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Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Roster Addition Day Thread

Moves are starting to come in now. White Sox, Braves and Reds additions are already posted.

JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 10:26 AM | 108 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 11:35 AM (#4306667)
As they're posted, you might want to list some interesting names that were left off.
   2. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4306708)
I think all three of these teams went overboard on protection and don't see much. There are some old AA relievers - Kyle Bellamy (White Sox), Mark Serrano and Brian Pearl (Reds) - who I kind of like but I seriously doubt any of them get considered by real teams.
   3. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4306710)
Reds add five pitchers (Corcino, Contreras, Guillon, Partch, Ravin) and OF Yorman Rodriguez, leaving a spot open. They left off RHP Nick Christiani and OFs Juan Duran, Theo Bowe and Josh Fellhauer. Christiani is one of my "personal cheeseballs", to quote BA's John Manuel. I like him more than the raw numbers indicate and think he could help someone in the pen out of Rule 5. Bowe is Billy Hamilton ultra-lite; he can fly and field but he doesn't have the bat to be anything more than 5th OF material. Duran can hit a ball a long way - when he hits it.

-- MWE
   4. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:16 PM (#4306722)
White Sox go to 38, adding Phegley, Mitchell, Rienzo, and Rodriguez. No one particularly interesting left off.

-- MWE
   5. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4306726)
Braves add C Bethancourt and Ps Spruill, Cory Rasmus, Hale, and Northcraft. They are at 36.

-- MWE
   6. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM (#4306727)
Mike's covered the Reds, but Braves added C Christian Bethancourt plus pitchers Zeke Spruill David Hale, Cory Ramsus and Aaron Northcraft. White Sox added pitchers Santos Rodriguez and Andre Riezno (who I really like), C Josh Phegley and former top prospect Jared Mitchell.

edit: too late.
   7. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:27 PM (#4306737)
Anybody here seen Gary Moran pitch? Yeah, I know he's older than dirt and had like fifty arm surgeries - I'm just curious.
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4306741)
Brewers' guys are in, BTW. They protected Bucci, Burgos, Khris Davis, and Scooter Gennett.

I'll admit to a measure of curiosity about Kyle Heckathorn as a full-time reliever, and if Scarpetta's rehab goes well, leaving him off could be dangerous.

And then there's the Kentrail Davis enigma...
   9. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4306743)
Brewers add 5 - Ps Nick Bucci and Hiram Burgos, OFs Khris Davis and Josh Prince and 2B Scooter Gennett.
   10. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4306746)
Prince, too? He's not listed on MLB's transaction page: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/transactions/index.jsp#month=11&year=2012
   11. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:34 PM (#4306747)
Prince, too? He's not listed on MLB's transaction page.


I got it from here.
   12. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:37 PM (#4306749)
Thanks, that seems pretty authoritative.

Guess MLB's web drones are just taking a coffee break.
   13. Topher Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4306756)
Looks like the Royals haven't announced the 40 yet on mlb.com, but they have announced signing Jeremy Guthrie to a contract.

Three years it seems.
   14. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:48 PM (#4306758)
White Sox go to 38, adding Phegley, Mitchell, Rienzo, and Rodriguez. No one particularly interesting left off.


Yet another advantage of not having any good prospects!
   15. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4306760)
I think the Brewer most likely to be picked is actually Zack Kroenke who they just signed as a minor league free agent.
   16. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4306761)
Really? Even if you restrict it to minor league FAs, I'm not sure I'd pick Kroenke over Asencio.

What's your reasoning? Is it just that he's a southpaw?
   17. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 12:57 PM (#4306764)
What's your reasoning? Is it just that he's a southpaw?


Mostly. Being left-handed and apparently there were multiple teams with real interest in signing him.
   18. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4306767)
Interesting - I hadn't heard that. Shows the value of info from the local market.

