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Thursday, May 13, 2010

Royals Fire Hillman, Hire Yost

Walking papers/Not the Walking Man.

The Kansas City Royals today dismissed Trey Hillman from his role as manager and he will be replaced immediately by Ned Yost, as announced by Dayton Moore, Royals Senior Vice President of Baseball Operations and General Manager following Thursday’s game with Cleveland.

Hillman, 47, compiled a 151-207 record in two-plus seasons at the helm. Kansas City was his first Major League managerial assignment after spending five seasons (2003-2007) with the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters in Japan’s Pacific League, highlighted by three post-season appearances.

Yost, 55, joined the Royals as a Special Advisor to Baseball Operations on January, 13, 2010. He was manager of the Milwaukee Brewers from 2003-08, compiling a 457-502 record (.477 winning pct.) before being relieved of his duties on September 15, 2008. Yost had a combined 166-146 ledger his last two seasons at the helm in Milwaukee.

Thanks to WSPanic.

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   1. Tripon Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:28 PM (#3531952)
Royals fire crap, hire crap.
   2. The Fallen Reputation of Billy Jo Robidoux Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:31 PM (#3531958)
(Argh - I must have been a minute later in submitting this story). Yost is just more AAAA filler to fill out the ranks.
   3. Tripon Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:33 PM (#3531962)
How much would it take to get Bobby Valentine to manage the Royals?
   4. JoeHova Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:36 PM (#3531967)
Yost is an atrocious manager. Many people will give him credit for "developing young players" but I'm extremely skeptical that he had anything to do with Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder becoming great hitters. Maybe he did though, who knows?
   5. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:36 PM (#3531969)
Rany and Pos both called this. How much longer does Moore have, assuming no improvement? End of 2011?
   6. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:38 PM (#3531973)
Ned does create a good atmosphere for young players that is conducive to them getting their sea legs and being established in the major leagues. He's a positive guy.

The negatives are as follows:

--he does not recognize talent. He has to be told who to play or you will have the hustle and show guys up and down the lineup

--He cannot discipline veteran players. Young guys will listen to him but older guys with an attitude give Ned fits and having them on his team will cause his authority to be undermined. The GM has to make sure that the vets are 'good soldiers'

--Ned couldn't manage a bullpen to save his life. He will burn out arms faster than Leyland goes through a carton of Camels. It's incredible.


I will state that Alex Gordon probably has the best bet to get his career back on-line with Ned as manager IF the GM tells Ned to play him. Ned will put him in the lineup and tell everyone within hearing range that Alex is a hard-workig young man who just needs a chance so everyone get out there and give Alex a lot of support and let's hold hands and go "Yoo-hoo" together. Yayyyyyyyy, TEAM!!
   7. Cris E Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:38 PM (#3531974)
Hey now, Yost is proven crap. We're done messing around with amateur hour...

The problems are deeper than a Bobby Valentine strategic solution. I think a Buck Showalter call might make more sense.
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:39 PM (#3531978)
I don't doubt that Yost is probably a terrible manager, but I'm pretty sure no matter who they would have hired would have been met with "that guy sucks."
   9. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:39 PM (#3531979)
Joe:

Ned's rep with young players is very solid. He obviously has his flaws but his few strengths can be identified.
   10. Mike Webber Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:40 PM (#3531981)
I will state that Alex Gordon probably has the best bet to get his career back on-line with Ned as manager IF the GM tells Ned to play him. Ned will put him in the lineup and tell everyone within hearing range that Alex is a hard-workig young man who just needs a chance so everyone get out there and give Alex a lot of support and let's hold hands and go "Yoo-hoo" together. Yayyyyyyyy, TEAM!!


If that is all we get from Ned Yost he will be the best manager the Royals have had since Hal McRae.
   11. Mike Webber Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:41 PM (#3531984)
AG#1,
Who is your short list of managers you would like?
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:43 PM (#3531987)
he does not recognize talent.


