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Ronald Acuna hits two leadoff homers | MLB.com

I watched both Braves games yesterday. Acuna put on a real showcase of his skills. I know Juan Soto is getting some well deserved attention. Having watched the two play, Soto will be the better hitter but Acuna will be the better overall player. In pretty much equal playing time this year, bWAR currently gives Acuna the edge.

Jim Furtado Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:09 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5726334)
To add context, MLB.com and MLB Network will sometimes edit footage to splice a remark by the commentator from earlier in the at-bat to immediately precede the AB's resolution. I thought that was the case with Acuna's second homer, as Chip Caray was prattling on about how they'd like to see another homer from him. Then I realized he homered on the first pitch and Caray's comments had been in real time.

I haven't seen much of Acuna, but he seems like a fun, dynamic player.
   2. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5726342)
Looking down the rookie list, Max Stassi is in his 6th major league season but is still a rookie. That has to be near a record, doesn't it?
   3. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:34 AM (#5726355)
haven't seen much of Acuna, but he seems like a fun, dynamic player.


He is. He's young and has a lot of areas where he can and will improve, but the top of the order for this Braves team - the "straight A's" as they call it sometimes - of Acuna and Albies is super fun and dynamic.
   4. bfan Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5726368)
I would love to see a scatter-gram of Acuna's HRs. You will note that one of these was to right center and the other to dead center. He has plenty pulled as well; I suspect he has hit to all fields.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 14, 2018 at 11:43 AM (#5726377)
According to Bref, Harrison Bader leads all rookies in WAR with 3.3
   6. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:03 PM (#5726409)
Max Stassi is in his 6th major league season but is still a rookie. That has to be near a record, doesn't it?

I'll take interest when he appears on "rookie" cards in three different seasons for three different teams.
   7. dlf Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5726434)
I would love to see a scatter-gram of Acuna's HRs. You will note that one of these was to right center and the other to dead center. He has plenty pulled as well; I suspect he has hit to all fields.


Here you go. 8 to LF or LCF, 6 to CF, and 2 to RCF. None yet poked down the RF line.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5726441)
Who would you take first, Acuna or Soto?
   9. bfan Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5726451)
Here you go. 8 to LF or LCF, 6 to CF, and 2 to RCF. None yet poked down the RF line.


Thank-you; that was interesting.
   10. dlf Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:41 PM (#5726461)
Who would you take first, Acuna or Soto?


I'm biased, but probably Acuna although its close. I give a significant bit of weight to the prospect mavens who had Acuna ranked higher prior to what is still a pretty small MLB sample size for both and Acuna's speed suggests he will retain a broader skill set over time. On the other hand, Soto has hit a bit better both in MiLB and MLB.

The team that has to 'settle' for the lesser of the two won't be crying.
   11. bfan Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5726465)
One key would be I think it is clear that Acuna can handle CF; can Soto. It is a lot easier to fill a line-up with left-fielders and right-fielders, once you have CF filled in.
   12. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:47 PM (#5726469)
It's a classic athleticism vs pure hitting ability question.
   13. John DiFool2 Posted: August 14, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5726521)
All other things being equal (when they of course usually are not), you'd take the younger of the two. If Acuna does have more young player skills, it might balance. Soto has much better plate discipline fwiw.
   14. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: August 14, 2018 at 02:39 PM (#5726608)
Also biased, but Acuna actually brings defensive value. Only one of them could potentially become Troutian.
   15. bunyon Posted: August 14, 2018 at 03:18 PM (#5726659)
Acuna has a lot of great skills and could become Troutian.

OTOH, I've seen Atlanta OFers look brilliant at a very young age and completely fall apart. Plate discipline is worth a lot at that age. I think Acuna has a higher ceiling but Soto is a safer bet.
   16. dlf Posted: August 14, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5726671)
Only one of them could potentially become Troutian.


Acuna has a lot of great skills and could become Troutian.


I always thought it unfair to label someone the next Mantle or the next Mays. Many, many, many players couldn't live up to it and some crumbled under the pressure. Acuna has a chance to be great; let's let him be the first Acuna ... or at least the first one getting past milb.

And beyond that, at Acuna's age, Trout lead the AL in runs, steals, OPS+ and WAR; Acuna, unless he keeps hitting leadoff homers every game, won't come close.

BTW - I need to learn soon: how do I do the accent mark in Ronald's name?
   17. flournoy Posted: August 14, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5726684)
I need to learn soon: how do I do the accent mark in Ronald's name?


The easiest way is to find an instance of it and copy/paste. Otherwise, in most applications you can hold down ALT, while entering 02289 on your number pad with Num Lock on.

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   18. dlf Posted: August 14, 2018 at 03:39 PM (#5726688)
Thañks!
   19. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: August 14, 2018 at 03:47 PM (#5726699)
12. PreservedFish Posted: August 14, 2018 at 12:47 PM (#5726469)
It's a classic athleticism vs pure hitting ability question.


I guess it depends on whether you're selling jeans or not!
   20. Perry Posted: August 14, 2018 at 05:46 PM (#5726811)
I'll take interest when he appears on "rookie" cards in three different seasons for three different teams.


And amazingly, none of those 3 teams was the Orioles, with whom he played his first ML game, or the Royals, where he actually lost his rookie status. And then he played 18 years in the bigs. Incredible.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: August 14, 2018 at 07:58 PM (#5726893)
FWIW, very little of Trout's career value derives from his defensive (per bWAR at least). He's an average CF, giving him 2.5 dWAR. If you equalized PT, that only explains about 5 WAR difference between him and Bryce Harper (for example). He's added another 3 wins on baserunning. Trout is Trout because Trout hits like Trout. (And because until the last couple of years, he was very durable.) If you think Soto has the better chance of hitting like Trout -- and I think we have to conclude he does -- then he's more likely to be Troutian. But sure, if he's Sheffield or Dunn or Manny out there, then he won't be. (He's off to a very bad start by bWAR but he can work on that.)

Acuna's defensive profile at the moment is weird. By DRS (and TZ is much the same), he's +3 in just 36 innings in CF (a +98 full-time rate) and +2 in 22 innings in RF (+115) but -1 in 500 innings in LF. I suppose I'll take the aggregate (+4, mostly in LF) but it seems even less reliable than our usual doubts about small sample defensive data.

Exact age is an interesting discussion. Trout of course debuted at (barely) 19 but wasn't particularly good in MLB that season. He was back at about 20 year, 270 days while Acuna debuted at 20 years, 128 days. We all know that what Soto is doing after debuting at 19, 207 days is extraordinary. Even if Trout had been up for all of his age 20, Soto would still be more than a full year younger than when Trout started dominating baseball.
   22. dlf Posted: August 14, 2018 at 08:34 PM (#5726902)
Acuna, unless he keeps hitting leadoff homers every game ...


And whose to say he won't? Third straight game. Oofdah.
   23. Cooper Nielson Posted: August 15, 2018 at 05:58 AM (#5727003)
The easiest way is to find an instance of it and copy/paste. Otherwise, in most applications you can hold down ALT, while entering 02289 on your number pad with Num Lock on.

Or on a Mac it's the much easier to remember Option-'n' followed by 'n'.
   24. dlf Posted: August 15, 2018 at 07:09 AM (#5727010)
And a second homer in the game to make it eight in the last eight games. Enjoy this Acuña; I know I am.
   25. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: August 15, 2018 at 09:02 AM (#5727040)
Going into the year, I had Acuña as an average CF defensively - which is in the ballpark of what our small sample in the bigs (post 21) demonstrates.

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