You think Kentrail's second-half surge represents real progress, or was it just a well-timed hot streak?
   19. Nasty Nate Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4306772)
What makes today Roster Addition Day? What deadline is today?
   20. morineko Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4306776)
If someone really needs an LH reliever out of the Brewers system, Daniel Meadows would be eligible. He had kind of an off year last year and he doesn't start, but he had a better 2011 than Lucas Luetge did and the Mariners took him....
   21. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4306777)
What makes today Roster Addition Day? What deadline is today?


The deadline to finalize rosters before the R5 draft. Deadline is 9 p.m. tonight, IIRC (which I may not).
   22. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:10 PM (#4306779)
What makes today Roster Addition Day? What deadline is today?


It's always November 20 (or the Monday after if November 20 is on the weekend). Anyone (eligible) not on a 40-man roster at the end of the day is available for the Rule 5 Draft
   23. Nasty Nate Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4306781)
Thanks guys. Does the Rule 5 draft happen next week?
   24. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:13 PM (#4306783)
Thanks guys. Does the Rule 5 draft happen next week?


It's usually on Thursday of the December meetings, so I'd guess it's December 6.
   25. The District Attorney Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4306804)
Addition?? This is why I hate sabermetrics!
   26. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4306826)
Deadline is 11:59 PM ET.

-- MWE
   27. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 02:03 PM (#4306831)
So the Brewers are now at 39.

Kentrail Davis is one of those guys about whom I made a mistake back when he was drafted; I really thought he'd be a lot better player than he's turned out to be, but the power just isn't there. He's a near-lock to be bypassed in Rule 5.

-- MWE
   28. zonk Posted: November 20, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4306838)
Cubs appear to already be at 39... and frankly, I could lop a couple off those already on the 40 man without sweating their loss too much.

   29. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 02:22 PM (#4306844)
I really thought he'd be a lot better player than he's turned out to be, but the power just isn't there.


I did, too, and that's why I'm so curious about his first/second half splits, and whether anyone who saw him play can weigh in. Pre-ASB, his ISO was .073, and post-ASB, his ISO was .182. It's probably just a fluke, but if it's not, he becomes interesting.

Too bad he's not playing winter ball anywhere.
   30. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 20, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4306851)
The Tigers released Ryan Raburn, clearing up a space on the 40-man.

The Mariners traded Trayvon Robinson to the Orioles for Robert Andino. Trayvon's a little old to be a prospect but on the surface, this seems like a nice move for Baltimore.
   31. Greg K Posted: November 20, 2012 at 02:53 PM (#4306861)
Jays DFA Mike McDade, Mike McCoy and Cory Wade to make room for Ryan Goins and AJ Jimenez on the roster.

Forgive my ignorance here, but
A) does that mean McDade is Rule 5 Eligible?
and
B) does he draw any interest?
   32. Brian C Posted: November 20, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4306863)
Cubs appear to already be at 39... and frankly, I could lop off most of those already on the 40 man without sweating their loss too much.

Fixed that for you.

But seriously, who are your top three picks to be lopped off? I submit that this is a tougher question that it first seems. Gerardo Concepcion sure looks like a waste of a roster space at this point, but it also seems unrealistic that he'll be cut. So maybe I'd say Coleman, Rusin, and one of either Valbuena or Stewart, since a case could arguably and contentiously be made for one or the other but not both.
   33. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 02:55 PM (#4306867)
B) does he draw any interest?


I doubt it. Most position players who get picked are guys who can play a bunch of positions.
   34. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4306869)
Forgive my ignorance here, but
A) does that mean McDade is Rule 5 Eligible?
and
B) does he draw any interest?


He was DFA'ed, which means that the Jays have ten days to trade him, release him, or put him on waivers. If they put him on waivers and he clears, he would then be eligible for the Rule 5 draft.