Once we trade Greinke, this shouldn't be a problem in KC as we have no talent.
   13. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:44 PM (#3531990)
I don't doubt that Yost is probably a terrible manager, but I'm pretty sure no matter who they would have hired would have been met with "that guy sucks."
If you didn't suck as a manager, would you take the Kansas City job?

The Royals can either appoint an unknown trying to prove himself (as Hillman was), or a flawed retread. They've opted for the latter, but they have chosen a guy who's had a degree of success, has some identifiable strengths (as Harveys says) and who was already in the organisation so should know the players' strengths and weaknesses.
   14. aberg Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:44 PM (#3531991)
Hey now, Yost is proven crap. We're done messing around with amateur hour...


Yost is basically the Scott Podsednik of managers, so this move fits.
   15. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:47 PM (#3531997)
Who is your short list of managers you would like?


I'm probably the wrong guy to ask since I endorsed Hillman because I read an article about how he liked the big inning and didn't like to bunt or give away outs.

That's the problem. We don't really know what these guys are like. There are precious few articles asking managers about strategy, and even fewer for guys that have never managed in the big leagues. I just did a huge write up at Royals Review on potential candidates, but the truth is, its hard to know how any of them will be as managers. All the fired managers have the exact same criticism from their fans - they mishandle the pen, they play vets too much, they bunt too much, they bunt too little. And all the guys that haven't gotten chances yet are pretty much blank slates.

So I'd like a guy that is willing to try innovative ideas, against conventional wisdom. I'd like a manager who doesn't give away outs. I'd like a manager that is willing to use his best reliever in the toughest situations. I really have no idea who out there fits that bill.
   16. Mike Webber Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:48 PM (#3531998)
Okay here is my short list,

Willie Randolph
Clint Hurdle
   17. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:49 PM (#3532001)
Davey Johnson

But Yost is several deviations away from awful when it comes to bullpen management. He takes inept to levels previously unseen by modern man.
   18. Tripon Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:51 PM (#3532005)
Sign Jim Tracy.
   19. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:51 PM (#3532006)
Guys that seem to have qualities I would like:

Tony DeFrancesco - has been with the A's forever. I would guess he buys into a lot of their philosophies
Mike Hargrove - has plenty of managerial experience, seems to be okay with outside the box bullpen usage
Dave Martinez - may not be ready yet, but he seems to be Joe Maddon's right hand man, and I love Joe Maddon
Eric Wedge - thought he did an okay job in Cleveland, seems to be a hand off kind of manager
Rick Anderson - Twins are always the best at throwing strikes, which we need to develop here with our pitchers

Here is my write-up of candidates.

But like I said, its hard to really gauge how any of them would handle the Royals without interviewing them and its hard to see them succeeding with Dayton as GM.
   20. OlePerfesser Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:52 PM (#3532007)
One thing to keep in mind is that people (some of them, anyway) learn from their mistakes.

Terry Francona got a lot of heat in Philly (well, of course, everyone gets a lot of heat in Philly), but apparently figured out some things that he has employed on his next gig. That, or it's just easier to manage a $140M roster.

But it's possible that Yost might have worked on some things since getting fired. And maybe Hillman could yet be successful in MLB. Who knows? (Maybe some young sabermetrician will research how many MGRs flame out in their first job, and nevertheless put together decent records when they geta nother chance.)

...Pollyanna out.
   21. J.C. Bradbury Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:53 PM (#3532009)
So apparently, manging the Royals is the fallback position when a county refuses to fund your high school scouting complex.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:55 PM (#3532011)
Dave Trembley, you are on notice.
   23. SBB, Live from the Alt-Center Posted: May 13, 2010 at 09:59 PM (#3532018)
Can someone please come in and make the Pirates and Royals at least competent? (**)

Please?

(**) Obviously the GM, having given Hillman this roster of dogs, has no business scapegoating the manager but that's baseball. Jim Tracy turned the Rockies around but honestly, the odds that Ned Yost turns the Royals into anything more than they would have been under Hillman is pretty low.
   24. Zach Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:07 PM (#3532026)
I kind of liked Clint Hurdle in Colorado. When they had the miraculous comeback in 2007, he did a good job of firing every bullet he had in the chamber.

