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Tuesday, June 18, 2019

Royals’ Martin Maldonado wore a tie on his catching gear during Father’s Day game

Rule 3.03(c) of the Major League Baseball rulebook states: “No player whose uniform does not conform to that of his teammates shall be permitted to participate in a game.”

So technically, Royals catcher Martin Maldonado shouldn’t have been allowed to wear a tie* during Sunday’s game against the Minnesota Twins at Target Field.

*Yeah, a tie ... a clip-on, no less

But, c’mon, this was a cool way to commemorate Father’s Day. And, it’s probably never been done in the history of baseball.

Zach Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:55 AM | 59 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: father's day, martin maldonado, royals, rule 3.03c, uniforms

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   1. Rally Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:03 AM (#5853083)
I'm sure some players from the 1800s wore bow ties.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:29 AM (#5853086)
Very cool.
   3. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:42 AM (#5853088)
No other Royals players wore a tie, but no other Royals player wore a chest protector or shinguards either.
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 18, 2019 at 09:43 AM (#5853089)
The chest protector already doesn't conform, since none of his teammates are wearing one.
   5. salvomania Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:33 AM (#5853099)
No player whose uniform

I wouldn't call a chest protector a "uniform," it's special equipment worn over the uniform while catching, similar to how some players wear a pad over their forearms or their shins while batting.
   6. PreservedFish Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:44 AM (#5853100)
Exactly. Just like a clip-on tie.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:46 AM (#5853102)
I remember that there were a couple coaches in the NFL that wanted to wear ties and blazers for one game, and it took something like months or years of negotiation to get approval.
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:53 AM (#5853104)
I remember that there were a couple coaches in the NFL that wanted to wear ties and blazers for one game, and it took something like months or years of negotiation to get approval.

It should be mandatory. All these middle aged men in workout clothes look ridiculous.

Connie Mack knew the score.
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:38 AM (#5853119)
Snapper, are you in the George Will "adult men shouldn't ever wear dungarees" crew?
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5853121)
"A Don doesn't wear shorts."
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM (#5853124)
Snapper, are you in the George Will "adult men shouldn't ever wear dungarees" crew?

No. I find them less comfortable than cotton pants, but they're fine for very casual occasions. Adult men probably shouldn't wear jeans to work, unless they work in construction, or a factory.
   12. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 18, 2019 at 12:22 PM (#5853129)
11--I am just glad the analytics team shows up wearing pants or something equivalent for the below the waist area. They are here to work complex problems not for fashion.
   13. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5853130)
Elias Diaz also wore a tie for Father's Day.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 12:31 PM (#5853132)
11--I am just glad the analytics team shows up wearing pants or something equivalent for the below the waist area. They are here to work complex problems not for fashion.

I still believe that how you dress and otherwise comport yourself at work impacts your productivity.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 18, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5853137)
Adult men probably shouldn't wear jeans to work, unless they work in construction, or a factory ... I still believe that how you dress and otherwise comport yourself at work impacts your productivity.
Huh. And yet here I sit in my office in jeans, somehow getting work done. I suppose maybe if I were wearing dress pants I might never post here during work hours, but nah, I doubt there's any causality there.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 12:51 PM (#5853147)
Huh. And yet here I sit in my office in jeans, somehow getting work done. I suppose maybe if I were wearing dress pants I might never post here during work hours, but nah, I doubt there's any causality there.

My general observation from personal experience is that productivity suffers when you make things more casual. That doesn't mean no work gets done.

Also, most middle aged men I see on the train in jeans look ridiculous. Maybe you don't. Please tell me you don't wear stretchy jeans? But in general, a 50 y.o. trying to look 30 with jeans and a T-shirt and spiky hair is just sad.

I still have no idea why people like jeans so much. They're thicker and stiffer than normal pants, making them hotter and less comfortable, unless it's cold and you're outdoors.
   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:02 PM (#5853156)
Also, most middle aged men I see on the train in jeans look ridiculous.
There may be just a smidge of your own bias there.

Maybe you don't. Please tell me you don't wear stretchy jeans?
I'm sure I look ridiculous in any number of ways on any given day, but wearing (non-stretchy, but not loose-fitting) jeans isn't one of them.

