jane Garfield turned 99 in 2012

   28. bobm Posted: July 28, 2014 at 12:49 AM (#4758821)
Grover Cleveland's grandson was 58 in 2012

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/when-the-countrys-founding-father-is-your-founding-father-99002894/
   29. Flynn Posted: July 28, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4759239)
My Grandfather has a baseball signed by Angell, Updike, John Cheever, and Richard Yates. Its one of the single coolest things I've seen.


That's insane. Those are four of my favorite writers; I'd love to have a baseball like that.

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