I wish there were a good way of quantifying bullpen management. It seems like every team's fans seethe about how terribly their guy manages the bullpen. Who knows, maybe they're all right.

Managing the Royals is going to be a thankless job until the minor league pipeline starts delivering players to the major leagues.

Ned does create a good atmosphere for young players that is conducive to them getting their sea legs and being established in the major leagues. He's a positive guy.

Hillman ran into some trouble for having a dour personality and no previous major league experience. Since you're probably not going to get the cream of the crop for an interim spot, it makes sense to go for a change in tone.

I felt like the last few Royals managers stuck around far past the point where the end was inevitable. I don't bear Hillman any ill will, but I'm glad they didn't let things get too toxic this time.
   25. Zach Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:13 PM (#3532032)
(from AG1F's link)

Despite his bullpen's utter disintegration over the previous six weeks, despite his veteran starter being in command, despite the obvious need to minimize using obviously exhausted pitchers, Yost put "The Plan" ahead of the obvious. Unfortunately, Yost managed his bullpen like a man in a body cast trying to scratch a 'personal itch'; he kept flailing around seeking relief but had no idea how to manage it.

-John Brattain, Hardball Times


What a gem. Best regards, John.
   26. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM (#3532034)
Ole:

Ned Yost is one stubborn son of a b*tch. Part of me admires his commitment to his beliefs but J*sus H Chr*st doing the same d*mn thing over with the same dumb results is pretty maddening.

Ned never got fazed. Just stuck to his guns........................
   27. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM (#3532036)
I love the Onion. Where else could you read stuff this wacky?
   28. Rough Carrigan Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM (#3532038)
Eric Wedge is a hands off manager? Really? Wasn't he the guy who insisted that his players wear suits when traveling? Maybe that was an isolated off field thing but if not . . .
   29. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:17 PM (#3532039)
Dave Martinez - may not be ready yet, but he seems to be Joe Maddon's right hand man, and I love Joe Maddon

When Martinez and Ryne Sandberg both have managerial gigs, I wanna see them mix it up on the field as Ryno seeks vengeance for the Cindy thing.
   30. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:21 PM (#3532042)
When someone's Missing the Point Entirely, chances are that person's working for the Royals.

I mean, Hurricane Katrina was a mess at all levels of government, but Moore would have called in for a fleet of submarines. His response to the banking crisis would be to put the dollar on a one-to-one parity with waffles.
   31. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:21 PM (#3532043)
I kind of liked Clint Hurdle in Colorado. When they had the miraculous comeback in 2007, he did a good job of firing every bullet he had in the chamber.

I wish there were a good way of quantifying bullpen management.


The Rockies have had very good bullpens under both Hurdle and Tracy, despite them being made up mostly of retreads and non-prospects. I'd give Bob Apodaca a lot of credit for that.
   32. Perry Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:23 PM (#3532046)
Without knowing much about the Royals, I think Hurdle could be a good choice. Not a tactical genius, but a positive guy, a people person, and obviously he's got some track record patiently developing -- and when the time comes, having confidence in using -- young players (Holliday, Tulo, Ubaldo, Corpas, Morales, Hawpe, Stewart, etc.) Plus he was a young Royals phenom himself back in the day.
   33. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:25 PM (#3532049)
The negatives are as follows:

--he does not recognize talent. He has to be told who to play or you will have the hustle and show guys up and down the lineup

--He cannot discipline veteran players. Young guys will listen to him but older guys with an attitude give Ned fits and having them on his team will cause his authority to be undermined. The GM has to make sure that the vets are 'good soldiers'

--Ned couldn't manage a bullpen to save his life. He will burn out arms faster than Leyland goes through a carton of Camels. It's incredible.


Don't forget the palpable anxiety he seems to radiate. Manny Acta he ain't.
   34. Zach Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:27 PM (#3532051)
Whatever happened to the old-school manipulative ##### school of managing?

One thing I always wonder is why more managers don't read "The Book" or its like, just out of a compulsive desire to improve the things they have control over.