But in general, a 50 y.o. trying to look 30 with jeans and a T-shirt and spiky hair is just sad.
Sure, but you're moving the goalposts here. People who are desperately and transparently trying to look like they're 20 years younger through a variety of ways are indeed (usually) pretty sad. But just wearing jeans by itself only connotes "trying to look younger" to people such as yourself who haven't accepted that wearing jeans is a normal thing middle-aged men do in 2019. Most of the partners at our firm tend to wear jeans unless something specific in their day demands otherwise.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:09 PM (#5853160)
Sure, but you're moving the goalposts here. People who are desperately and transparently trying to look like they're 20 years younger through a variety of ways are indeed (usually) pretty sad. But just wearing jeans by itself only connotes "trying to look younger" to people such as yourself who haven't accepted that wearing jeans is a normal thing middle-aged men do in 2019. Most of the partners at our firm tend to wear jeans unless something specific in their day demands otherwise.

That's the majority of jeans wearers I see on my commuter train. The norm is that unless you're actively trying to look young and hip to fit in to your industry, you wear cotton dockers and a polo shirt.
   19. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:17 PM (#5853166)
WTF is a polo shirt?
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:18 PM (#5853168)
I thought the tie went to the runner.
   21. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5853171)
20--Ok, that's legit funny
   22. JJ1986 Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:23 PM (#5853173)
Is it okay to wear a t-shirt and nice pants to work?
   23. Tin Angel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:34 PM (#5853183)
The norm is that unless you're actively trying to look young and hip to fit in to your industry, you wear cotton dockers and a polo shirt.


Who says this is the norm and why do you choose to believe it? I'm working in downtown in SF and walking around, and riding the train to work, I didn't see a single person in dockers and a polo shirt. Maybe....you should lighten up and realize what you believe to be "the norm" is something you created in your head so you can feel safe.
   24. Blastin Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:35 PM (#5853185)
I still have no idea why people like jeans so much. They're thicker and stiffer than normal pants, making them hotter and less comfortable, unless it's cold and you're outdoors.


My god I agree with snapper oh my god.

Oh my god.

I wear workout clothes every day. When I work out. Or sometimes walking my dog. If I'm going to interact, no (unless we're playing softball). My coworker pushes the casual line constantly and he looks awful and slovenly. And I hate the tech hoodie billionaire thing.

I am a weird, old-young man on this one specific issue.

However I'd never criticize someone for this.

I also think being black is part of this (for me, not snapper) - I know if I dressed super casual it might have worse results for how I'm viewed than it would for a white guy.
   25. Nasty Nate Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:41 PM (#5853187)
I don't think jeans and workout clothes are in the same category.
   26. Rally Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:41 PM (#5853188)
I'm getting old now and still wear jeans most of the time. Wear them to work on casual Fridays and most of the days when I'm not working. If I do things to look or feel younger, that's not one of them. I just wear jeans because I always have. Maybe its a generational thing. Maybe if I grew up 20 years earlier I'd see wearing jeans as something the young folks do. For my generation (X) I think it's just something we do.

Connie Mack knew the score.


I don't know why wearing the uniform is standard in baseball for coaches and managers when it definitely is not for other sports. If we saw Steve Kerr and Nick Nurse on the sidelines with shorts and sleeveless shirts, we would think it was very strange.
   27. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:46 PM (#5853191)
I work from home. I once went through a meeting of my little working group while only wearing a towel, after a snafu regrading scheduling and time zones.
   28. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:51 PM (#5853194)
There are lots of men's pants now that are "jeans-y", as in they have a jeans-like cut and are fairly casual, but aren't made of denim and so generally look somewhat less casual than jeans. These are a fine compromise for the aging dude.

So much of how a guy's dress comes across depend on the quality of the clothes and the dude's posture and physique and general grooming. It's not uncommon to see a person who looks more together and elegant in a jeans and t-shirt than another would in a suit.
   29. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:53 PM (#5853196)
   30. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:58 PM (#5853201)
So much of how a guy's dress comes across depend on the quality of the clothes and the dude's posture and physique and general grooming. It's not uncommon to see a person who looks more together and elegant in a jeans and t-shirt than another would in a suit.


