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Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Rolling Stone: Dan Epstein: The Great MVP Debate

I’m so looking forward to Richard Meltzerosum’s, “The Aesthetics/Sabermetrics of Rock”!

But the choice between the two has essentially devolved into a “handbags at dawn” squabble between the old-school baseball writers, players and fans who revere Triple Crown numbers above all else – and thus insist that Cabrera should be a shoo-in for the award – and the Sabermetrics brigade, who see batting average and RBI as horribly overrated statistics. The former faction is deeply suspicious of the latter’s emphasis on Wins Against Replacement (WAR), a non-standardized stat that employs a complex assortment of calculations to determine a player’s value. The latter faction views reliance upon Triple Crown stats as tantamount to believing the Earth is flat – and, since Trout posted a significantly higher WAR this year than Cabrera (10.7 to 6.9, according to Baseballreference.com), Trout is essentially the poster boy for all things SABR-licious.

Name: Handsome Dick Manitoba

For the AL, it’s Trout. #### the Triple Crown/automatic MVP bullshit. Cabrera is 100 percent of 50 percent of a baseball player – all offense. Baseball is hitting and fielding, and running and throwing don’t hurt either! Trout is a young five-tool phenom. His everyday centerfield playing, and arm, and base running, and speed, and great hitting are much more valuable than a bunch of extra RBI and HR’s. NL: Who cares? I’m in Spain and an AL fan, and I don’t have time to think about the stoopid NL! Kidding! First choice is Posey, catcher, first baseman, leader, cleanup hitter. Second choice? Braun. Why? He’s a Jew!

Name: Steve Wynn: Band: The Baseball Project

I think that Ryan Braun should win the NL MVP. He singlehandedly kept the Brewers in contention against all odds until the last week, while having a better year than his MVP season last year. But he won’t win. There’s no way he’ll win. The voters will give a post-steroids-accusation wrist-slap and choose the feel-good story of Buster Posey. Over in the AL, it’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that Miguel Cabrera will win, although I’d hate to imagine where the Yankees would have been this year without Derek Jeter.

 

Repoz Posted: October 17, 2012 at 12:23 PM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: music, sabermetrics

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   1. Dock Ellis Posted: October 17, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4274245)
According to TFA, Pete Yorn says Ryan Braun was "wrongly accused." I have no moral outrage over PEDs but I would say Braun was pretty accurately accused.
   2. Ron J2 Posted: October 17, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4274293)
#1 I'd say that according to the CBA we shouldn't have found out anything about Braun
   3. Shredder Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4274441)
George Thorogood:
For the American League MVP, I pick Miguel Cabrera. The guy wins the Triple Crown and his team is in firs; if that's not an MVP, there is no MVP.
This is difficult to argue with. I mean, a comparison of the raw numbers probably falls in Trout's favor, but when you add in the fact that the Tigers play in firs, well, it can get hot for a portion of the summer in Detroit, and putting up those numbers while clad in animal pelts is pretty impressive.
   4. Mike Emeigh Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:33 PM (#4274460)
Shredder: Doing what they did while swinging from the trees is even more impressive.

-- MWE
   5. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 17, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4274467)
One could do worse than be a swinger from birches.
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:09 PM (#4274556)
#1 I'd say that according to the CBA we shouldn't have found out anything about Braun


That is what I was thinking when I read the first comment.
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:13 PM (#4274565)
This is difficult to argue with. I mean, a comparison of the raw numbers probably falls in Trout's favor, but when you add in the fact that the Tigers play in firs, well, it can get hot for a portion of the summer in Detroit, and putting up those numbers while clad in animal pelts is pretty impressive.


while putting up a worse record than the Angels... so not only is he MVP while having a measurably inferior year, but he's MVP because he plays in an easier division and helped his team post a record good enough to finish almost but not quite, in the top half of the league.....

I am all for giving more credit for team record, I'm all for giving him credit for traditional stats(that extra .004 average over Trout is the real clincher) but when his argument starts to fall to helping his team have the 7th best record in the league as a plus over the guy who's team had the 6th best record, then I think that the people are reaching.

   8. Shredder Posted: October 17, 2012 at 05:47 PM (#4274652)
Shredder: Doing what they did while swinging from the trees is even more impressive.
Damnit, the joke popped into my head so quickly that I mixed up firs and furs.

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