It's been too long since the Royals had a manager who looked for an edge. Most of the recent guys just tried to keep an even keel through the losing streaks.
   35. JoeHova Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:27 PM (#3532052)
Ned's rep with young players is very solid. He obviously has his flaws but his few strengths can be identified.

Are you sure about that? I seem to remember him hanging Corey Hart out to dry several times. Also, he had to play Prince and Braun because they were forced on him by management. His job depended on playing those guys. However, in 2005 when Prince first came up (the best Brewer prospect in almost 20 years), he got 59 plate appearances despite being in the majors for more than 2 months. I have no doubt it would have been a similar story the next year if Overbay wasn't traded and Yost's hand wasn't forced.
   36. JoeHova Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:29 PM (#3532053)
One thing I always wonder is why more managers don't read "The Book" or its like, just out of a compulsive desire to improve the things they have control over.

The thing is, Yost did read The Book. It didn't stop him from having his dominant loogy intentionally walk Ryan Howard but pitch to Pat Burrell (when he was good) with the season on the line.
   37. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:40 PM (#3532061)
Zach:

I collaborated with John on that article. I provided that paragraph verbatim. (Chris Jaffe can affirm that for the posters of the world who seem to need everything in triplicate.)

The only reason I point this out is that John would be the first guy to make that clarification.

So if this makes me out to be an attention getter I apologize. I just think John wanted to get credit for his own material which was significant in its volume.
   38. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:43 PM (#3532065)
Davey Johnson.

He's got a new job working for us, and I don't think he's even interested in being a Major League manager any longer.
   39. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:45 PM (#3532066)
Joe:

As I wrote Ned cannot recognize talent.

But if you tell him who to play he will be supportive.
   40. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:45 PM (#3532067)
I just mention Davey because he fit the profile described.
   41. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:50 PM (#3532070)
I was interested in Hillman as well ... what about Lovullo?
   42. Hit by Pitch Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM (#3532072)
Should have promoted Gibby from bench coach. It would have been a better decison.
   43. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:52 PM (#3532074)
I have Joakim Soria on both my DMB team and my fantasy team. Should I trade them for peanuts now, or hope that someone will be impressed by sheer number of innings logged?
   44. zachtoma Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:56 PM (#3532076)
I love the Onion. Where else could you read stuff this wacky?

The best
...and also perpetually relevant
   45. ColonelTom Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:58 PM (#3532077)
The thing is, Yost did read The Book. It didn't stop him from having his dominant loogy intentionally walk Ryan Howard but pitch to Pat Burrell (when he was good) with the season on the line.

That game was the first thing I thought of when I saw the news today. My post from the day Yost was fired by the Brewers:
Yost sealed his fate in the top of the 8th inning of Sunday's first game against the Phils.

Mota starts the inning against the righty Werth and gives up a single. Next move is obvious and Yost makes it, going to LOOGY Brian Shouse to face Utley and Howard. He gets Utley (sacrifice bunt, Werth to third). With one out, you either go after Howard and hope for the strikeout - not a bad option with an excellent LOOGY on the mound - or walk him and bring in a righty to face Pat Burrell.

The problems for Yost begin with who's up in the pen - Eric Gagne (6.41 ERA, 11 HR in 39.1 IP). Gagne's not likely to get you a ground ball, his control's been awful (21 BB in 39.1 IP), and given what happens next, obviously Yost doesn't trust him. WHY HAVE HIM UP? Where's Salomon Torres (rested for the last 3 days)? Hell, where's Seth McClung (1 inning the previous game; 3 days off before that)?

After walking Howard, Yost leaves Shouse (career .845 OPS vs RHB, .589 vs LHB) in the game to face Burrell. The Phils announcers are STUNNED. Shouse is a low-ball pitcher in addition to being a lefty, and Burrell loves the low pitches. I turn to my wife and say, "This is the kind of thing that gets managers fired." Burrell gets a low pitch and laces it to right for an RBI single - 4-3 Phils.

Next up, Shane Victorino (switch-hitter) - another bad matchup for Shouse. Victorino crushes a ball into the seats for a 3-run HR - 7-3 Phils.