This. Give me a decent pair of well fitting jeans over cheaper dockers any day. Stretchy jeans are great, they are better fitting and more comfortable than pretty much all other pants outside of good dress pants.
   31. caspian88 Posted: June 18, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5853206)
I wonder if the history of player-managers in baseball (I don't know if the other major North American team sports had player-managers) has something to do with managers wearing the same uniforms as the players.
   32. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: June 18, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5853207)
The freedom to dress as I please is one of the things I like most about my job. Jeans are the most formal thing I ever wear to work.
   33. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: June 18, 2019 at 02:15 PM (#5853213)
I wonder if the history of player-managers in baseball (I don't know if the other major North American team sports had player-managers) has something to do with managers wearing the same uniforms as the players.


I have always heard it said the baseball managers wear uniforms because part of their defined role involves going onto the field of play - 1st/3rd base coaches and mound visits basically. Coaches from other sports are constrained to the sidelines, other than an injury. Time outs can get a little blurry, but I believe coaches are allowed out on the floor/field more as a courtesy, refs could strictly enforce coaches staying off the field if they wanted to.
   34. How can it be QPQ if Zonk Says it isn't a QPQ? Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:15 PM (#5853244)
Reason #438 telecommuting is awesome.... I am currently working and doing it in boxers and a t shirt. I am even managing this while talking to someone I suspect is wearing a tie.... and he just said he defers to my judgement on a prioritization question.

I am a fan of the modern world.
   35. RoyalFlush Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:29 PM (#5853251)
This. Give me a decent pair of well fitting jeans over cheaper dockers any day. Stretchy jeans are great, they are better fitting and more comfortable than pretty much all other pants outside of good dress pants.


This. I feel like people think they're "dressing up" when they're wearing a $20 pair of dockers, but somehow I'm a slob because my (more expensive) pants are denim. Even though that denim pair of pants had many more options of cuts allowing me to get a pair that fits correctly*.

*And "fit" is a binary state. Either your clothes fit - or they don't. And if they don't - the material doesn't help.
   36. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:32 PM (#5853253)
I still have no idea why people like jeans so much. They're thicker and stiffer than normal pants, making them hotter and less comfortable, unless it's cold and you're outdoors.


Well, I think you've got a lot of people who just default to wearing them, but there's also a pretty decently sized denim culture out there that nerds out over denim the way we geek out over baseball.

I can appreciate how well and interestingly "raw" denim items age, but it's not really for me in terms of personal wardrobe. I do wear jeans most of the time, but they're almost always black. They also always have some "stretch" in the fabric composition, which is not to be confused with skinny jeans. Most jeans you find now aren't 100-percent cotton and come in an array of cuts; I'm partial to tapered cuts myself, which is a nice middle ground between dad jeans and painted-on skinny jeans.
   37. Rusty Priske Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:38 PM (#5853255)
I have never found a pair of pants as comfortable as a good, well-worn, pair of jeans.

I don't wear them to work Mon-Thurs, but Friday (a hold over from 'casual day', even though every day is 'casual day'), Saturday, and Sunday are always jeans days.
   38. Rusty Priske Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:38 PM (#5853257)
Oh, and since there is an age question here - I am 51.
   39. Hysterical & Useless Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:39 PM (#5853258)
From 2009-2016 (when I retired) my job was based out in Connecticut, and I could wear jeans to work. So I did, because I dislike wearing pants* that I feel guilty wiping my hands on.

I'm comfortable wearing jeans. Maybe others think I look "ridiculous" or that I'm "trying to look young," but if I were at all serious about looking young I'd shave my beard and get a wig. That would be much more effective.


*I would've stopped right there out of respect for Smitty* but I was discussing work attire, and the pants-less look just wasn't an option.
   40. Hysterical & Useless Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:41 PM (#5853260)
Oh, and since there is an age question here - I am 51.

Whipper-snapper!
   41. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:43 PM (#5853263)
Honestly, the only time I think a middle-aged or older guy looks like he's trying to be young by wearing jeans is if it's an unflattering cut and/or has ridiculous (pretty much any) back pocket designs.
   42. Eddo Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5853265)
The norm is that unless you're actively trying to look young and hip to fit in to your industry, you wear cotton dockers and a polo shirt.