Of course, if a team were interested in him, they'd just claim him on waivers in the first place.
   35. Greg K Posted: November 20, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4306870)
Thanks for the input!
   36. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4306894)
Tigers add Bruce Rondon, Melvin Mercedes and Dixon Machado. I like Michael Morrison if he's not added later.
   37. zonk Posted: November 20, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4306917)
But seriously, who are your top three picks to be lopped off? I submit that this is a tougher question that it first seems. Gerardo Concepcion sure looks like a waste of a roster space at this point, but it also seems unrealistic that he'll be cut. So maybe I'd say Coleman, Rusin, and one of either Valbuena or Stewart, since a case could arguably and contentiously be made for one or the other but not both.


You've pretty much nailed 'em already -- Coleman, I suspect, is the consensus - if not unanimous - pick for "Why waste a roster spot on him?"

Whenever he fades into Porfi Altamirano-dom, Rusin seems poised to take his place... I see no need for either Stewart or Valbuena. Let Vitters get a full season of 150/180/220... or give the Rox a bag of sunflower seeds for Brandon Wood... or coax Andy Marte out of retirement... hold weekly fan tryout contests... whatever.

I'm not particularly high on Brooks Raley, either -- but I suppose he's bound to get some starts this year out of necessity, so I suppose there's no reason NOT to keep him on the 40 man in the absence of something better. I suppose he's left-handed, too...
   38. zonk Posted: November 20, 2012 at 03:58 PM (#4306923)
So, allowing that we've still got half a day to go, who's the consensus most likely to be available and best pick?

I hear a lot about the Rangers' Leury Garcia, who seems like the prototypical fast, powerless utility IF but just might have enough bat to stick, while it sounds like the Rangers simply don't have room or need for him.
   39. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4306938)
I like Michael Morrison if he's not added later.


Six walks per nine is pretty terrifying.
   40. Craig in MN Posted: November 20, 2012 at 04:46 PM (#4306968)
What's the draft order for the rule 5 draft this year? I assume it's basically the same as the amateur draft order, but I can't find it anywhere.
   41. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4306976)

What's the draft order for the rule 5 draft this year? I assume it's basically the same as the amateur draft order, but I can't find it anywhere.


Yes. Here is the draft order. The Rule 5 is the same except Pittsburgh doesn't get two picks.
   42. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4306990)
Royals add P Chris Dwyer, P Donnie Joseph, P John Lamb, P Justin Marks, P Mike Montgomery, and P Juan Gutierrez. They DFA C Adam Moore, P Vin Mazzarro, P Chris Volstad, P Ryan Verdugo, C Brayan Pena, 1B Clint Robinson and OF Derrick Robinson.

Nothing particularly interesting left off. Some fringy relievers: Buddy Baumann, Patrick Keating, Ryan Dennick, Brendan Lafferty, Bryan Paukovits, Leondy Perez, Sam Runion, Sugar Ray Marimon. Tim Melville was a prospect once upon a time. JC Sulbaran is a low ceiling starting pitcher.
   43. esseff Posted: November 20, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4306992)
Cardinals add pitchers Michael Blazek, Keith Butler, Eric Fornataro and Kevin Siegrist.

Earlier, they added pitcher Jorge Rondon before he could become a minor-league free agent, and released pitcher Brandon Dickson so he could pitch for Orix.

Players they're leaving exposed include Robert Stock, who was switched from catching to pitching last season; rhp Scott Gorgen, whose promising career was derailed by injury; center fielder Tommy Pham; 3b Roberto De La Cruz, who was a big free agent signing at 16; lhp Nick Additon; rhp Richard Castillo; and rhrp Adam Reifer, who was on the 40-man for a year or two but missed almost the entire 2011 season.

Cardinals are now at 39, but could jettison a guy like Barrett Browning if they need a spot for a free agent.
   44. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: November 20, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4306995)
Cubs site shows 37 on the 40 man not including camp who they just signed
   45. Craig in MN Posted: November 20, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4306996)
Thanks. That's what I had guessed. I predict the Twins will grab any plausible infielder that's available....Leury Garcia seems like a decent bet.

