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Ronald Acuna elbow OK | MLB.com

Some good news for the Braves.

Jim Furtado Posted: August 16, 2018 at 01:50 PM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. flournoy Posted: August 16, 2018 at 01:57 PM (#5728048)
In his post-game interview, when asked if he felt bad, Jose Urena said that he felt bad that he was thrown out of the game. When asked if he understood why the Braves were upset, he said, "That's the thing I don't understand."
   2. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: August 16, 2018 at 02:22 PM (#5728083)
baseball is ####### stupid.
   3. wjones Posted: August 16, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5728093)
n his post-game interview, when asked if he felt bad, Jose Urena said that he felt bad that he was thrown out of the game. When asked if he understood why the Braves were upset, he said, "That's the thing I don't understand."

I am all for education. We put his arm in a vice, and hit his elbow with a hammer. I am pretty sure that understanding will happen.
   4. Stormy JE Posted: August 16, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5728094)
Good news indeed. Now we just need a Braves pitcher to retaliate against Keith Hernandez.
   5. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: August 16, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5728116)
For definitions of "OK" which include deeply bruised and likely to keep him out of the lineup for a few days at least. "Not broken" is not really "OK" per se.
   6. Khrushin it bro Posted: August 16, 2018 at 02:52 PM (#5728118)
A Marlins guy hit him? They are 22 games behind with 40 to play. What a clown.
   7. Lassus Posted: August 16, 2018 at 02:52 PM (#5728119)
Actually, I'd be more interested in what Donnie HOVG had to say, was he at least asked?
   8. PreservedFish Posted: August 16, 2018 at 02:56 PM (#5728125)
This is, in fact, disgusting.

I wonder what price Keith Hernandez will pay for his dumbassery.
   9. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 16, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5728139)
The Keith Hernandez dumbassery for anyone who missed it.

#### like this goes away when dumbass old guys stop talking it up and saying it's the right thing to do. And when Urena and Mattingly get severely punished. Unfortunately, I don't expect either to happen.
   10. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: August 16, 2018 at 03:14 PM (#5728142)
For definitions of "OK" which include deeply bruised and likely to keep him out of the lineup for a few days at least. "Not broken" is not really "OK" per se.

He's leading off in tonight's game.
   11. Lassus Posted: August 16, 2018 at 03:20 PM (#5728151)
The Keith dumbassery was very dumb - however, it was less bad than the Marlins Manager dumbassery.

ALTHOUGH, it appears Donnie HOVG has become Donnie Pilate and washed his hands of the matter:
Joe Frisaro

Don Mattingly on what he told #Marlins RHP Jose Urena: "What we said with Jose, is 'I don't want to see this kid get hit.' He's a great player. He's going to be great for a long time. For us, he's beat us up, but this is not the way want to handle that situation."

Twitter seems.... unconvinced.
   12. Tin Angel Posted: August 16, 2018 at 03:38 PM (#5728168)
Pretty simple rook- if you don't want to get seriously injured, stop being so good.
   13. Stormy JE Posted: August 16, 2018 at 03:43 PM (#5728175)
The Keith dumbassery was very dumb - however, it was less bad than the Marlins Manager dumbassery.
I can forgive most of what a skipper says in response to actions of one of his players. What was Keith's excuse?
   14. Endless Trash Posted: August 16, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5728182)
I don't know what Keith Hernandez said because I don't want to watch a video, but it is worth noting that this behaviour has been celebrated for a long time. Weve all heard the wistful stories of that tough sumbitch Bob Gibson and how he'd drill guys for hitting homeruns.

I always thought it was stupid and I think the reaction for this incident is appropriate, but let's not act like this nonsense hasn't been a celebrated part of the game for a long time.
   15. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: August 16, 2018 at 03:51 PM (#5728192)
Mark deRosa summed things up well for me on MLB Tonight.
   16. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: August 16, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5728194)
The last incident like this was Dan Straily plunking Buster Posey. Guess what straily and Ureña have in common?
   17. Lassus Posted: August 16, 2018 at 04:08 PM (#5728219)
I can forgive most of what a skipper says in response to actions of one of his players.

I suppose I could if I didn't think Mattingly is a liar.


