The truth, though no one dares say it around the Mariners, is that hitting behind Ichiro isn’t easy. Ichiro’s goal is not to get on base, but to get on base with a hit, collect 200 hits a season. He is unpredictable, playing at his own rhythm. And when he starts an inning with a quick at-bat — Ichiro ranked near the bottom in pitches per plate appearance among leadoff men last season — the No. 2 hitter is in a difficult spot.
At that point, a rival hitting coach explained, the No. 2 hitter is almost forced to be patient, or the pitcher will stand a good chance of breezing through the inning. Someone has to work counts, especially in the first inning when pitchers often are at their most vulnerable. And that task shouldn’t fall to the No. 3 hitter.
...The numbers indicate Figgins has lost his way. He is chasing more pitches out of the strike zone than he did with the Angels, and his walk rate declined markedly in each of his first two seasons with the Mariners. Yet, Figgins maintains he still isn’t aggressive enough.
“Being in that spot and understanding that Ichiro is an aggressive player — that’s what makes him great — I need to understand that when he is aggressive, I need to be aggressive, too,” Figgins said. “A lot of times I get behind in the count too much.”
But isn’t patience his game?
“That’s the adjustment I have to understand and make,” Figgins said. “There were spots in 2010 and last year where I got better at it, got back on track because I was being more aggressive. I’m still having my patient tendencies. But at certain times, I have to be more aggressive. Early in the game, I have to be more aggressive.”
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1. CraigK Posted: February 10, 2012 at 07:02 AM (#4057815)Stick to breaking trades, Ken.
This seems like little more than re-arranging deck chairs. Ichiro saw 3.51 pitches per PA last year. Figgins saw 4.09. Figgins career best is 4.21. So, switching them hypothetically gains what, .2 pitches per PA max? 1 every 5 games?
When he was getting on base at a .380 clip, this distinction couldn't have made the slightest possible difference on earth. The pitcher isn't exactly breezing through an inning if Ichiro is jumping around taking his lead off first base, even if he's only thrown one pitch.
Conversely if Ichiro is a .310 OBP guy now, he doesn't belong at leadoff no matter how many pitches he starts taking.
I guess Craig put it more concisely with "hahahahaha" :)
Come again?
If you are a leadoff hitter but get better (develop power etc) you get moved down in the lineup and therefore end up with fewer plate appearances. Or if you are a relief pitcher who is promoted to "closer" you no longer pitch in tie games and your usage becomes restricted.
This article reminded me of those situations. Robo's thinking is that the way to respond to a hitter being unbelievably terrible (he hit worse than Dunn last year) is to give him MORE of your team's plate appearances.
And for his career, Figgins has hit exactly the same leading off innings as he has overall.
Most reporters are. They're more interesting in narrative than what actually happened, so they become bias in their selection. They need to just stick to the facts.
As in, write your own punchline.
EDIT: Not the sidebar, actually--the list of topics in the newsblog. My point remains.
Look, this would not be problem if this was 2009, it really wouldn't matter who lead off and who batted second.
:-)
The mariners' problem is that this is 2012, both players are far enough on the wrong side of 30 that you seriously have to consider that the dropoff from 2009 to 2010 and again from 2010-2011 is not random noise but real change in talent
the 6th best running gag on BBTF?
Oakland's chances of winning >70 games?
Yes it is. But the author was talking about total pitches seen in the first inning, implying a possible increase of the Chone + Ichiro pitches/PA by swapping the two. Well, his career high is 4.21, which is .12 more than last year. Assuming he can get back there, and Ichiro doesn't drop (wiping out any potential gain), the net increase is negligible.
If this is true, then there would be a difference between Ichiro-Chone and Chone-Ichiro, since (in theory) Ichiro wouldn't be "forced to be patient" since he's Ichiro.
I love "baseball logic", what a delicious bowl of crock.
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