This seems wildly outdated, but not just in a casual sense. The norm I see working in downtown Chicago is either people wearing jeans or people wearing proper slacks and dress shirts. The polo-and-dockers look is just not that fashionable any more, as far as I can tell.

------

I feel like people think they're "dressing up" when they're wearing a $20 pair of dockers, but somehow I'm a slob because my (more expensive) pants are denim. Even though that denim pair of pants had many more options of cuts allowing me to get a pair that fits correctly*.

*And "fit" is a binary state. Either your clothes fit - or they don't. And if they don't - the material doesn't help.


Bingo. I always feel more slovenly when I wear docker-type pants; jeans (or actual dress slacks) seem to come in more cuts and allow me to select a better fit for me.
   43. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:52 PM (#5853267)
I still have no idea why people like jeans so much. They're thicker and stiffer than normal pants,


Wait, what are these "normal pants" that you're contrasting with jeans?



Edit: Also, Maldonado's tie was awesome.
   44. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:59 PM (#5853270)
This seems wildly outdated, but not just in a casual sense. The norm I see working in downtown Chicago is either people wearing jeans or people wearing proper slacks and dress shirts. The polo-and-dockers look is just not that fashionable any more, as far as I can tell.
Seconded, at least w/r/t downtown Chicago.
   45. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: June 18, 2019 at 04:08 PM (#5853273)
I'm gonna put this out there: Polo shirts, by and large, are unflattering on most guys. They look best worn "fitted" and that's just not something a lot of guys can get away with. They're unforgiving if you've got some belly fat, or god help you, moobs, in a way that most t-shirts or button-front shirts aren't. Trying to work around the problem by going up a size just leads to to this shapeless mess of pique cotton floating around your torso.

   46. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: June 18, 2019 at 04:12 PM (#5853275)
I haven't worn a polo-type shirt, or any other form of pullover, in something like 3 decades, which covers a wide range of abdominal sizes. Just don't like them.

For that matter, I can't stand to wear short-sleeved shirts, period, except for T-shirts. I have no idea why.
   47. The Honorable Ardo Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:51 PM (#5853444)
Polo shirts, by and large, are unflattering on most guys.

Agreed. My polo shirts are for the golf course only. Shirt and tie for me; I have a half-dozen fine Italian ties (long story involving my ex's family), so why let them collect dust? Of course, they pair with dress slacks. Jeans are weekend/no major plans wear.
   48. Howie Menckel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 11:19 PM (#5853451)
My god I agree with snapper oh my god.

I love this because I have met both Blastin and snapper and very much enjoyed my time with both.

Hysterical etc, too - and I will say that he's quite slim for his age. he can rock the jeans - ok, he can DO the jeans.
:)

reluctantly concede on polos. 6-foot, 205 is not SO bad, but by late 50s, that's too much. there must be a sliding scale, roughly, on who can wear a polo well at what height/weight ratio.

am trying to get back on "that" scale these days

but for now, am much better off with a casual sports jacket, button down shirt, and slacks. either I can pull it off, or I THINK I can - which is half the battle!
   49. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 19, 2019 at 12:08 AM (#5853465)
Have to agree with the guys who favour jeans. I don't think Snapper has bought a pair of jean in like 30 years. The nice ones you get today fit really well, come in a bazillion different cuts and sizes and are made much better then a pair of Dockers. Polo shirts are for tossers who can't find another collared shirt. Get a proper button down shirt with a collar and a decent pair of nice jeans and you're good to go from anything to casual on up to reasonably nice. AND NO F*CKING SNEAKERS WITH JEANS! Dear most people, wear some decent shoes when you are in public(unless at the beach or something). Jeans and sneakers is an unforgettable blight on fashion.

You can always spot the Americans in the international transit lounges, they are the ones with the sneakers(mostly white), ill fitting Levi's and an even more ill fitting polo shirt with bent collar.
   50. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: June 19, 2019 at 12:29 AM (#5853469)
I really don't understand why anyone cares how anyone else dresses. What's it matter to you if I go around in mesh shorts, a stained t-shirt and worn out sneakers?
   51. Howie Menckel Posted: June 19, 2019 at 12:33 AM (#5853471)
I really don't understand why anyone cares how anyone else dresses. What's it matter to you if I go around in mesh shorts, a stained t-shirt and worn out sneakers?

if you are happily married or happily single, and are an inventor and CEO of a major, lucrative internet brand - yes, I see no downside (unless you want to grow to an even bigger company).

that doesn't nullify the first sentence, though. more like, it sets some terms of engagement.

there's the world we wish for, and the world that is. not sure which angle you are pursuing (but I understand both).
   52. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: June 19, 2019 at 01:36 AM (#5853480)
I understand potential sexual partners caring, and I understand potential bosses/business connections caring (though I'm not convinced that they SHOULD care).

