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Tuesday, April 24, 2012

Rosenthal: Lincecum searching for Freak of old

Jeez…this makes it sound as if Tim is almost at a replacement’s level.

That’s what he did Monday, but it was, in Lincecum’s own words, “the definition of battling.” Oh, Lincecum struck out eight, four swinging, on 89-90 mph fastballs. He actually threw 66 percent fastballs, the most he could remember throwing in a game.

As for his lower velocities, Lincecum said he is fine pitching that way as long as he gets results, reasoning, “The hitters will tell you. Some guys throw 88 and it looks like 95. Some guys throw 95 and it doesn’t look as hard.”

True enough, but can you imagine the old Tim Lincecum saying that?

The old Tim Lincecum averaged 94 mph with his fastball in 2008, according to Fangraphs.com, declined to 92.4 and 91.2 in ’09 and ’10, then rebounded to 92.2 last season.

The current Tim Lincecum still possesses excellent breaking stuff, but one rival executive said the pitcher’s changeup and curveball lose effectiveness when they are thrown at speeds closer to his fastball.

“The secondary pitches, he still has ’em,” the executive said. “But they’re not as good now because he doesn’t have 95. There was a big gap between his fastball and changeup. Now, there is not much separation. It all kind of looks the same.”

Repoz Posted: April 24, 2012 at 05:56 AM | 6 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. boteman Posted: April 24, 2012 at 06:08 AM (#4114522)
The hitters will tell you

I'm afraid the hitters have spoken.
   2. puck Posted: April 24, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4114688)
“The secondary pitches, he still has ’em,” the executive said. “But they’re not as good now because he doesn’t have 95. There was a big gap between his fastball and changeup. Now, there is not much separation. It all kind of looks the same.”


Huh, the pitch/fx stuff on Fangraphs has his changeup and curve retaining their velocity. Is that unusual for a pitcher to lose mph off the fastball but not the change and curve?
   3. smileyy Posted: April 24, 2012 at 02:55 PM (#4114854)
Well, if the fastball is 100%, and the curve and change are, say, 85%, and he loses something off the top-end, its entirely possible he can still throw with the same motion and velocity on the lower end.
   4. Into the Void Posted: April 24, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4114887)
It's this velocity
I never get
That keep me searching
for the freak of old
And I'm getting old
Keeps me searching
for the freak of old
And I'm getting old.
   5. BWV 1129 Posted: April 24, 2012 at 05:40 PM (#4115102)
I use FIP as a predictor, not an evaluator, but Lincecum's FIP this year of 3.20 is right in line with last year's 3.17 and the 3.15 the year before that. He has been getting hit hard in what I've seen, but the ball's not going over the fence and his K:BB ratio is nearly 3:1. He's striking out guys as frequently as he has in the past (26.1% of batters vs. his career mark of 26.5%).

His XBH% is way up, more than double his career mark, and he's not getting as many IF popups. That's the swing right there, I bet. That could portend a real problem and/or bad luck thus far, but as long as he's healthy I'm putting more stock in the luck explanation for now.
   6. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: April 24, 2012 at 07:34 PM (#4115173)
It beats picking cotton and waiting to be forgotten.

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