Shouse is still in the game, and the Phils send Pedro Feliz up to bat for the lefty Greg Dobbs. Manuel obviously won't pinch-hit again for Feliz, who will be the defensive replacement at 3B. Yost leaves Shouse in anyway, and Feliz singles. FINALLY Yost comes out and gets Shouse, bringing in Gagne.

Yost was fired because management decided they couldn't afford any more stupid tactical mistakes down the stretch. The tactical stupidity was so bad it outweighed the psychological impact on the team of firing the manager in the last weeks of a playoff run. I don't blame them for doing it.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
   46. Arthur Pewty Posted: May 13, 2010 at 10:59 PM (#3532078)
It seems that if Moore is missing the point, so too are the people analyzing this move as if it matters. This is more a favor to Hillman than anything else. And as someone said, it might keep team morale from falling apart completely. The team is almost certain to improve over the rest of the year by default.

Oh yeah, and this just in: Current Brewers bullpen burned out in May by a manager who's not Ned Yost.
   47. WillYoung Posted: May 13, 2010 at 11:22 PM (#3532089)
Rick Anderson - Twins are always the best at throwing strikes, which we need to develop here with our pitchers


No, no, no. The Royals should try to emulate the Twins as a smallmarket AL Central team, so they (or any other team with an opening) should really hire Scott Ullger away. He's just like Gardy (former crappy middle infielder turned respected minor league manager turned big league third base coach) so please, oh please hire him away. Please!
   48. Greg Franklin Posted: May 14, 2010 at 12:11 AM (#3532144)
Just pinging because on a personal level I'm disappointed to learn he couldn't apply
Kansas City was his first Major League managerial assignment after spending five seasons (2003-2007) with the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters in Japan’s Pacific League, highlighted by three post-season appearances.
to the American major leagues. That's more of a resume than most first-time MLB managers have, or ever earn.
   49. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 14, 2010 at 12:18 AM (#3532152)
Can someone please come in and make the Pirates...at least competent? (**)


Did you just fall through a time tunnel from 2007 or something?
   50. Roger Cedeno's Spleen Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:21 AM (#3532227)
Out of the frying pan, into the volcano...
   51. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:33 AM (#3532256)

Ned Yost is one stubborn son of a b*tch. Part of me admires his commitment to his beliefs but J*sus H Chr*st doing the same d*mn thing over with the same dumb results is pretty maddening.


That is a marked change from Trey, who seemed to change his philosophy from week to week.

I guess I like that Yost was at best, good at handling/developing handling young players, and at worst, didn't get in the way enough to still manage them to become a winning team. If the Royals have to fire him two weeks before winning the division title, that would be a huge improvement.

He burns out the pen - but every fanbase in America hates the way their manager handles the pen.

My guess is Yost isn't that great of a manager, but isn't that bad either. So it probably doesn't matter until Dayton gets better players Dayton is fired.
   52. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:38 AM (#3532261)
On Hillman:

I really did read articles that he espoused Earl Weaver-baseball, playing for the big-inning, not giving up outs. He went to Japan, which is of course, a bunt-happy league, and with smaller, less powerful ballplayers, I think he felt he had to adapt to his personnel. He went to KC, saw he didn't have any boppers (or many good hitters at all) and probably felt he needed to play Japan-ball in KC. And of course, its teams like the Royals that can least afford to give away outs.

I think if he were to take over a team with good personnel, he would probably go back to playing for the big inning. But I also doubt his ability to keep a clubhouse in line. He couldn't even seem to tame guys like Jose Guillen, and caved pretty quickly to Miguel Olivo and Rick Ankiel when they complained about playing time/position. I can't imagine him running a team with actual superstars.
   53. Textbook Editor Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:56 AM (#3532282)
I watched that Phillies-Brewers game. Stunned isn't the right word for how the Philly announcers sounded.