Here's the list, for those who don't want to click through:

Houston Astros
Chicago Cubs
Colorado Rockies
Minnesota Twins
Cleveland Indians
Miami Marlins
Boston Red Sox
Kansas City Royals
Toronto Blue Jays
New York Mets
Seattle Mariners
San Diego Padres
Pittsburgh Pirates
Arizona Diamondbacks
Philadelphia Phillies
Milwaukee Brewers
Chicago White Sox
Los Angeles Dodgers
St. Louis Cardinals
Detroit Tigers
Los Angeles Angels
Tampa Bay Rays
Baltimore Orioles
Texas Rangers
Oakland Athletics
San Francisco Giants
Atlanta Braves
New York Yankees
Cincinnati Reds
Washington Nationals
   46. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4307004)
P Juan Gutierrez.


The Juan Gutierrez?
   47. The District Attorney Posted: November 20, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4307016)
No, just a Juan Gutierrez, didn't you hear they come in six-packs?
   48. zonk Posted: November 20, 2012 at 05:28 PM (#4307019)
Cubs site shows 37 on the 40 man not including camp who they just signed


Do they have Baker and Zach Putnam (recently claimed off waivers from the rox) and Dionner Navarro? MLB.com has them at 39 - and the list looks right...
   49. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4307040)
Fornataro's an interesting guy. He was converted to the bullpen this year at AA after pitching not-especially-well as a starter, and got himself onto the Cardinals' radar by adapting well to the role. He's a groundball guy - his money pitches are a sinker and a down-breaking curveball - and it would not surprise me at all if he became the next out-of-nowhere bullpen arm for the Cardinals.

Stock's conversion went OK for the most part (less than a hit per inning and nearly a K per inning), but like a lot of guys who are converting he had a lot of trouble throwing strikes (6 BB per 9 plus 11 HBP in 71 innings). It's not a surprise that he was left off the 40-man, and I don't think he'll be claimed; he really needs innings in the minors.

-- MWE
   50. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 05:50 PM (#4307053)
Marlins add Kyle Skipworth, Kyle Jensen, Marcell Ozuna, and Edgar Olmos. Skipworth is a former #1 pick who has yet to make contact consistently in the minors but who did manage 21 HRs for Jacksonville a year ago. Frankly, if he weren't a #1 pick he'd have been released a long time ago. Jensen's an outfielder with a power bat who struggled in his first full exposure to AA. Like Skipworth, he has a lot of swing-and-miss. Unlike Skipworth, he has hit at lower levels. Olmos throws hard but has control issues; I think he would have been a likely pick for someone in Rule 5 had he been left off.

Pirates add Tony Sanchez, Victor Black, Phil Irwin, Ramon Cabrera, and Hunter Strickland. The first four were no-brainers, more or less. Strickland was picked up in the Adam LaRoche deal in 2009, and frankly hasn't done much of anything to show that he's worthy of a 40-man spot, missing all of 2011 with a rotator cuff injury and throwing only 88 so-so innings last year at two levels.

-- MWE
   51. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 05:56 PM (#4307055)
Kyle Skipworth


There's a name I never thought I'd see again. Can't believe he's only 22.
   52. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:03 PM (#4307063)
Baltimore added Jonathan Schoop and Mike Belfiore. No surprises there. Belfiore was the guy they got from Arizona for Josh Bell. O's also removed Oliver Drake from the roster and sent him to Norfolk.

-- MWE
   53. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:07 PM (#4307066)
The White Sox also added P Charlie Shirek.

