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Sunday, January 05, 2014

Ron Chimelis: Women prove perfect, passionate sports fans

Hey, Male Chauvinist WAR Pig! (Kimberly rue the day!)

Women are the best fans in sports.

That is at least true in baseball, where I do most of my roving these days. That was apparent with the reaction to Jacoby Ellsbury’s exit from the Boston Red Sox for New York, where the Yankees gave him a seven-year, $153 million contract.

Male fans rushed to their sabermetrics tables. They calculated the loss of Ellsbury’s WAR statistic (it’s “Wins Above Replacement” – if you don’t know, don’t ask) and studied the farm system for replacements.

They knew all the potential free agents and their likely cost. Women did none of this.

All they did was swoon.

“How could he do this to us?” one woman asked me.

“He is being paid $153 million. Duh,” I answered.

The sequence was repeated in other conversations. Men thought the Red Sox were smart to avoid a long-term commitment to a player who has endured injuries and is very good, but is just one man.

Women wrestled with the loss of their favorite eye candy. I did not find this shallow; I found it refreshing.

Not all women look at ballplayers this way, but their response differed markedly from men I encountered.

Women commit an emotional stake in these guys. Men do not. Well, not in the same way. At least, not the men that I know. Maybe I should stop before I get into trouble.

Repoz Posted: January 05, 2014 at 07:37 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: red sox, sabermetrics

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   1. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: January 05, 2014 at 08:34 AM (#4630401)
   2. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 05, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4630426)
The biggest baseball fan I know is my mom. It's not the eye candy factor (though that doesn't hurt, e.g. David Wright) so much as being the only girl for most of her childhood with 5 brothers. These days she's a much bigger fan of baseball than any of them. She certainly pays attention to statistics and understands the economics of baseball. And she lives in the same city as Chimelis, so he clearly doesn't know the local fans as well as he thinks.
   3. Morty Causa Posted: January 05, 2014 at 10:53 AM (#4630434)
Women (and donuts)--is there anything they can't do?
   4. Dale Sams Posted: January 05, 2014 at 11:54 AM (#4630477)
Women are right. Ellsbury was the only thing keeping the Sox from being the ugliest team in the majors.
   5. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 05, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4630481)
Wow, talk about backhanded "compliments." This is one of those "women don't know anything about sports; they just like seeing hotties play well" kind of articles.
   6. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: January 05, 2014 at 12:02 PM (#4630486)
Like scott I have a mother who is a serious baseball fan. As soon as Ellsbury signed I got a text from her that was basically "7 years for him? No way!" then expressed her excitement at seeing Bradley next year on a daily basis. BCI is right this is a pretty insulting article with a patronizing headline.
   7. Morty Causa Posted: January 05, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4630507)
   8. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: January 05, 2014 at 12:54 PM (#4630519)
Sounds as if the Red Sox fanettes are just like the men who watch women's sports. Or maybe male tennis buffs just prefer Anna Kournikova's traditional triple crown statistics to those complicated advanced metrics.
   9. bobm Posted: January 05, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4630524)
FTFA:
Women do not discard the fact that these are human beings, not just numerical lines on a stat printout.

As a rule, they do not play fantasy baseball. Their fantasies are much more traditional.


He should have stopped before.
   10. Bob Tufts Posted: January 05, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4630532)
You've got to be f###ing kidding me.

I hope Susan Slusser and Gwen Knapp kick the crap out of him at any future BBWAA meetings.

   11. morineko Posted: January 05, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4630558)
Someone was doing research over on Tumblr again....
   12. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: January 05, 2014 at 02:28 PM (#4630592)
Not the article I was expecting after reading the headline...
   13. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: January 05, 2014 at 02:39 PM (#4630609)
You've got to be f###ing kidding me.


If you stop by the OTP thread we have a couple of guys who would love to explain to you overpowering awe of genetic determinism, Bob. Admittedly, they generally stick to things like "race" and "crime statistics" but I'm sure they'd expand to how girls can't do math if you like.
   14. Bob Tufts Posted: January 05, 2014 at 03:43 PM (#4630677)
Rickey!:

I guess he wrote Larry Summer's Harvard speeches in his spare time.

It hits close to home because my daughter now works in the industry and deals with sportswriters on a daily basis during the season. I don't want her viewed by these scribes as being not serious about her job and somehow being an athlete stalker.

And I wonder what Chimelis' opinion is of Bill Conlin's interaction/view of young women?
   15. Morty Causa Posted: January 05, 2014 at 03:57 PM (#4630701)
Or, as Earl Weaver called female reporters, "pecker checkers".
   16. TJ Posted: January 05, 2014 at 04:47 PM (#4630739)
Guess I'll have to tell my female friend down in Cincy that her griping about Dusty hitting Cozart second last year was based on his not being cute enough and not his OBP like she said...
   17. TerpNats Posted: January 05, 2014 at 10:06 PM (#4631061)
My mother, who died last month at age 93, was an enthusiastic baseball. In the late '40s, she became avidly interested in the Dodgers (like most residents of Brooklyn), and when my dad attended law school at NYU, working at its law school library, and couldn't watch the games, he sat her down at the TV and instructed her on baseball so that when he returned, she could give him more than the final score.

My dad died in 1982, and mom lost interest in baseball for a while...but in 2005, when baseball returned to Washington (where we had moved in 1970), she regained her love for baseball and avidly watched the Nationals on TV. (At her age, she couldn't go to the ballpark, though I often invited her.) Mom's favorite player in the early days was John Patterson because he was so tall, but she certainly had no romantic interest in him. As the years went on, she became a fan of Ryan Zimmerman, Bryce Harper and Stephen Strasburg. I'm glad she got to see the Nats win the NL East in 2012, and will think of her whenever I watch a game on MASN or visit Nationals Park.
   18. GregD Posted: January 05, 2014 at 10:10 PM (#4631064)
If there was ever a guy who needed a sharp kick in the nuts...
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: January 05, 2014 at 11:15 PM (#4631096)
I just wonder, when people write these type of articles, is there ANY voice in their head going "stop.Stop. STOP." that they ignore?
   20. GregD Posted: January 06, 2014 at 12:11 AM (#4631113)
I suspect there's two hands in their head giving constant high fives. Not fantasy sports but other kinds of fantasies. Yeah baby!

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