What I don't get is someone caring what kind of shoes/pants/whatever some random stranger wears. Discussions like these make me grateful to exist mostly in a world where the guy in the suit is much more likely to he mocked than the guy in sweatpants and a hoodie (though, again, I see no reason to judge the guy in the suit either).
   53. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: June 19, 2019 at 03:15 AM (#5853484)
In the office many of the people around me wear jeans and button-down shirts, but as an external consultant, I stick with the suit & no tie approach, though on hot days I might just leave the jacket at home. I'm 39, and jeans with T-shirts are still my default outside of the office, but I'll probably be moving to more button-downs in the next decade. Dark jeans and a dark colored collared shirt works well for me, Uniqlo had some inexpensive options for shirts.

I do go for 15-20 mile walks quite often on the weekend, and if the weather's not too warm, I'll tend to wear the dreaded jeans and sneakers combo. But then, I live in Germany, which still has startling numbers of socks-and-sandals wearers, so my fashion sense is already in net credit by comparison.
   54. Lindor Truffles Posted: June 19, 2019 at 04:29 AM (#5853485)
The hell is ‘downtown’ Chicago?
   55. Esoteric Posted: June 19, 2019 at 06:59 AM (#5853489)
Presumably refers to the Loop and River North. I live here, and that's certainly what I think of as "downtown Chicago."

The West Loop, for example, is adjacent to downtown Chicago, but it isn't really downtown Chicago. Downtown Chicago for me is skyscraperland. It's where the monumental architecture is.
   56. PreservedFish Posted: June 19, 2019 at 07:27 AM (#5853490)
I almost always wear work pants - Ben Davis, Dickies, Carhartt - they last forever and depending on how worn/baggy/stained a certain pair is, whether or not they have hammer loops and such, can even pass for "nice" pants as well as or better than jeans. This started as a chef thing, as an upscale alternative to the traditional pajama-like chef's pants. When I hung out with hipster friends they were still appropriate, and even when I transitioned to a job that found me cooking greasy food in the morning and attending executive meetings in the afternoon, they remained appropriate. Then I moved to a small town, and they're ubiquitous here, and so have remained appropriate. I've never had a true office job in my life, but I imagine they'd be OK in most settings. Highly recommended!

Why Dickies Are Suddenly the Hottest Pants in the World.
   57. Dr. Vaux Posted: June 19, 2019 at 10:03 AM (#5853510)
I've had multiple students and a department chair recently tell me that they appreciate my always wearing a tie and sport coat to work. No one else does at either place where I currently teach. I do it mostly because I like how it looks, but the reason they've given--that it connotes respect for those who hope to get something out of their interactions with me, and that I take that responsibility seriously--is additional incentive. Another reason I like ties, in particular, is that they're an additional way of adding personality to an outfit. The patterns we put on ties are more fun than the ones we put on shirts, and there aren't any at all on pants (even jeans, and of course, part, though only part, of the reason I never wear jeans is that people don't wear ties with jeans). I guess there are men's paisley pants, and in an academic environment I could get away with wearing them, but somehow I prefer ties. (And a well put-together outfit usually only has one patterned item.) The button-up shirt and sport coat look is also much more fun if you generally avoid white or blue shirts, which I do.
   58. SoSH U at work Posted: June 19, 2019 at 10:18 AM (#5853514)
I'm eternally a member of Team Smitty.

   59. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 19, 2019 at 10:22 AM (#5853515)
I almost never wear jeans anymore. I don't find them comfortable and they are heavy and hot in the summer. When I go to work, I wear khakis of some sort and a button down shirt. If I telecommute, I am usually in work out pants. I haven't worn a suit to work in 20 years.

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