   18. geonose Posted: August 16, 2018 at 04:49 PM (#5728258)
Remember when Cole Hamels deliberately hit a rookie Bryce Harper simply because he was a rookie?

I don't think Hamels got any suspension, even though he freely admitted it was on purpose.
   19. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 16, 2018 at 04:53 PM (#5728260)
#### like this goes away when dumbass old guys stop talking it up and saying it's the right thing to do.

It goes further back to the minor leagues--nay, college ball, or even high school ball and Little League. The players probably learn it from the types of upstanding fathers who march back to the ol' Hummer to get their weapon so they can teach the ump a lesson for calling out his kid on strikes.
   20. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 16, 2018 at 05:20 PM (#5728278)
Anonymous suggestion from one of Buster Olney's Twitter followers:

An idea: implement intentional HBP. Team signals it and batter informed to choose like a 98mph heater to the rib cage. Sends same message w/o risk of injury while speeding up the game. A win-win!"

Rob Manfred would consider it. It's definitely disruptive to the old skool mentality.
   21. Lassus Posted: August 16, 2018 at 05:40 PM (#5728287)
but let's not act like this nonsense hasn't been a celebrated part of the game for a long time.

Pretty sure certain Braves fan(s) have (frequently) expressed interest in certain young star players getting tagged in the ear.
   22. flournoy Posted: August 16, 2018 at 06:00 PM (#5728304)
Let's not worry about one ignoramus.

I'd love to see MLB issue long suspensions for this sort of behavior. Though I'm sure there would be some side effects.
   23. Tin Angel Posted: August 16, 2018 at 06:08 PM (#5728315)
Ureña was only suspended for six games.
   24. bfan Posted: August 16, 2018 at 06:15 PM (#5728317)
Ureña was only suspended for six games.


He plays for the Marlins. A more severe punishment would have been a 3 game suspension.
   25. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 16, 2018 at 06:29 PM (#5728320)
Ureña was only suspended for six games.

And that's why this stuff keeps happening. Keep him out 30 games without pay, and you'll see a whole lot less of this. This basically amounts to getting extra rest between starts.
   26. perros Posted: August 16, 2018 at 06:33 PM (#5728323)
Can't go from zero to sixty ammd make it stick. Six seems steeper than what's come before.

   27. perros Posted: August 16, 2018 at 06:37 PM (#5728328)
Suspend Mattingly six games, too.
   28. Bote Man the walk-off king Posted: August 16, 2018 at 07:36 PM (#5728389)
clarkspencer @clarkspencer
José Ureña's agent, Paul Kinzer, said the pitcher is expected to appeal 6-game suspension.
   29. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 16, 2018 at 10:43 PM (#5728598)
That's because he was just following orders. He's still guilty of Conduct Unbecoming a Marlin.
   30. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 16, 2018 at 11:02 PM (#5728615)
He's still guilty of Conduct Unbecoming a Marlin.
No, the only thing that qualifies for that offense is making more than the minimum salary.
   31. Endless Trash Posted: August 16, 2018 at 11:08 PM (#5728617)
Can't go from zero to sixty ammd make it stick. Six seems steeper than what's come before.


It's one start.
   32. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: August 17, 2018 at 12:32 PM (#5728820)
That's because he was just following orders. He's still guilty of Conduct Unbecoming a Marlin
C'mon, that was a *solid* A Few Good Men reference, right there.

Kids, these days.
   33. perros Posted: August 17, 2018 at 04:51 PM (#5728939)
It's one start.


He'll lose six games' salary. Suspend Mattingly, too, and it might curb such incidents.
   34. bunyon Posted: August 17, 2018 at 09:57 PM (#5729054)
Any suspension of a pitcher for intentionally hitting a batter should automatically include an equal suspension of the manager. It works that way when a pitcher is ejected in violation of a warning. Either the manager ordered it, in which case he deserves it, or the manager doesn't have control of his players.

I'd also go to a proscribed scale for such suspensions:

1st offense: 5 games
2nd: 10
3rd: 15
4th: 20
etc.

There was a good thread on twitter from, I think, Michael Young, about how "brushbacks" are ineffective by themselves. Pitching inside is important but only in combination with moving up and down, going away, changing speeds. Hitting guys just isn't enough to keep a MLB hitter off balance.

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