-- MWE
   54. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:10 PM (#4307070)
Mike, why do so many people think that Gift Ngoepe is eligible? The rule seems pretty clear to me...
   55. PepTech Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:16 PM (#4307073)
Marlins add Kyle Skipworth, Kyle Jensen, Marcell Ozuna, and Edgar Olmos

What does that put them at, 26 guys?
   56. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:20 PM (#4307076)
since he seems to be well liked around here, i just thought i'd mention that the manager of the clearwater phillies is chris truby.
   57. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:22 PM (#4307078)
Of the guys the Orioles left off, the interesting ones are Bobby Bundy (more because he's Dylan's brother), Tim Bascom, and Brandon Waring. Bascom's been mostly at AA since 2009, pitching pretty well for the most part, but his only extended stint at AAA didn't go well and he's been buried ever since. Waring is another minor-league power/strikeout hitter who can't really play 3B (his listed position) and who probably doesn't have enough bat for 1B.

-- MWE
   58. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:26 PM (#4307080)
Mike, why do so many people think that Gift Ngoepe is eligible? The rule seems pretty clear to me...


I have no idea, my take on the rule is the same as yours. The only thing that I can think of is that he did make a cameo appearance in instructs in 2008 after he signed - was that enough?

-- MWE
   59. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:39 PM (#4307087)
The only thing that I can think of is that he did make a cameo appearance in instructs in 2008 after he signed - was that enough?


I wouldn't think so, but I'll admit that I could be wrong.

The very fact that they didn't roster him would seem to imply that he wasn't eligible, since leaving him out there would be crazy. He'd get taken in a snap.
   60. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:40 PM (#4307089)
From the Orioles, I kind of like Tyler Townsend, but corner bats almost never get taken, even if they don't have his injury history.
   61. Danny Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:44 PM (#4307091)
A's add Grant Green, Michael Ynoa, Arnold Leon, and Shane Peterson.

Andrew Carignan outrighted; Brandon Hicks and Jim Miller DFA.
   62. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:47 PM (#4307095)
The very fact that they didn't roster him would seem to imply that he wasn't eligible, since leaving him out there would be crazy. He'd get taken in a snap.


I'm not so sure. Ngoepe is exactly the type of player who would probably be hurt more than helped by a Rule 5 selection (think Abraham Nunez). He struggled to make consistent contact in high-A last year, and he is still very raw for a 22-YO.

BTW, for those who care - it's pronounced en-WEE-pay.

-- MWE
   63. geonose Posted: November 20, 2012 at 06:50 PM (#4307098)
@RoyalsRetro
Not that it matters, but Royals released Paukovits some weeks back.

@Mike Emeigh
Thanks for the pronunciation; I had wondered. (And wow, was I wrong!)
   64. geonose Posted: November 20, 2012 at 07:00 PM (#4307106)
Mike, based on the Ngoepe comments, I'll bet you know the answer to something I've wondered: Can you please explain to me why Yordano Ventura isn't eligible? I've asked lots of "experts" and nobody seems to know. He signed in October 2008 at age 17; the rule on the face of it would seem to imply that he's eligible this year. Is there a different rule for international signings?
   65. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 07:01 PM (#4307108)
Ngoepe is exactly the type of player who would probably be hurt more than helped by a Rule 5 selection (think Abraham Nunez).


I agree, but I think he'd get taken anyway.
   66. Davo Dozier Posted: November 20, 2012 at 07:02 PM (#4307110)
Kyle Shipworth is a monster in my OOTP simulations.
   67. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 07:03 PM (#4307111)
Twins add Aaron Hicks, Kyle Gibson, Danny Santana, Josmil Pinto, Caleb Thielbar, B.J. Hermsen, Michael Tonkin and Tim Wood. Wood was just signed to a minor-league deal.

-- MWE
   68. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4307114)
Can you please explain to me why Yordano Ventura isn't eligible? I've asked lots of "experts" and nobody seems to know. He signed in October 2008 at age 17; the rule on the face of it would seem to imply that he's eligible this year. Is there a different rule for international signings?


