Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Royals Review: The Royals Are Fine With Bunting To Oblivion

Bunting To Oblivian…pretty sure The Styrofoam Drone blog just gave them a smasheroo review.

This Royals team… I tell you… Every day it’s something new.

On Tuesday, it was Nervous Ned Yost explaining why he’s OK with Alcides Escobar bunting Alex Gordon over from first with nobody out in the first inning.

...Yost: “Do you know what our record is when we score first?” (It’s 38-16.) “That’s why I don’t have a problem with it.”

Good grief. It’s as if they’re running a 386 PC with Prodigy dialup service at One Royal Way. Yost’s comment is just so hollow… But it’s just another day at the office for Dayton Moore and his crew. Sadly, this is what we’ve come to expect from the Royals Brain Trust.

This was posted as a FanShot, but it deserves much more than that. So much more.

...This all leads me to the insanity that is bunting in the first inning because it allegedly sets up a run and the Royals record is so gosh-darn good when scoring first. Yosty is giving us a split. A meaningless nugget that tells us absolutely nothing. Most teams win games when they score first. That’s the Win Expectancy model I discussed above. To cite the Royals record when scoring first is just like when they were talking about juggling the rotation to start Brian Bannister in day games or some such nonsense. Splits are fun (at least to me) but by no means are they something you should build game strategy around.

Because in baseball, it really doesn’t matter who scores first. What matters is who scores most. And the best way to ensure you score the most runs is to value your outs.

The Royals don’t understand the value of the out. That’s why they win 43 percent of their games.

Repoz Posted: August 15, 2012 at 09:25 AM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: royals, sabermetrics

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: August 15, 2012 at 09:39 AM (#4208616)
Maybe they should have Billy Butler bunt more with men on base because he grounds into so many double plays...
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:08 AM (#4208666)
Homer: There’s not a single bear in sight—the ‘Bear Patrol’ is working like a charm.
Lisa: That’s specious logic dad.
Homer: Thank you honey.
Lisa: According to your logic, this rock is keeping tigers away.
Homer: Hmmm, how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn’t.
Homer: How so?
Lisa: Its just a rock, but I don’t see any tigers anywhere.
Homer: Lisa, I’d like to buy your rock.
   3. Dale Sams Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM (#4208673)
Good grief. It’s as if they’re running a 386 PC with Prodigy dialup service

   4. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM (#4208686)
...Yost: “Do you know what our record is when we score first?” (It’s 38-16.) “That’s why I don’t have a problem with it.”

Wow. This is pretty retarded.

This like the splits that say "The Yankees are 18-8 when ARod hits a home run." (So all we need to do is to have ARod hit a home run!")

Except it's worse than that.

I would imagine that the reason the "score first" splits tend to be favorable are:

1. You know you've scored, which is better than not scoring.
2. You know you've scored at least one run - and maybe multiple runs.
3. It was probably early in the game, which meant you had several more innings to add on runs.
4. Or maybe it was late in the game, which meant that you probably only had to keep the opponent off the boards for a few more innings.
5. Your opponent may not have scored.

The biggest flaw in Yost's thought process centers on item 2. When you've "scored first," that may well have been more than one run. But Yost's "bunt to score first" strategy likely caps a big inning, which means that he may have only gotten the one run. In general when you've "scored first" you haven't limited your chance for multiple runs, so you may have gotten multiple runs.

The goal is to score more than your opponent after 9 innings, not to "score first."
   5. Don Malcolm Posted: August 15, 2012 at 11:26 AM (#4208689)
Beautiful re-enactment of rhetoric from BP circa 1998. While Ned is clearly spouting nonsense, the stats show that he's not employing the mouthfoam-inducing SH any more often than any AL manager.

The reason why the Royals are winning 43% of their games has very little to do with how many SH they employ. It has more to do with the fact that since 1996, they've had exactly one team whose RA/ERA ranked in the first half of the league. "Scoring most" also involves "allowing least."
   6. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: August 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4208727)
Yeah, I was gonna say that the reason the Royals are bad is because they have bad players.
   7. A triple short of the cycle Posted: August 15, 2012 at 05:44 PM (#4209111)
Yeah someone should ask the guy what his team's record is when they score the first TWO runs of the game. That should be something he can understand.

EDIT: maybe this never happens.
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 15, 2012 at 06:27 PM (#4209162)
#5, the Royals pitching has been bad historically, but this year they are near the bottom of the leagur in runs scored too.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.



<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF


Thanks to
Chicago Joe
for his generous support.


You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOT - November* 2015 College Football thread
(1186 - 1:37am, Nov 29)
Last: AuntBea

(1015 - 1:27am, Nov 29)
Last: Orange Julius Is a Synonym for Evil

NewsblogOT: Monthly NBA Thread - November 2015
(1322 - 1:21am, Nov 29)
Last: theboyqueen

NewsblogDavid Price would be right move for Red Sox - The Boston Globe
(6 - 1:10am, Nov 29)
Last: Mark Armour

NewsblogOt: 2015-2016 NHL Thread
(21 - 12:44am, Nov 29)
Last: PASTE Transcends Almost All Generations (Zeth)

NewsblogNew York Mets prospects Dominic Smith and Gavin Cecchini bounced back in big ways in 2015 |
(5 - 11:28pm, Nov 28)
Last: PreservedFish

NewsblogMLB to investigate Dodgers' Yasiel Puig for role in reported fight - LA Times
(52 - 10:29pm, Nov 28)
Last: Adam Starblind

NewsblogHow Colby Rasmus' big contract played a role in trading Jed Lowrie - Houston Chronicle
(30 - 10:28pm, Nov 28)
Last: JJ1986

NewsblogRoyals: Making Contact and Winning Championships
(14 - 10:20pm, Nov 28)
Last: cardsfanboy

NewsblogWhat awaits in negotiations for Major League Baseball's next labor deal?
(37 - 9:59pm, Nov 28)
Last: snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster)

NewsblogComcast takes shot at Yankees in dispute as cable operator says not many folks watching the games on YES
(18 - 9:28pm, Nov 28)
Last: bobm

NewsblogRod Carew opens up about his private life and his near-death experience
(73 - 9:11pm, Nov 28)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogChris Davis and the 'hometown discount' - Baltimore Sun
(10 - 8:39pm, Nov 28)
Last: Walt Davis

NewsblogWhy did Braves trade Andrelton Simmons? | Atlanta Braves blog
(38 - 6:47pm, Nov 28)
Last: Rickey! something like a pipe-bomb ready to blow

NewsblogAlex Gordon a Value Buy in Free Agency | FanGraphs Baseball
(27 - 5:19pm, Nov 28)
Last: Harveys Wallbangers

Page rendered in 0.1402 seconds
47 querie(s) executed