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Friday, May 03, 2013

Roy Halladay Says Mitch Williams ‘Completely Out of Line’

Neck Twitch Of The Death Nerve Strikes Again!

Mitch Williams appeared on 94.1 WIP this morning and ripped into Phillies pitching coach Rich Dubee, saying the Phillies need a new man for the job.

He said Roy Halladay‘s problems were a simple mechanical fix that Dubee simply could not find. He mentioned an encounter he had with Dubee in Spring Training, when Dubee yelled at him for trying to talk to his pitchers, although he claimed that did not make his criticism this morning personal. Williams, the former Phillies closer who currently is an analyst for MLB Network, also said he showed Kyle Kendrick his current change up grip, which has brought him great success. Kendrick denied that. It’s been well known Kendrick gives credit to former pitcher Justin Lehr, who learned the grip from Tim Hudson.

“He didn’t like the fact that I spoke with his pitchers at all about anything,” Williams told Angelo Cataldi. “It may be time for a new voice.”

Halladay answered back before tonight’s game at Citizens Bank Park.

“Coming from the mechanical wonder,” Halladay said. “Yeah, I strong disagree. To come from a guy who’s not around, who’s not involved. He’s not involved in the conversations … honestly has no idea what’s going on. He really doesn’t. He has no idea what’s going on in the clubhouse, on the field between coaches and players. To make comments like that, it’s completely out of line. It really is….

...“I’ve heard him criticize a lot of guys for mechanics,” Halladay said. “For a guy who’s never been a pitching coach, I wouldn’t do that. I wouldn’t go and look at any player in the Major Leagues and say, well, he should do it this way. I just don’t understand where that comes from. I really don’t. Former players, there were guys that had certain success doing it certain ways. There’s no one way to do things. To think that you know the one way to do it is a little bit arrogant. … What matters is your success and how guys get it done. It’s not mechanical. It’s a matter of confidence. There’s a lot of things that go into it. I really just feel he’s wrong on this one. I’m sure he’s not a bad guy. I’m sure he’s trying to do the best he can at his job, but I really feel like he was kind of off the mark on this one.”

Repoz Posted: May 03, 2013 at 06:07 PM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Effervesoteric Posted: May 03, 2013 at 06:35 PM (#4433386)
In a Deathmatch of Annoyingness which irritating ex-closer wins, Mitch Williams or Rob Dibble?

I still take Dibble.
   2. Guapo Posted: May 03, 2013 at 06:42 PM (#4433392)
Pennants as a Phillie:

Mitch Williams: 1
Roy Halladay: 0

Advantage, Mitch Williams
   3. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: May 03, 2013 at 07:08 PM (#4433417)
Dibble:Williams :: shot:stabbed
   4. silhouetted by the sea Posted: May 03, 2013 at 07:14 PM (#4433424)
In a Deathmatch of Annoyingness which irritating ex-closer wins, Mitch Williams or Rob Dibble?

I assume that Gossage gets to take on the winner?
   5. Effervesoteric Posted: May 03, 2013 at 07:17 PM (#4433427)
I assume that Gossage gets to take on the winner?
Most assuredly. If this were the original arcade Mortal Kombat, Dibble would be Goro but Gossage would be Shang Tsung.
   6. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: May 03, 2013 at 07:17 PM (#4433429)
“Coming from the mechanical wonder,” Halladay said.

Well played, Roy.
   7. Gamingboy Posted: May 03, 2013 at 07:18 PM (#4433430)
Pennants as a Phillie:

Mitch Williams: 1
Roy Halladay: 0

Advantage, Mitch Williams


Yeah, but did Roy Halladay give up a World Series-ending HR?

I thought not.
   8. AJMcCringleberry Posted: May 03, 2013 at 07:23 PM (#4433433)
Mitch Williams is one of the few things that is wrong with MLB Network.
   9. Greg K Posted: May 03, 2013 at 07:24 PM (#4433435)
I just watched Game Six of the 1993 World Series two days ago. So I have a hard time feeling anything negative for Mitch Williams right now.
   10. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: May 03, 2013 at 07:24 PM (#4433436)
I still take Dibble.

Agreed. Williams has been gaining ground but Dibble still has a comfortable cushion.
   11. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: May 03, 2013 at 08:37 PM (#4433519)
I just watched Game Six of the 1993 World Series two days ago. So I have a hard time feeling anything negative for Mitch Williams right now.

I never blamed Williams, that was on Fregosi. Williams' arm had been shot for a month, Fregosi hid behind the "he's my closer" excuse.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 03, 2013 at 08:51 PM (#4433527)
“For a guy who’s never been a pitching coach . . .

You'd think a Phamous Phillie would be Phamiliar with the the Atlantic City Surf.
   13. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: May 03, 2013 at 08:54 PM (#4433529)
I agree with [6]. That's a great line.
   14. smileyy Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:08 PM (#4433549)

In a Deathmatch of Annoyingness which irritating ex-closer wins, Mitch Williams or Rob Dibble?


How about a deathmatch with baseballs? One of them has to eventually have the control to hit the other, and when they do, Dibble will have thrown harder.
   15. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:17 PM (#4433561)
The Mechanical Wonder! That's beautiful. Sounds like replacement-level sidekick.
   16. zonk Posted: May 03, 2013 at 09:42 PM (#4433582)
The Mechanical Wonder! That's beautiful. Sounds like replacement-level sidekick.


I guess that would make John Kruk Fatman?
   17. tshipman Posted: May 03, 2013 at 11:03 PM (#4433673)
I guess that would make John Kruk Fatman?


No a lifetime of poor diet choices made John Kruk Fatman.
   18. KJOK Posted: May 03, 2013 at 11:15 PM (#4433688)
Mechanical Wonder indeed!

Mitch Williams Pitching Mechanics
   19. jdennis Posted: May 03, 2013 at 11:15 PM (#4433689)
Experience as a pitcher can sub for lack of being a pitching coach when criticizing mechanics, I disagree with Halladay here.
   20. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: May 04, 2013 at 12:57 AM (#4433726)
Mechanical Wonder indeed!


You look at that and wonder how he ever fielded his position. His glove was primarily used to hold his big ass up.

EDIT:
Roy Halladay: 2719.1 IP, 14 Errors
Mitch Williams:691.1 IP, 17 Errors
   21. Rough Carrigan Posted: May 04, 2013 at 11:18 AM (#4433891)
There was an instance last year on MLB network where they were talking about some pitcher's mechanics and Mitch Williams went on about how he was doing some particular thing wrong in 2012 that hadn't been a problem at all in 2011. So, they rolled some footage of that pitcher and Mitch went on excitedly, "See, he's doing X". And then they showed another piece of footage and Mitch and the other guy both realized that the first clip was from 2011 when Mitch said he *hadn't* been doing X (whatever it was).
   22. Padraic Posted: May 04, 2013 at 11:40 AM (#4433900)
I heard that interview with Cataldi, and it was pretty amazing. I tend to actually believe Mitch's "it's mechanical" over the confidence argument on Halladay, and Williams at least claimed that the mechanical issue (which, I think, had to do with Halladay's landing point) was clear and obvious. Without having seen the tape in question, it's hard to know, but Williams is either absolutely right or just completely making things up. Perhaps that '93 Phils team had more self-delusion than we thought, but it would be amazing that he would just make stuff like teaching Kendrick a changeup...

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