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Saturday, January 15, 2011

Rogers: Roenicke in enviable spot, but he better win

or else he just might find himself living next door to a good postured, Wisconsin-accented, Boris Karloff look-a-like (with white hair)!

Ron Roenicke better be tough. He has taken on a rough job, stepping into his first managerial job with the expectation that he will guide the Brewers into the playoffs.

...Given that this probably will be Prince Fielder’s final season with the Brewers and that Zack Greinke and Shaun Marcum are under the Brewers’ control only through 2012, it’s clear Roenicke will have to come out with guns blazing in April.

All new managers try to have an immediate impact, of course. But baseball’s history shows managerial changes are more often fool’s gold than safe investments.

Gambles are especially heavy when first-timers take over.

Every team that won 91-plus games made the playoffs last season. This means Roenicke needs to engineer a 14-game improvement from the Brewers, who were 77-85 under Macha last season. That seems possible given the addition of Greinke and Marcum to work alongside Yovani Gallardo at the front of the rotation.

Repoz Posted: January 15, 2011 at 07:45 PM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bob Evans Posted: January 15, 2011 at 09:49 PM (#3730743)
If they expected a winner, why hire Roenicke? Nothing against him, but usually teams who expect a winner hire a veteran manager, like Bobby V.
   2. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: January 16, 2011 at 06:49 PM (#3731063)
Which manager to win a WS had the least experience?

(I don't know and am too lazy to find out)
   3. Good cripple hitter Posted: January 16, 2011 at 07:07 PM (#3731074)
I'll give that lazy question a lazy answer: Bob Brenly? Won the WS in his first season as a manager, and his only experience was four years as a coach for the Giants.

Come to think of it, there probably was a player-manager who had less experience. Bucky Harris won the WS with the 1927 Senators in his first season as a player-manager, so he might qualify. There's probably someone else in the early days of baseball who did something similar.
   4. Wins Above Paul Westerberg Posted: January 16, 2011 at 08:02 PM (#3731099)
Tom Kelly won a World Series in his first full season. Add to it that he'd never been a Major League ball player and his team was never expected to compete, I'd say that made him pretty green.
   5. BDC Posted: January 16, 2011 at 08:13 PM (#3731105)
To add to #s 3 and 4, both Bill Terry and Rogers Hornsby won the Series in a first full season as player-manager. (They had a little more experience than Kelly coming in, though.)

Dallas Green had only a few games more experience than Kelly. Ed Barrow, like Green, came out of front offices (actually, Barrow came out of league management in the minors) to take Boston to the 1918 title, though he had briefly managed the Tigers many years before.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: January 17, 2011 at 04:11 AM (#3731206)
Facts I did not know about Lou Boudreau ...

He was player/manager for 9 years in Cleveland. That seems absurdly long. (And technically a 10th year in Boston but that was 4 games and 3 PA as a player).

He is (was?) the father-in-law of Denny McLain -- mighta wanted to give your daughter a different steer on that one Lou.

Jim Frey won an AL pennant in his first year with the Royals; won a division in his first year with the Cubs; won a division title in his second season as Cubs GM (not a glorious tenure despite that). From our friends at Wiki -- Lee Smith for Nipper and Schiraldi; Moreland for Gossage; Palmeiro & Moyer for Williams; signed Bell (OK), Danny Jackson and Dave Smith.

So if you want to win now, Frey is your man. You'll also want to can him within 3 years although by then it will probably be too late. This is assuming Mike Keenan isn't available.
   7. The District Attorney Posted: January 17, 2011 at 04:45 AM (#3731217)
Facts I did not know about Lou Boudreau ...

He was player/manager for 9 years in Cleveland. That seems absurdly long.
As I recall, Bill Veeck explains at length in Veeck as in Wreck that he thought Boudreau was a lousy manager, and wanted to strip Boudreau of the job (replacing him with Casey Stengel...) However, after word got out and the fans started burning Veeck in effigy, he realized he couldn't get away with it.
   8. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 17, 2011 at 07:00 AM (#3731239)
Tom Kelly won a World Series in his first full season. Add to it that he'd never been a Major League ball player and his team was never expected to compete, I'd say that made him pretty green.


Tom Kelly wasn't a very good major league ballplayer, but he did play 49 games for the '75 Twins.

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