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Wednesday, August 01, 2012

Rosenthal: Best trades that didn’t happen

Consider this fascinating change-of-scenery exchange that the Miami Marlins and New York Mets kicked around, according to major league sources:

Outfielder Jason Bay to the Marlins for reliever Heath Bell and catcher John Buck.

The deal never was close, sources said. But it would have enabled both clubs to purge players who are flopping miserably this season.

The money almost would have matched up, too — Bell and Buck are owed a few million more than Bay through the length of their contracts (Bell’s deal expires after 2014, Buck’s and Bay’s after 2013).

Fascinating must mean “crappy.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 01, 2012 at 05:53 PM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: brewers, francisco rodriguez, giants, heath bell, jake arrieta, jason bay, john buck, jonathan broxton, luke hochevar, marlins, mets, orioles, royals, trade rumors

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   1. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: August 01, 2012 at 07:32 PM (#4198484)
But the Marlins, according to one club that spoke with them, actually wanted as much as $2.5 million in a trade for Lee — even though they basically weren’t paying him anything.


Good old Marlins.
   2. Tripon Posted: August 01, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4198492)
What the hell is wrong with the Marlins?
   3. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: August 01, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4198504)
I know they've been bottom-line / profit obsessed basically since coming into existence, but they haven't always been this wacko in terms of player movement and general WTF-ness, right?
   4. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: August 01, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4198515)
That is the most awesome thing I've ever heard.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: August 01, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4198523)
they haven't always been this wacko in terms of player movement and general WTF-ness, right?

Well, no, at least not since Huizenga. But I think that's just because Loria hasn't really had the chance to do stuff this weird. Their previous MO was "OMG, we're gonna have to pay this guy more than $5 M, we need to trade him NOW" which was just considered standard "small market" behavior. This is really Loria's first chance to sell off "high-priced vets" so it's his first chance to do really weird stuff.

But, analogous to stadium public handouts, just because the Astros gave him Lee for free doesn't mean Lee has no value. It's like finding a baseball card worth $20 at somebody's garage sale -- not your fault they're selling it for a penny.
   6. The District Attorney Posted: August 01, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4198534)
Ugh. Yup, glad we stuck with Bay. What an odd sentence that is.
   7. Squash Posted: August 01, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4198540)
Consider this fascinating change-of-scenery exchange that the Miami Marlins and New York Mets kicked around, according to major league sources:

Outfielder Jason Bay to the Marlins for reliever Heath Bell and catcher John Buck.


What is fascinating about this trade? Bay hasn't been relevant for several years and Bell is on fumes. If this is the most fascinating trade that didn't happen then all the fascinating trades happened because this ain't much. Far more fascinating (as noted by several above) is the Marlin's desire to hold out for a fairly negligible amount of money rather than move Carlos Lee in a lost season.
   8. boteman is here Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4198594)
I swear, if Jeffrey Loria took his mother to an expensive Mother's Day brunch, he'd make her pay for it.
   9. MM1f Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:15 PM (#4198598)
This is an awesome piece.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:22 PM (#4198601)
As #7 suggests, this is an odd article. Here's one great line:

Buck, who is batting .168 with a .582 OPS, would have fulfilled the Mets’ desire to add a catcher

And this strange entry:

A week or so before the non-waiver deadline, the Milwaukee Brewers thought they were close to trading Francisco Rodriguez to the San Francisco Giants.

Rodriguez had just taken over for John Axford as the Brewers’ closer. Righty Brad Penny had just had a bad outing for the Giants. And then the Brewers went to Philadelphia, and K-Rod crumbled.

The Giants quickly backed off.


Brad Penny is back? Indeed he is but this whole section has me wondering what any of this has to do with Frank Tanana. The Giants have mainly used Penny in garbage time or late in extra inning games (he's come in the 11th or 12th inning 3 times in 10 appearances. Penny's presence in the pen might be a sign the Giants need relief help but a couple of poor performances in garbage time surely didn't. And I assume it wasn't K-Rod for Penny.

The one interesting tidbit is that Carlos Lee reportedly also rejected a trade to the Yankees.
   11. JJ1986 Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:24 PM (#4198602)
There was some mention of a Jacoby Ellsbury/Josh Beckett to Texas trade. That's much more interesting than broken closers shuffling around.
   12. JJ1986 Posted: August 01, 2012 at 11:35 PM (#4198603)
The Giants bullpen had been nails since the All Star Break until Friday. Santiago Casilla did blow a game on the 18th, but they won that by 5 runs. I assume Rosenthal is talking about the 22nd, but Penny was the 5th pitcher used in that game.
   13. bfan Posted: August 02, 2012 at 07:46 AM (#4198673)
I swear, if Jeffrey Loria took his mother to an expensive Mother's Day brunch, he'd make her pay for it.


Was Loria not the owner of the Marlins in the off-season? Didn't they invest in 3 high-priced free agents, about 7 months ago,all of whom are still on the team?
   14. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: August 02, 2012 at 08:28 AM (#4198685)
Was Loria not the owner of the Marlins in the off-season? Didn't they invest in 3 high-priced free agents, about 7 months ago,all of whom are still on the team?


Bell is only still on the team because no one would take him.
   15. bfan Posted: August 02, 2012 at 08:50 AM (#4198697)
Bell is only still on the team because no one would take him.


And even if that is true (as opposed to they could not get fair value for him), does that mean that Reyes and Buerhle do not exist, or that they were not signed in the off-season?
   16. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 02, 2012 at 08:54 AM (#4198701)
I swear, if Jeffrey Loria took his mother to an expensive Mother's Day brunch, he'd make the taxpayers pay for it.

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