I'm not Mike, but here's my understanding: If he didn't sign until October, then he didn't sign until after the end of the 2008 minor league season, and for that reason 2008 doesn't count as one of his five protected seasons. He was an 18-and-under signee, so he gets five years, and 2013 will be his fifth.

It's not a different rule for international signings - draft-and-follow players used to be treated the same way, and college seniors (who have an exemption) signing after the deadline still would be.
   69. geonose Posted: November 20, 2012 at 07:07 PM (#4307117)
Thanks, Vlad - I had always heard that it went by calendar year. Going by minor league season is hugely different.
   70. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 07:11 PM (#4307119)
Yankees add Ramon Flores, Brett Marshall, Jose Ramirez, Manny Banuelos, Francisco Rondon and Nik Turley.
   71. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 07:13 PM (#4307122)
Can you please explain to me why Yordano Ventura isn't eligible? I've asked lots of "experts" and nobody seems to know. He signed in October 2008 at age 17; the rule on the face of it would seem to imply that he's eligible this year.


I don't know. The rule isn't any different for international signings to the best of my understanding.

-- MWE
   72. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 07:14 PM (#4307125)
Phillies: OF Zach Collier, Ethan Martin, Trevor May, Jonathan Pettibone

-- MWE
   73. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 07:18 PM (#4307128)
Ventura signed in October 2008 and as far as I can find didn't participate in any organizational activities until 2009. He was under 18 as of June 5, 2008, so he's protected for five seasons. I literally don't know for sure whether 2008 counts or not; I have seen at least one reference which says that under the recent CBA the clock starts when you sign, not when you first play.

-- MWE
   74. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4307147)
Astros: Jonathan Villar, Robbie Grossman, Jose Cisnero, Jarred Cosart, Chia-Jen Lo, Ross Seaton, Brett Oberholtzer

-- MWE
   75. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 08:03 PM (#4307148)
Angels: Travis Witherspoon, Ryan Brasier, Brandon Sisk

-- MWE
   76. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 08:05 PM (#4307149)
Indians: Tim Fedroff, Trey Haley, CC Lee, T.J. House

-- MWE
   77. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4307154)
Houston left Jason Stoffel off, which is a little bit of a surprise. Stoffel was picked up from the Giants in the Jeff Keppinger deal and had a pretty good season as Corpus Christi's closer. He's a prime candidate to be picked up by someone in Rule 5.

-- MWE
   78. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 20, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4307161)
Brian LaHair DFA'd. He may be going to Japan.
   79. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 20, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4307162)
Hiroki Kuroda re-signing with Yankees for 1 year/$15M + incentives <$1M. Good news, especially if Pettitte follows suit.
   80. Brian C Posted: November 20, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4307166)
Cubs have also traded Jake Brigham back to Texas for Barret Loux, which opens another spot on the 40-man.
   81. WillYoung Posted: November 20, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4307167)
The Twins used all forty spots so they'll have to drop a player or two (I'm looking at you, Butters) if they want to take someone in the draft in a few weeks.

Anthony Slama left unprotected.
   82. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 20, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4307175)
Barret Loux sounds like a good get for the Cubs. He was the 6th overall pick two years ago. Has his stock fallen that much?
   83. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4307180)
Barret Loux sounds like a good get for the Cubs. He was the 6th overall pick two years ago. Has his stock fallen that much?


Well, he *is* 22-6 in his minor league career, including 14-1 with Frisco last year :)

Loux, of course, is the former Arizona first rounder who didn't sign because of a torn labrum and elbow damage discovered during his pre-signing physical. The D'backs withdrew his contract offer, preferring the #7 pick the following year. Ordinarily he'd have had to go back into the draft, but MLB declared him a free agent instead and he signed with Texas. (Under the new CBA, teams can't do this any more; they have to offer at least 40% of the pool value or they lose the pick and the pool money.)

Loux's stock hasn't dropped all that much, but I suspect the Rangers were concerned about either the shoulder or the elbow going out. Loux has chosen not to have surgery on either.