There should be a list of the managerial retreads and it should be posted in GM offices everywhere. Ned Yost is on the list. Who else?
   54. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: May 14, 2010 at 02:12 AM (#3532296)
Grady Little.
   55. CFBF Is The Victim of Unfathomable Pinheadery Posted: May 14, 2010 at 02:21 AM (#3532299)
Utley was bunting?
   56. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 14, 2010 at 02:33 AM (#3532306)
He burns out the pen - but every fanbase in America hates the way their manager handles the pen.


And to be honest, it's not like the Royals have much of a pen to mismanange at this point anyway.
   57. Steve N Posted: May 14, 2010 at 02:38 AM (#3532308)
I was amazed toi see that the Royalshad 3 managers with worse records than Hillman.
   58. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: May 14, 2010 at 03:10 AM (#3532342)
Are you a retread if you've only held one other major league job? retreads are Buddy Bell (who held two jobs before KC)

and today's a positive day. Only a few more years until Dayton pulls a JD and brings back McRae, before getting fired midseason
   59. DL from MN Posted: May 14, 2010 at 03:24 AM (#3532357)
every fanbase in America hates the way their manager handles the pen


Not me. The Twins have been so good at it for so long I rarely question any bullpen moves they make. If I don't understand it they almost always know more than me (injury, fatigue, out late drinking, etc).
   60. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: May 14, 2010 at 03:46 AM (#3532379)
Not me. The Twins have been so good at it for so long I rarely question any bullpen moves they make.


Feel the same way about Terry Francona.
   61. Zach Posted: May 14, 2010 at 07:04 AM (#3532434)
Zach:

I collaborated with John on that article. I provided that paragraph verbatim.


Best regards to you too, then. It's a great line.
   62. jwb Posted: May 14, 2010 at 07:17 AM (#3532436)
I have learned three things from this thread:
1. Ned Yost might be good at something.
2. What Yost might be good at, developing young players, may be a useful skill for KC over the next few years.
3. Brattain and Harveys collaborated in the past. This increases my respect for both of them.

If I were to find three useful pieces of information per thread, I would be a smarter primate. Thank you.
   63. larkin4HoF Posted: May 14, 2010 at 10:49 AM (#3532449)
I collaborated with John on that article. I provided that paragraph verbatim. (Chris Jaffe can affirm that for the posters of the world who seem to need everything in triplicate.)


Harveys, I thought that sounded like you. The fubbiest post i ever read on here was your comparison of a Ned Yost mound meeting to a scene from a Marx Brothers movie. I actually checked this tread just to see if anyone would repost it.
   64. Dolf Lucky Posted: May 14, 2010 at 12:59 PM (#3532482)
Don't despair KC fans: Dusty ought to be available for 2011.
   65. Craig in MN Posted: May 14, 2010 at 03:02 PM (#3532597)
They should have traded for Mike Sweeney and made him player/manager.
   66. bobm Posted: May 15, 2010 at 05:21 AM (#3533434)
[20]
(Maybe some young sabermetrician will research how many MGRs flame out in their first job, and nevertheless put together decent records when they geta nother chance.)


Just for fun...selected managers, ranked by WPCT of 1st job


Name           G-1st WPCT-1st G-Rest WPCT-Rest
Bobby Cox        590 0.451     3,790 0.571
Miller Huggins   774 0.447     1,796 0.594
Terry Francona   648 0.440     1,007 0.579
Ed Barrow        221 0.439       418 0.510
Chuck Dressen    498 0.430       462 0.645
Gil Hodges       765 0.420       649 0.522
Joe Torre        709 0.403     3,492 0.568
Burt Shotton     923 0.401       546 0.599
Fred Hutchinson  396 0.391     1,270 0.531
Jake Stahl       305 0.390       235 0.613
Larry Bowa       208 0.389       645 0.522
Don Zimmer       304 0.375     1,440 0.535
Hank Bauer       102 0.343       875 0.557
Whitey Herzog    138 0.341     2,271 0.543
Wilbert Robinson  83 0.289     2,736 0.503
   67. Athletic Supporter wants to move your money around Posted: May 15, 2010 at 06:04 AM (#3533444)
If there is an effect, it could be a function of the fact (if this is true) that top teams don't generally hire green managers.

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