-- MWE
   84. clowns to the left of me; STEAGLES to the right Posted: November 20, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4307181)
Barret Loux sounds like a good get for the Cubs. He was the 6th overall pick two years ago. Has his stock fallen that much?
i think he was viewed as a reach at the time, and then when his shoulder got redflagged by the diamondbacks, his stock fell off a cliff.
   85. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4307183)
Rangers add Leury Garcia and Joe Ortiz, in addition to Brigham. According to ESPN Dallas, the Brigham deal was made because Brigham got hurt right after being traded for Geovany Soto.

-- MWE
   86. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4307184)
Dodgers add Steven Ames and Matt Magill.

-- MWE
   87. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 20, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4307185)
Thanks gents. Knew about his peculiar draft/FA status, but not about the double whammy that is his shoulder and elbow problems. I still think it's a nifty move by the Cubs.
   88. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4307186)
Rockies add Joe Gardner, Cristhian Adames, and Tim Wheeler, outright Andrew Brown and Matt McBride (Lehigh guy).

-- MWE
   89. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 20, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4307201)
Dodgers add Steven Ames and Matt Magill.


His name was Magill, but he called himself Lil, and everyone knew him as Nancy?
   90. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 09:58 PM (#4307202)
Indians outrighted Matt LaPorta and Brent Lillibridge to AAA. Lillibridge can refuse the assignment.

-- MWE
   91. puck Posted: November 20, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4307207)
Cristhian Adames

Huh, never heard of him. 20 yr old shorstop at high A Modesto. 2 HR, .098 ISO and 4 SB, is he a supposed to be a great fielder?
   92. Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band. Posted: November 20, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4307208)
note on lahair, something i mention on this site at least annually - his massive platoon split wasn't entirely a fluke - he often had insane splits in the minors as well. (this is part of my 'we should consider minor league #s and other factors when we regress to the mean' speech.)
   93. Brian C Posted: November 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM (#4307213)
Cubs also outright Carlos Gutierrez.

Add Logan Watkins, Trey McNutt, Christian Villanueva, Robert Whitenack.

Whitenack? Didn't see that one coming.
   94. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4307217)
According to Conor Glassey of Baseball America (responding to a tweet from me), Ngoepe still has a year to go. BA should know :)

-- MWE
   95. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 20, 2012 at 10:49 PM (#4307225)
Whitenack? Didn't see that one coming.


I'm actually not surprised. Whitenack had TJ in the summer of 2011 and last year can be written off (more or less) to the recovery process. He was pretty doggoned good before that. Watkins is another one of those speed/average/not much power guys who is more likely to be a utility guy in the majors than a regular, and who probably was low risk of being claimed, but it's really hard to leave someone with his speed off the 40-man.

-- MWE
   96. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4307226)
Is Nick Struck eligible? He'd be right at the top of my board.
   97. DL from MN Posted: November 20, 2012 at 11:02 PM (#4307230)
Twins also did not protect Deduno. He's an interesting flier.
   98. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: November 20, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4307232)
Chone Figgins DFA'd.
   99. JJ1986 Posted: November 20, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4307233)
Rays and Red Sox are not added yet. Anyone else missing?
   100. Brian C Posted: November 20, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4307234)
Whitenack had TJ in the summer of 2011 and last year can be written off (more or less) to the recovery process. He was pretty doggoned good before that.

Was he? Perhaps this is a case where the stats don't really tell the story, but he looks like a guy with decent-but-not-great BB rates and very low K rates even before his injury. Granted, he had a good start to 2011 before his injury, although his peripherals upon promotion to AA were not all that special. But overall he looks like a common talent who's already pretty old not to have reached AAA.

Saying that he has potential is one thing. I have no knowledge to evaluate that statement one way or the other. But saying that he was already "doggoned good" before the injury? I don't see it.
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